Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

[muhammad_isa]

I practiced medicine in rural Missouri, where there were several Muslim physicians that I worked with, but they were pretty clannish, and we didn't socialize, so I had no idea what went on in their homes. Now I'm wondering. How many of these men were raping or otherwise manhandling their wives?

More nonsense .. I expect it from atheists.
Why should these Muslim physicians be raping their wives any more than anybody else?
It's absurd.

If anything, it's more likely the other way round .. or have you found that Muslims doctors swear and exhibit
violent behaviour?
I certainly haven't.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's easy to be blasé when people have what they need..

Sorry, I'm not following. This was in response to:

In poor countries, people rely a lot more on G-d.

Me: Why do you think that is?

Can you clarify?

 

[SkepticThinker]

More nonsense .. I expect it from atheists.
Why should these Muslim physicians be raping their wives any more than anybody else?
It's absurd.

If anything, it's more likely the other way round .. or have you found that Muslims doctors swear and exhibit
violent behaviour?
I certainly haven't.

Just look at the views you have shared in this thread. That's why he's wondering that about other Muslims, as he pointed out in his post.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Just look at the views you have shared in this thread. That's why he's wondering that about other Muslims, as he pointed out in his post.

No. He is being absurd.
I have never said that anybody should mistreat their wives.

It's just the atheists in this thread object to wives obeying their husbands, so
come up with all this garbage.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

It's easy to be blasé when people have what they need

Religion does best where people feel vulnerable. They pray to unseen gods for protection. Religion is also popular where there is crushing guilt and regret. The proselytizer will always do better on Skid Row and death Row than on Restaurant Row.

have you found that Muslims doctors swear and exhibit violent behaviour?

No, but I only saw them when I was making rounds in the hospital and at noon conference for lunch and a medical presentation. They were quite friendly and polite, but I didn't really know them, although it wasn't for lack of effort on my part. They simply didn't want to go out for a meal with us, come to our home, or have us in theirs. But that was also true with the locals who were born and raised there (we arrived as outsiders in 1998), who were mostly church-going Christians. They really didn't want to know us or spend time with us any more than the Muslims did.

It never occurred to me that they might be raping or hitting their wives until this thread.

Why should these Muslim physicians be raping their wives any more than anybody else?

Maybe this from another poster will help: "To be honest, I'm having a difficult time believing that the majority of Muslim men aren't like the one we have been confronting in this thread."

You've done nothing to disabuse any reader of the notion that you didn't learn that in a mosque along with tens or hundreds of millions of other Muslim men who go to mosques, and your evasion of the topic and use of misleading language ("the atheists in this thread object to wives obeying their husbands") reinforces that intuition, as does your apparent indifference to or inability to see how heinous and egregious your position is. It's somehow been normalized for you.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You've done nothing to disabuse any reader of the notion that you didn't learn that in a mosque along with tens or hundreds of millions of other Muslim men who go to mosques..

What .. that Muslim wives should obey their husbands?
It is elementary, my dear Watson.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No. He is being absurd.
I have never said that anybody should mistreat their wives.

It's just the atheists in this thread object to wives obeying their husbands, so
come up with all this garbage.

I don't know how or why, but you don't seem to realize the utterly appalling views of women and of your religion that you have shared in this thread. That's probably because you're so deeply entrenched in it, but I don't know.

Yes, I object to a woman, or a man having to "obey" their spouse as though they are a child and as though they are not equal partners in their relationship. Yep, you got me.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What .. that Muslim wives should obey their husbands?
It is elementary, my dear Watson.

If you're cool with infantilizing women, sure.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Yes, I object to a woman, or a man having to "obey" their spouse as though they are a child and as though they are not equal partners in their relationship. Yep, you got me.

It is not necessary to treat a wife like a child, unless they behave like one.
..that is not to say that men cannot behave like a child .. they can.

The problem is, that we are not equal. A man cannot give birth to a child..
He does what he can do .. and that is to spend of his wealth to support his wife and children.
Constant argument only serves the devil and divides .. not good for a secure family.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It is not necessary to treat a wife like a child, unless they behave like one.

