Does belief in God prevent people from killing?

[gnostic]

I said the belief in the righteous God prevents people from killing on the human level.

That's only your assumption or interpretation that your god is righteous and that a belief of such god would prevent people from killing, but there's no place in your OT bible support your claim.

 

[uss_bigd]

That's only your assumption or interpretation that your god is righteous and that a belief of such god would prevent people from killing, but there's no place in your OT bible support your claim.

He freed the israelites from slavery, how can that be not righteous?

now i just supported my claim.

now, destroy it my proving freeing people from slavery is unrighteous.

you can't. so stop whatever it is your doing.

 

[Sunstone]

He freed the israelites from slavery, how can that be not righteous?

now i just supported my claim.

now, destroy it my proving freeing people from slavery is unrighteous.

you can't. so stop whatever it is your doing.

Hitler put people back to work during a depression, how can that not be righteous?

Now I just supported my claim [that Hitler was righteous].

Now destroy it by proving that putting people back to work is unrighteous.

You can't. So stop whatever it is you're doing.

 

[gnostic]

He freed the israelites from slavery, how can that be not righteous?

now i just supported my claim.

now, destroy it my proving freeing people from slavery is unrighteous.

you can't. so stop whatever it is your doing.

He saved the Israelites from slavery. Hooray!

But he also caused the flood to destroy mankind and ordered genocides of other races, which included children. That's a big negative in God being righteous.

The Flood and genocides is like killing a single fly with sledgehammer - an overkill and indiscriminate destruction to those who can least defend themselves (the children).

What wrong did any infant to what supposed to an all-mighty god? What sins did an infant earn to warrant his wrath?

 

[Autodidact]

He freed the israelites from slavery, how can that be not righteous?

now i just supported my claim.

now, destroy it my proving freeing people from slavery is unrighteous.

you can't. so stop whatever it is your doing.

He couldn't do it without slaying the Egyptian firstborn? Why should a newborn baby be held responsible for a system created by a King? If this sounds like quibbling to you (although I realize it doesn't come easy to you) try to empathize with a poor Egyptian mother, a non-slave-owner, whose newborn baby has just been killed for no reason. Is that what you call righteous?

 

[uss_bigd]

He couldn't do it without slaying the Egyptian firstborn? Why should a newborn baby be held responsible for a system created by a King? If this sounds like quibbling to you (although I realize it doesn't come easy to you) try to empathize with a poor Egyptian mother, a non-slave-owner, whose newborn baby has just been killed for no reason. Is that what you call righteous?

you are so ignorant of what the bible contains and pretend like you know something.

IGNORANT!

your ignorance is making yourself look bad! moses asked the pharoah nicely, warned about the plaques and then sent 9 plaques before the tenth one.

why would i have pity on a ruthless pharoah? you dont know the story, so stop making your self look bad.

 

[camanintx]

you are so ignorant of what the bible contains and pretend like you know something.

IGNORANT!

your ignorance is making yourself look bad! moses asked the pharoah nicely, warned about the plaques and then sent 9 plaques before the tenth one.

why would i have pity on a ruthless pharoah? you dont know the story, so stop making your self look bad.

I don't think he was asking you to have pity on the Pharaoh but rather the children.

 

[uss_bigd]

I don't think he was asking you to have pity on the Pharaoh but rather the children.

It was the Pharaohs fault, he was warned. he did not give in. so blame the first born's death on the Pharoah, not God.

 

[camanintx]

It was the Pharaohs fault, he was warned. he did not give in. so blame the first born's death on the Pharoah, not God.

So if I hold a gun to your child's head and demand all of your money, it's not my fault if you refuse and I have to pull the trigger? If God wanted to punish the Pharaoh, why did it have to use children?

 

[Autodidact]

you are so ignorant of what the bible contains and pretend like you know something.

Please demonstrate a single instance of me citing the Bible in accurately.

IGNORANT!

What is it you believe I'm ignorant of?

your ignorance is making yourself look bad! moses asked the pharoah nicely, warned about the plaques and then sent 9 plaques before the tenth one.

why would i have pity on a ruthless pharoah? you dont know the story, so stop making your self look bad.

So if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is that if you happen to be born under a ruthless Pharoah, then slaughtering you is righteous? Because, obviously, the little babies didn't do anything wrong, did they? But in your value system, killing babies is often justified, even righteous. Kind of a barbaric value system you've got there.

Speaking of Bible knowledge, you do remember who it was that hardened Pharoah's heart, right?

 

[Autodidact]

It was the Pharaohs fault, he was warned. he did not give in. so blame the first born's death on the Pharoah, not God.

Oh, not only is your God vicious, but He doesn't even accept responsibility for His actions. Now, again, really work here, use your brain cells--think. God is all-powerful. He could have, for example, frozen the Egyptians in place and let the Israelites go. Instead, the only method he could choose for freeing them from slavery was to murder a bunch of innocent little babies. And that's what you call, "righteous." If that's righteous, I'll take evil, thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

Once you start in with a really primitive myth-system like this, all kinds of barbaric atrocities result from it: slavery, infanticide, genocide, sexual slavery--all of these things are commonly commanded by Yahweh and perpetuated by His followers. That's if the Bible is to be believed. Of course, if it isn't, then there is no Yahweh, which actually seems more likely to me.

