Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Marriage brings stability to a family. Most problems arise when that stability is broken.

No, marriage acknowledges the stability of the relationship.

People who try to use marriage to bring stability to a relationship that doesn't already havs it are setting themselves up for a very bad time.

In societies that don't have taboos around divorce, that's how the marriage is likely to end up. In societies where divorce isn't an option, they'll just end up in an unhappy relationship until they die (which is worse than divorce, IMO).

 

[muhammad_isa]

You're mistaken in thinking I'm an atheist. I am not an atheist, but I reject the biblical God and everything in the Bible. I used to be a Christian, but I now practice Wicca and spiritualism...

..so what "gods" do you believe in, then?

 

[Nakosis]

No, marriage acknowledges the stability of the relationship.

People who try to use marriage to bring stability to a relationship that doesn't already havs it are setting themselves up for a very bad time.

In societies that don't have taboos around divorce, that's how the marriage is likely to end up. In societies where divorce isn't an option, they'll just end up in an unhappy relationship until they die (which is worse than divorce, IMO).

Nothing is perfect. There are always exceptions.

 

[F1fan]

..but you are an atheist.
You do not judge by that which G-d reveals.

Thank God, as atheists are showing more moral accountability than some religious people who believe they are following God's dictates.

Just because the world is being taken over by satan, doesn't mean that
we all must bow down to him, and ignore truth.

Do you think the 9-11 hijackers were bowing down to God's truth? They thought so.

If not, then how confident can you be that you aren't making a similar mistake as they did in belief of what God's truth is?

I happen to respect good women .. and good men.
I cannot respect it when people claim that a sin is not a sin.
i.e. adultery and fornication are "OK"

What punishment should adulterers and fornicators face, in your view?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

..so what "gods" do you believe in, then?

I've discussed my spiritual beliefs in other threads, so I see no reason to repeat myself in this thread.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Nothing is perfect. There are always exceptions.

How's that supposed to be relevant to the post you replied to?

 

[muhammad_isa]

What punishment should adulterers and fornicators face, in your view?

As I understand it, fornicators should be flogged.
..and adulterers .. death penalty .. the same as rape.

 

[Nakosis]

How's that supposed to be relevant to the post you replied to?

You pointed out exceptions to what I said.
While I accept these exceptions, I don't think that makes enough of a case to refute what I said.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You pointed out exceptions to what I said.

No, I didn't.

While I accept these exceptions, I don't think that makes enough of a case to refute what I said.

What are you talking about?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

As I understand it, fornicators should be flogged.
..and adulterers .. death penalty .. the same as rape.

That's some messed up ****. I'm glad not to live under your version of Islam.

Edit: Just curious, I suppose that in your system, you wouldn't have to worry about torture or death for violating someone else's moral code, would you?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Thank God, as atheists are showing more moral accountability than some religious people who believe they are following God's dictates.

Do you think the 9-11 hijackers were bowing down to God's truth? They thought so.

If not, then how confident can you be that you aren't making a similar mistake as they did in belief of what God's truth is?

What punishment should adulterers and fornicators face, in your view?

So I am an atheist, because I agree with you in this case.
Is that your level of reasoning?

 

[muhammad_isa]

That's some messed up ****. I'm glad not to live under your version of Islam.

Why would that be?
Are you not in agreement with capital punishment?

A man who commits adultery has no excuse .. he has a wife .. and if she is not enough for him,
he can take another wife.
A woman who commits adultery also has no excuse .. she can divorce her husband and marry another man.

Fornicators? It would be better to learn their lesson before they commit adultery.
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All these things have to be brought to the attention of the police, and proved.
Not an easy thing to do. There are stringent legal rules.

 

[F1fan]

As I understand it, fornicators should be flogged.
..and adulterers .. death penalty .. the same as rape.

And do you think this is just for civilized people?

A marriage certificate is the difference between rape being permissable to it being a death sentence?

And you ignored my question about the 9-11 hijackers, were they following God's truth?

 

[F1fan]

So I am an atheist, because I agree with you in this case.
Is that your level of reasoning?

Only if you are one of the believers whose moral claims don't value human dignity. Thus far you haven't posted anything that I have seen that suggests you are one of them.

 

[Audie]

The thing is, this isn't a mainline belief of Islam. This monstrous opinion isn't even echoed by Muslim majority countries, which overwhelmingly have laws in place for spousal rape. This is just an especially egregious individual sexist opinion.

There's nothing from Islam that I want in my country.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why would that be?
Are you not in agreement with capital punishment?

I'm not. I also don't think fornication or adultery should be considered crimes at all.

A man who commits adultery has no excuse .. he has a wife ..

It's a personal issue between the two spouses, similar to how breach of contract is a civil matter, not a criminal one.

and if she is not enough for him,
he can take another wife.

While I don't have an issue with polyamory generally, I think that someone already in a marriage should need the consent of all the people he's married to (and anyone they're married to, and so on) before entering into another marriage.

A woman who commits adultery also has no excuse .. she can divorce her husband and marry another man.

What about this implies that adultery should be a criminal matter?

Fornicators? It would be better to learn their lesson before they commit adultery.

"Adultery"? Fornication is just sex outside of marriage. Not only should this not be a crime, I don't think it should be seen as bad. Sex outside of marriage is a normal, healthy thing.

If you disagree, you're free to live your life as you choose, but if you're going to demand that others live by your values, then I'm going to insist that you live by mine. Turnabout is fair play.

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All these things have to be brought to the attention of the police, and proved.
Not an easy thing to do. There are stringent legal rules.

Oh, indeed. The injustice you support has to all have the proper processes.

 

[Soandso]

Why would that be?
Are you not in agreement with capital punishment?

A man who commits adultery has no excuse .. he has a wife .. and if she is not enough for him,
he can take another wife.
A woman who commits adultery also has no excuse .. she can divorce her husband and marry another man.

Fornicators? It would be better to learn their lesson before they commit adultery.
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All these things have to be brought to the attention of the police, and proved.
Not an easy thing to do. There are stringent legal rules.

Wait, why are we killing adulterers again? I don't respect them, but I'm not making the connection for why they need to die

 

[Nakosis]

No, I didn't.


What are you talking about?

Ok, well then, I didn't understand your point.

 

[muhammad_isa]

And do you think this is just for civilized people?

A marriage certificate is the difference between rape being permissable to it being a death sentence?

Not more of this nonsense again.
A woman does not have to stay married to a person she doesn't approve of.
Presumably, she DID approve of him when they got married and had children together.
..but somehow, the relationship has broken down.
I don't believe for one moment, that a woman who has lived with her husband for many years,
has suddenly decided that he is a rapist, and wants him dead. It makes little sense.

No .. he is not a rapist in reality .. he is only being CALLED a rapist, because his wife does not want to give him consent
at a particular time.
Most reasonable men won't force their wives to have sexual intercourse with them..
..so the woman is married to an unreasonable man.
If she doesn't love him anymore because of it .. end of .. it is very likely that she didn't love him
BEFORE he forced her, in any case.

I'm fed up with this stupid game.
A woman that no longer honours her husband should seek divorce.
The relationship has broken down.

And you ignored my question about the 9-11 hijackers, were they following God's truth?

..well you tell me?
I have never met them.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Ok, well then, I didn't understand your point.

My point was that marriage does not bring stability to a relationship.