Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

[muhammad_isa]

So a husband wants sex but his wife doesn't want to, but he disregards this etc.

Look .. if a man and woman no longer get on and they abuse each other,
they need to separate .. not try to get their partner's head chopped off !

As I have already said numerous times, if a man causes his wife serious harm,
he should be prosecuted.

I accept that I live in a society where marriage is no longer valued .. I didn't
value it myself when I was younger. I realise now the consequences of this.
We now live in a society where men are often superfluous to requirements.

They get "kicked out", and nobody cares.

Females exercise mate choice, rejecting unwanted and unfit males by cannibalizing them..
...
Female orb-web spiders (Nephilengys livida) tend to cannibalize males displaying less aggressive behavior and mate with males displaying more aggressive behavior, showing a preference for this trait, which, along with large body size that indicates a strong foraging ability, displays high male quality and genetic advantage.
Sexual_cannibalism - Wikipedia

Muslims are civilised. We follow what G-d has ordained. We do not agree with being devoured by the female.
A good female is one who honours and obeys her husband.
Their offspring are blessed by G-d.

 

[muhammad_isa]

OK. If he forced her to have sex when she said no, he belongs in prison.

Nonsense.
If she does not want to have her husband in the same bed, then she should
terminate the marriage contract.

The values of modern society are self-destructive.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Your so- called "flood", though
of course you choose to pretend otherwise

Have you read any of @joelr's posts on disproving the Bible? He blows the authenticity of the Bible right out of the water.

 

[Koldo]

Nonsense.
If she does not want to have her husband in the same bed, then she should
terminate the marriage contract.

The values of modern society are self-destructive.

Are you actually saying that marital rape should not be a crime?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Are you actually saying that marital rape should not be a crime?

Yes.

 

[Audie]

Look .. if a man and woman no longer get on and they abuse each other,
they need to separate .. not try to get their partner's head chopped off !

As I have already said numerous times, if a man causes his wife serious harm,
he should be prosecuted.

I accept that I live in a society where marriage is no longer valued .. I didn't
value it myself when I was younger. I realise now the consequences of this.
We now live in a society where men are often superfluous to requirements.

They get "kicked out", and nobody cares.

Females exercise mate choice, rejecting unwanted and unfit males by cannibalizing them..
...
Female orb-web spiders (Nephilengys livida) tend to cannibalize males displaying less aggressive behavior and mate with males displaying more aggressive behavior, showing a preference for this trait, which, along with large body size that indicates a strong foraging ability, displays high male quality and genetic advantage.
Sexual_cannibalism - Wikipedia

Muslims are civilised. We follow what G-d has ordained. We do not agree with being devoured by the female.
A good female is one who honours and obeys her husband.
Their offspring are blessed by G-d.

The more you expose "islam" for what it is
the more I'm glad I live where the govt knows
what to do about such a " faith" within its borders.

 

[Koldo]

Yes.

Woah. Thanks for showing your true colors.
I am going to put you on ignore right now, and I recommend everyone on this forum to do the same.

Bye bye

 

[muhammad_isa]

Woah. Thanks for showing your true colors.
I am going to put you on ignore right now, and I recommend everyone on this forum to do the same.

Bye bye

You won't learn anything like that.
You will just wander blindly on with your preconceived values.

satan wants to cause division. It doesn't bring happiness.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Woah. Thanks for showing your true colors..

I have no reason to lie.
I do not agree with a situation where a man and woman lie together and produce children together,
and a woman wants to see their husband imprisoned for a sexual crime against her,
whilst still lying together in the same bed.

 

[F1fan]

Look .. if a man and woman no longer get on and they abuse each other,
they need to separate .. not try to get their partner's head chopped off !

See how you can't ever acknowledge that a husband could be the sole problem for raping his wife? You try to falsely claim the raped wife is somehow at fault.

As I have already said numerous times, if a man causes his wife serious harm,
he should be prosecuted.

You have minimized the severity of sexual assault on women as well. But not only that, anything less than "serious harm" is something you tolerate? How is ANY harm acceptable? Would you accept your daughter in a marriage where she is harmed in any way?

I accept that I live in a society where marriage is no longer valued ..