I guess that's when you have to "spank her like a child," right? Do you not understand how demeaning and disrespectful that is?

..that is not to say that men cannot behave like a child .. they can.

So do men also get spanked "like a child" when they act like it?

The problem is, that we are not equal. A man cannot give birth to a child..

So what? I don't have a penis. And? What about that makes it impossible for two grown adults to be equal to each other?

He does what he can do .. and that is to spend of his wealth to support his wife and children.
Constant argument only serves the devil and divides .. not good for a secure family.

So the wife should just get off her "high horse" and shut up and take it, right?

 

[muhammad_isa]

So the wife should just get off her "high horse" and shut up and take it, right?

I dunno .. I think if her husband has any sense, he will shut up.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

No. He is being absurd.
I have never said that anybody should mistreat their wives.

Except that you implied that a husband can spank his wife like he would spank a naughty child. That's sick, not to mention clearly abusive.

The "beating one's wife" is illegal, unless like spanking a child for being naughty.
I suppose you'll be telling me that it is psychological violence.

I do not agree with it being illegal to spank a child, either.
I understand why it is illegal .. because a line has to be drawn.
There are too many mad people around losing control, and that is not acceptable.

However, we are not winning the battle against evil .. many children are growing up with no respect
for their elders.

It's just the atheists in this thread object to wives obeying their husbands, so
come up with all this garbage.

The religious belief that a woman is required to obey her husband is patriarchal, male-chauvinistic garbage. As far as I'm concerned, any person with a moral conscience would reject this belief and call it out for the misogynistic crap that it is. Unless I'm shown otherwise, I think that it would be fair of me to assume that the majority of Muslim men are misogynistic male chauvinists and full of themselves, as you have portrayed yourself to be in this thread.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The religious belief that a woman is required to obey her husband is patriarchal, male-chauvinistic garbage..

You are entitled to your own opinion.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You are entitled to your own opinion.

Yes, I know. But opinions have consequences. The problem is that your system of opinions means that you are evil and need correcting in actual life as you are not capable of making decisions on your own. That is not just my opinion, that is how you need to be treated by society.

That is your system applied to you.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Yes, I know. But opinions have consequences. The problem is that your system of opinions means that you are evil and need correcting in actual life as you are not capable of making decisions on your own. That is not just my opinion, that is how you need to be treated by society.

That is your system applied to you.

Well, I have to put up with a system that I don't agree with, and I have every right to live in the UK.
I and my parents were born here .. not that that has much to do with it by law.

If it turns out that the majority vote for Islamic law, then you should put up with that.
..but I am aware of the double standards that people hold..

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well, I have to put up with a system that I don't agree with, and I have every right to live in the UK.
I and my parents were born here .. not that that has much to do with it by law.

If it turns out that the majority vote for Islamic law, then you should put up with that.
..but I am aware of the double standards that people hold..

So your wife is the head of your family in the UK and she can spank you as a naughty child? Is that how it is in the UK?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Yes, I know. But opinions have consequences. The problem is that your system of opinions means that you are evil and need correcting in actual life as you are not capable of making decisions on your own. That is not just my opinion, that is how you need to be treated by society.

That is your system applied to you.

Winner frubal. Well said, and I fully agree.

 

[muhammad_isa]

So your wife is the head of your family in the UK and she can spank you as a naughty child? Is that how it is in the UK?

What if it was? It makes no sense, in any case.
A woman spanking a man? What would that achieve?

..silly suggestion from an atheist .. the Qur'an speaks truth .. you suggest absurdities.
Brave new world .. one in which women are in charge, and the men are all imprisoned.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I dunno .. I think if her husband has any sense, he will shut up.

Well, I guess we can agree on that, at least.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What if it was? It makes no sense, in any case.
A woman spanking a man? What would that achieve?

..silly suggestion from an atheist .. the Qur'an speaks truth .. you suggest absurdities.
Brave new world .. one in which women are in charge, and the men are all imprisoned.

What does a man spanking a woman achieve????

I guess this answers my question about a woman being able to spank a naughty husband like a child. She can't.