Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

[SkepticThinker]

How can it be irrelevant in answering the question "Does she even have any access to money? Will her family say too bad?"

NEWS FLASH: Lots of people in the world don't have access to money.

So the answer is no? Which means that a woman doesn't actually have the resources to actually leave her husband if he mistreats her.

 

[muhammad_isa]

So the answer is no? Which means that a woman doesn't actually have the resources to actually leave her husband if he mistreats her.

It's a cruel world isn't it?
It's easy to be an atheist, when you are rich.
Get somebody else to pay for everything.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's a cruel world isn't it?

Much crueler with your version of Islam included, it seems.

So when you say that a woman who is being mistreated by her husband should just leave, you say that knowing full well that many don't actually have the resources to do so? In other words, your claim is rather disingenuous, isn't it?

It's easy to be an atheist, when you are rich.

No idea what that's supposed to mean.

Get somebody else to pay for everything.

Or this? What does this have to do with what we're talking about? I pay my own way, thanks.

 

[F1fan]

How can it be irrelevant in answering the question "Does she even have any access to money? Will her family say too bad?"

NEWS FLASH: Lots of people in the world don't have access to money.

So then how can an abused wife leave her abusive husband?

It's a cruel world isn't it?

Islam contributes to the cruelty, given your inhumane attitudes. It's good that many Muslims are rejecting your obsolete attitudes, finally.

It's easy to be an atheist, when you are rich.

Apparently it's hard for you to see beyond your inhumane beliefs, and all because you think your interpretation of the Quran is accurate. You could be mistaken, and you are not open to consider your poor judgment as a liability.

Get somebody else to pay for everything.

Like wives and their rights.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

So the answer is no? Which means that a woman doesn't actually have the resources to actually leave her husband if he mistreats her.

It's a cruel world isn't it?
It's easy to be an atheist, when you are rich.
Get somebody else to pay for everything.

I've read your posts and I've read hers, and based on what you've both posted in this thread, it's very clear that she is by far more moral than you are.

 

[muhammad_isa]

So when you say that a woman who is being mistreated by her husband should just leave, you say that knowing full well that many don't actually have the resources to do so? In other words, your claim is rather disingenuous, isn't it?

No .. it just means that a woman is not so likely to get on her high horse and oppose her husband.
She does not want to end up in a worse situation.
If her husband is really bad, she will move back in with her family.
No good family would turn her down.

I pay my own way, thanks.

Well, aren't you the lucky one.
Some countries have over 50% adult unemployment.
There is a good reason why many people try to emigrate.

 

[PureX]

What gives you the impression that a husband has the right to expect sex from his wife? In your opinion, where does that "right" come from?

The agreement to share physical intimacy comes with the agreement to share property and all aspects of well-being. If some aspect of this sharing of lives is to be denied, that would require a pre-nup agreement.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I've read your posts and I've read hers, and based on what you've both posted in this thread, it's very clear that she is by far more moral than you are.

Do you live in a country where children are starving to death?
Thought not..

 

[Audie]

The agreement to share physical intimacy comes with the agreement to share property and all aspects of well-being. If some aspect of this sharing of lives is to be denied, that would require a pre-nup agreement.

Sounds like "wisdom" of the never - married

 

[SkepticThinker]

No .. it just means that a woman is not so likely to get on her high horse and oppose her husband.
She does not want to end up in a worse situation.

Oh my. This just got a lot worse. Your views on women are appalling.

So to you, a woman who is abused by her husband is getting on "her high horse" if she opposes her husband and tries to leave him. But you just told me that a woman who is abused by her husband should leave him, But now, if she does actually want to leave, she's getting on a "high horse?" And of course this ignores what we were actually talking about which was that many Islamic women lack the financial means to leave their husbands.

So again, women in your eyes, are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Because your views don't respect women as equal human beings to men.

If her husband is really bad, she will move back in with her family.
No good family would turn her down.

What if she doesn't have family? What if they live very far away from her and she lacks the financial means to reach them??????

Well, aren't you the lucky one.

No, I'm not lucky at all. I've worked for everything I have.
You just accused me of being a rich atheist who "get somebody else to pay for everything."
I'm definitely not rich and I definitely don't "get somebody else to pay for everything."

Some countries have over 50% adult unemployment.
There is a good reason why many people try to emigrate.

Would these be these wonderful Islamic countries that we keep hearing about? Why do you think the adult unemployment rate is so high there?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Do you live in a country where children are starving to death?
Thought not..