Your view of marriage doesn't value women except for how they serve men, so don't feel like you have lost anything. All through history marriage has had an ideal image that has often fallen short in real life. To you marriage is a license to have sex regrdless of what the wife wants.

I didn't
value it myself when I was younger. I realise now the consequences of this.
We now live in a society where men are often superfluous to requirements.

They get "kicked out", and nobody cares.

Then these men should grow up and be valued in ways that helps society. No one owes men anything.

Muslims are civilised.

Some are. Civilized means to conform to norms that are highly principled and practical. Humanism is an approach that values this. What you have presented is not acceptable in the first world, where you live. If Muslim men follow your approach and act on it, they could end up in prison. Blaming the wife for reporting harm is not civilized or responsible.

We follow what G-d has ordained.

You follow your decision that Islam offers a correct way to live life, which surely differs from other Muslims. That decision is yours, and is your responsbility if negative consequences follow from it.

We do not agree with being devoured by the female.

We aren't insects.

A good female is one who honours and obeys her husband.

And vise versa, as the usual marriage vows go. Why should only she be virtuous, and the man be allowed vice?

Their offspring are blessed by G-d.

Assuming a God exists outside of your imagination, and it's as you believe. Children can still die due to natural causes and accidents, so no guarantees.

 

[F1fan]

Nonsense.
If she does not want to have her husband in the same bed, then she should
terminate the marriage contract.

Do you have no respect for marriage at all? This is laughable. You love your wife so much that if she doesn't feel like sex you suggest she file for divorce? You'd rather break up the marriage (you referred to once as "holy matrimony") if she doesn't feel like sex. You prefer divorce rather than extend a little respect?

The values of modern society are self-destructive.

Really, which ones? How so?

 

[muhammad_isa]

We aren't insects..

Well, we shouldn't behave like them then.

I do not agree with a situation where a man and woman lie together and produce children together,
and a woman wants to see their husband imprisoned for a sexual crime against her,
whilst still lying together in the same bed.

 

[muhammad_isa]

This is laughable. You love your wife so much that if she doesn't feel like sex you suggest she file for divorce?

Oh ha ha .. how amusing.
I am saying that a woman should not be accusing her husband of a sexual crime, while lying in the marital bed.

 

[F1fan]

Well, we shouldn't behave like them then.

Then change your mind about marriable rape not being a crime.

I do not agree with a situation where a man and woman lie together and produce children together,
and a woman wants to see their husband imprisoned for a sexual crime against her,
whilst still lying together in the same bed.

Well that's what happens to criminal husbands. How about the husband not be a criminal? Did that ever occur to you?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Well that's what happens to criminal husbands..

No .. it isn't.
That's what happens when a woman commits treason against the father of her children.

 

[Audie]

You won't learn anything like that.
You will just wander blindly on with your preconceived values.

satan wants to cause division. It doesn't bring happiness.

Nothing more divisive than " islam".

 

[Audie]

No .. it isn't.
That's what happens when a woman commits treason against the father of her children.

Blame the victim.

Anyway off to ig city for you

 

[muhammad_isa]

Well that's what happens to criminal husbands..

You won't agree, because you are an atheist.

You think it is quite alright for a woman to be attracted to an aggressive man,
have sex with them, and then call the police when she has finished with him.

In Islamic law, sexual intercourse outside of marriage is illegal.
..but according to you, it is OK .. and we should bother the police to
sort it out when it goes wrong.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It is easy to justify one's personal morals but I'd like you to consider the world at large. Is the world becoming more moral or less moral?

And, does this have anything to do with the decline of religious belief?

Yes .. the world is becoming less moral.
..and it certainly DOES have something to do with the decline in religious belief.

We can see from the last 40 pages, that I am a single voice here defending
the institution of marriage, and explaining the evils of sex outside of marriage.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

..in a modern secular society, you are correct.
That is because society no longer holds these moral values.
It has lost its way, and time will show whether I'm right or not.
We already see the signs of a disintegrating society .. mass shootings .. climate change .. greed.

Before yearning for a theocracy, it's worth keeping something in mind: in a theocracy, you don't get to choose the religion that's imposed on you.