Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

[F1fan]

Of course they can .. and so can Muslim wives.
..putting "Muslim" in front of what your saying changes nothing.

Sure it does. Under your Muslim rules people who commit adultery are executed. Under civilized nations and law its a personal issue between the married parties. Not even a fine.

That is not according to Islam .. not according to the Qur'an.
Anybody who does that, or conspires in that, it is against their own souls.


Unless a woman has committed adultery, the wife is ALWAYS correct.
She is entitled to a no-fault divorce.

After abuse that the husband isn’t held accountable for, in your view because you cover for husbands.

..already been answered .. No .. a man cannot have sexual intercourse with his wife, when she has
filed for divorce.

And if he does what is his punishment? Execution?

 

[ChristineM]

If a couple "live in sin", they are committing illegal sexual intercourse

What is "illegal" sexual intercourse? As as i am aware once a person reaches the age of majority they can legally have sex whenever they want.

If they are married, they cannot be accused of an illegal sexual act

Marital rape is illegal and can wind up with prison time

If a wife doesn't like the attention she is getting from her husband .. why?

There can be many reasons, example, he has been unfaithful and she found out or he is a total *******, a personality trait he kept hidden at first or he abuses her or... or... or...

Is she likely to have disliked the attention when she first started having sex with him?

People change.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That is often what happened..
..but that is not what G-d ordained .. it is what mankind did due to economic concerns and ignorance.
It still happens today .. but it is not Islamic.

And no true Scotsman puts sugar on his oatmeal.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Your values are well understood. And rejected.

In my opinion, it is vitally necessary to vehemently condemn and denounce the appalling values expressed by this other member. I believe it is abundantly clear to everyone that, as a humanist, you are considerably more moral than the person whose abhorrent values you have been challenging in your posts.

 

[SkepticThinker]

..because it always seems to be about blame.
A woman that no longer honours and respects their husband makes it all about blame.

A man who rapes a woman should most definitely be blamed for doing so.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It doesn't deal with the abuser, though.

And what happens, in your society, to divorced women? How are they regarded?

A good woman, is a good woman .. full-stop.
The fact that she may be divorced does not matter.

We're not talking about happy married couples. We're talking about marriages in which there is abuse.

It's bad, isn't it?
I suggest you start praying, and asking G-d for a reasonable husband/wife.

What is wrong about revealing that your partner is abusive, dangerous and evil? Do you not think those people should be shamed and punished?

You are talking nonsense.
Criminals should be apprehended .. you know that.
Having sexual intercourse with your wife should not be a criminal offence.

Naturally, a reasonable husband will leave their wife alone, if they are in a tiff, or what have you.
..yawn..

 

[muhammad_isa]

People change..

..don't they just.
..and we are only human .. we all have our off days.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

..don't they just.
..and we are only human .. we all have our off days.

If you're calling raping your spouse "having an off day"... no, we don't all "have off days."

 

[ImmortalFlame]

A good woman, is a good woman .. full-stop.
The fact that she may be divorced does not matter.

So, to be clear, there is no social shame attached to being divorced?

If so, at least that's something.

It's bad, isn't it?
I suggest you start praying, and asking G-d for a reasonable husband/wife.

If I did pray to a God, I'd pray for God to imprison all abusive husbands and wives.

You are talking nonsense.
Criminals should be apprehended .. you know that.
Having sexual intercourse with your wife should not be a criminal offence.

Sexually abusing her should be, right? You've agreed abuse is immoral. You did not answer my question.

So, what should be done about it? Saying women should divorce them is not providing an actual punishment.

Naturally, a reasonable husband will leave their wife alone, if they are in a tiff, or what have you.
..yawn..

And also would not rape her.

If he did, he should be outed and punished, yes?

 

[muhammad_isa]

So, to be clear, there is no social shame attached to being divorced?

..it depends on the reason .. and who's doing the judging, of course.
Divorce is not desirable, but often the only solution .. particularly these days.

The main thing that a religious person cares about in finding a marriage partner,
is are they religious .. do they pray daily, and fast etc?

Sexually abusing her should be, right? You've agreed abuse is immoral. You did not answer my question.

So, what should be done about it? Saying women should divorce them is not providing an actual punishment.

There should be no punishment for having sexual intercourse with your partner.
..perhaps "banging their heads together" would be the best thing I can think of.

 

[Polymath257]

I have not committed any act.
It's quite simple .. the charge of "marital rape" is bad.
It does not give men the respect they deserve.

A man that rapes his wife deserves no respect.

 

[SkepticThinker]

..it depends on the reason .. and who's doing the judging, of course.
Divorce is not desirable, but often the only solution .. particularly these days.

The main thing that a religious person cares about in finding a marriage partner,
is are they religious .. do they pray daily, and fast etc?


There should be no punishment for having sexual intercourse with your partner.
..perhaps "banging their heads together" would be the best thing I can think of.

So nothing? Nothing should be done to punish a man who rapes his wife?
Please tell me you are not saying that.

 

[We Never Know]

..it depends on the reason .. and who's doing the judging, of course.
Divorce is not desirable, but often the only solution .. particularly these days.

The main thing that a religious person cares about in finding a marriage partner,
is are they religious .. do they pray daily, and fast etc?


There should be no punishment for having sexual intercourse with your partner.
..perhaps "banging their heads together" would be the best thing I can think of.

"There should be no punishment for having sexual intercourse with your partner"

Really? If he ties her down and rapes her against her will is that ok because its just sexual intercourse with his partner?

 

[muhammad_isa]

"There should be no punishment for having sexual intercourse with your partner"

Really? If he ties her down and rapes her against her will is that ok because its just sexual intercourse with his partner?

For G-d's sake .. what would a woman be doing with a man like that?
If he does that to his wife, what else is he getting up to with others?

I would say, that if a husband did that to his wife, the wife's relatives would deal with him..
..one way or another.

..but then, I'm sure you can come up with all sorts of scenarios .. how a person might
mistreat their partner.
If you can't, then I'm sure I can.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I have not committed any act.
It's quite simple .. the charge of "marital rape" is bad.
It does not give men the respect they deserve.

Why should men be treated with respect simply for being men? As far as I'm concerned, respect is earned, not commanded.

 

[We Never Know]

For G-d's sake .. what would a woman be doing with a man like that?
If he does that to his wife, what else is he getting up to with others?

I would say, that if a husband did that to his wife, the wife's relatives would deal with him..
..one way or another.

..but then, I'm sure you can come up with all sorts of scenarios .. how a person might
mistreat their partner.
If you can't, then I'm sure I can.

I used extreme there to get your attention.

The woman is sick, has a headache and does not want to have sex. The man makes her anyway because he wants to have sex.

That is rape just as my extreme scenario was.

 

[ChristineM]

Why should men be treated with respect simply for being men? As far as I'm concerned, respect is earned, not commanded.

Winner frube

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

A man who rapes a woman should most definitely be blamed for doing so.

And thank goodness that a lot of these disgusting, perverted rapists are arrested, charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why should men be treated with respect simply for being men?

..not a good start for a marriage.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

For G-d's sake .. what would a woman be doing with a man like that?
If he does that to his wife, what else is he getting up to with others?

"I don't think this happens, therefore we should carve out a special exception to decriminalizate this when it happens."