You ask me a question, you answer it before I get a chance to respond, and then act as if you won the argument. That is a weak debate tactic. I suppose that this is how you normally speak to and interact with women. For the record, the answer is yes. There is a crisis of child hunger in the United States.

Child Hunger in America | Save the Children

Child Hunger in America | Feeding America

And deflecting the subject to child hunger does not negate the fact that SkepticThinker has demonstrated that she is far more moral than you are.

 

[muhammad_isa]

What if she doesn't have family? What if they live very far away from her and she lacks the financial means to reach them??????

The Islamic state is responsible for orphans.
She is entitled to financial assistance.

You just accused me of being a rich atheist who "get somebody else to pay for everything."

No I did not .. I said it is easy to be an atheist if you are rich.
It means what it says.
In poor countries, people rely a lot more on G-d.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Oh my. This just got a lot worse. Your views on women are appalling.

So to you, a woman who is abused by her husband is getting on "her high horse" if she opposes her husband and tries to leave him. But you just told me that a woman who is abused by her husband should leave him, But now, if she does actually want to leave, she's getting on a "high horse?" And of course this ignores what we were actually talking about which was that many Islamic women lack the financial means to leave their husbands.

So again, women in your eyes, are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Because your views don't respect women as equal human beings to men.

What if she doesn't have family? What if they live very far away from her and she lacks the financial means to reach them??????

No, I'm not lucky at all. I've worked for everything I have.
You just accused me of being a rich atheist who "get somebody else to pay for everything."
I'm definitely not rich and I definitely don't "get somebody else to pay for everything."

Would these be these wonderful Islamic countries that we keep hearing about? Why do you think the adult unemployment rate is so high there?

Winner frubal. Well said.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why do you think the adult unemployment rate is so high there?

You really don't want to know !
I've discussed this in other threads.
I'll give you a clue .. prior colonisation and global financial system.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The Islamic state is responsible for orphans.
She is entitled to financial assistance.

Ahh, I see. And does this "Islamic state" have the same views towards women that you do? That a woman who seeks to leave her husband for abuse is "getting on her high horse?"

No I did not .. I said it is easy to be an atheist if you are rich.

Which means, what?

Also, I'm not rich.

It means what it says.

Okay, then since you refuse to clarify, I'm going with what I took away from what you said because that's all I have.

In poor countries, people rely a lot more on G-d.

Why do you think that is?

 

[SkepticThinker]

You ask me a question, you answer it before I get a chance to respond, and then act as if you won the argument. That is a weak debate tactic. I suppose that this is how you normally speak to and interact with women. For the record, the answer is yes. There is a crisis of child hunger in the United States.

Child Hunger in America | Save the Children

Child Hunger in America | Feeding America

And deflecting the subject to child hunger does not negate the fact that SkepticThinker has demonstrated that she is far more moral than you are.

As are you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You really don't want to know !

Please stop trying to tell me what I want. I'm not your wife, thankfully.

I asked you the question for a reason.

I've discussed this in other threads.
I'll give you a clue .. prior colonisation and global financial system.

We're not in other threads.

My country was once colonized. So was the USA. What about it leads to high unemployment rates, do you think?
And what do you mean when you refer to the "global financial system?"

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Please stop trying to tell me what I want. I'm not your wife, thankfully.

No kidding. I agree with you, and I shudder to think what it would be like to be in a marriage like that. If I've learned anything from participating in this thread, it's to be cautiously wary of Muslim men until they've proven that they are not male chauvinist pigs who believe that women are inferior to men and a woman should be subordinate to her husband if she's married. To be honest, I'm having a difficult time believing that the majority of Muslim men aren't like the one we have been confronting in this thread, especially after what @It Aint Necessarily So said in response to my previous post yesterday.

I've been trying to assess that myself with questions to @muhammad_isa, which he either disregards or answers ambiguously by using words atypically (abuse, mistreat, violent).

Here's what we have to work with, and why I'd suggest that his posting means that Muslim men with that attitude are very common. He probably didn't come up with this idea on his own, meaning it is likely a common Muslim teaching. He feels pretty comfortable expressing it, which suggests to me that he has social support for his views - a community that agrees with him and reinforced his beliefs.

I practiced medicine in rural Missouri, where there were several Muslim physicians that I worked with, but they were pretty clannish, and we didn't socialize, so I had no idea what went on in their homes. Now I'm wondering. How many of these men were raping or otherwise manhandling their wives? How many were second-class citizens without rights in their own homes, and nobody knew, because they don't talk about it?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why do you think that is?

It's easy to be blasé when people have what they need..

 

[muhammad_isa]

..what do you mean when you refer to the "global financial system?"

In a nutshell .. usury.