 

[uss_bigd]

So if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is that if you happen to be born under a ruthless Pharoah, then slaughtering you is righteous? Because, obviously, the little babies didn't do anything wrong, did they? But in your value system, killing babies is often justified, even righteous. Kind of a barbaric value system you've got there.
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I will no longer entertain this argument, I no longer beleive you are able to understand anyway. you will always dwell on the action and never the rationale, or the whole context of the story.

so, good luck!

Speaking of Bible knowledge, you do remember who it was that hardened Pharoah's heart, right?

I know, who and WHY and how it is. but are you ABLE to understand if i explain? I don't think so.

 

[camanintx]

I will no longer entertain this argument, I no longer beleive you are able to understand anyway. you will always dwell on the action and never the rationale, or the whole context of the story.

What "context" can ever justify killing children for the actions of another?

 

[uss_bigd]

What "context" can ever justify killing children for the actions of another?

Biblical context may justify it, if you understand why.

Job 36:26
How great is God—beyond our understanding! The number of his years is past finding out.

Job 28:28
And he said to man, 'The fear of the Lord—that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding

Psalm 53:2
God looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God.

Psalm 111:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.


Proverbs 2

Moral Benefits of Wisdom

1 My son, if you accept my words
and store up my commands within you,

2 turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding,
3 and if you call out for insight
and cry aloud for understanding,
4 and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,
5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD
and find the knowledge of God.
6 For the LORD gives wisdom,
and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
7 He holds victory in store for the upright,
he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,
8 for he guards the course of the just
and protects the way of his faithful ones.
9 Then you will understand what is right and just
and fair—every good path.
10 For wisdom will enter your heart,
and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
11 Discretion will protect you,
and understanding will guard you.
12 Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men,
from men whose words are perverse,
13 who leave the straight paths
to walk in dark ways,
14 who delight in doing wrong
and rejoice in the perverseness of evil,
15 whose paths are crooked
and who are devious in their ways.
16 It will save you also from the adulteress,
from the wayward wife with her seductive words,
17 who has left the partner of her youth
and ignored the covenant she made before God. [a]
18 For her house leads down to death
and her paths to the spirits of the dead.
19 None who go to her return
or attain the paths of life.
20 Thus you will walk in the ways of good men
and keep to the paths of the righteous.
21 For the upright will live in the land,
and the blameless will remain in it; 22 but the wicked will be cut off from the land,
and the unfaithful will be torn from it.

 

[Autodidact]

So if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is that if you happen to be born under a ruthless Pharoah, then slaughtering you is righteous? Because, obviously, the little babies didn't do anything wrong, did they? But in your value system, killing babies is often justified, even righteous. Kind of a barbaric value system you've got there.

I will no longer entertain this argument, I no longer beleive you are able to understand anyway. you will always dwell on the action and never the rationale, or the whole context of the story.

Game, set and match. Another one bites the dust.

Cuz y'know, to the dead baby and its mother, the "rationale" doesn't make a whole lot of difference, does it? Have I mentioned what a barbaric, cruel, and really disgusting myth system you've chosen for yourself?

I know, who and WHY and how it is. but are you ABLE to understand if i explain? I don't think so.

Understanding is not the problem, Bubba. I understand you just fine. Unfortunately, you're wrong.

 

[Autodidact]

Biblical context may justify it, if you understand why.

Job 36:26
How great is God—beyond our understanding! The number of his years is past finding out.

Job 28:28
And he said to man, 'The fear of the Lord—that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding

Psalm 53:2
God looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God.

Psalm 111:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.


Proverbs 2

Moral Benefits of Wisdom

1 My son, if you accept my words
and store up my commands within you,

2 turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding,
3 and if you call out for insight
and cry aloud for understanding,
4 and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,
5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD
and find the knowledge of God.
6 For the LORD gives wisdom,
and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
7 He holds victory in store for the upright,
he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,
8 for he guards the course of the just
and protects the way of his faithful ones.
9 Then you will understand what is right and just
and fair—every good path.
10 For wisdom will enter your heart,
and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
11 Discretion will protect you,
and understanding will guard you.
12 Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men,
from men whose words are perverse,
13 who leave the straight paths
to walk in dark ways,
14 who delight in doing wrong
and rejoice in the perverseness of evil,
15 whose paths are crooked
and who are devious in their ways.
16 It will save you also from the adulteress,
from the wayward wife with her seductive words,
17 who has left the partner of her youth
and ignored the covenant she made before God. [a]
18 For her house leads down to death
and her paths to the spirits of the dead.
19 None who go to her return
or attain the paths of life.
20 Thus you will walk in the ways of good men
and keep to the paths of the righteous.
21 For the upright will live in the land,
and the blameless will remain in it; 22 but the wicked will be cut off from the land,
and the unfaithful will be torn from it.

And what in these passages justified murdering innocent babies?

btw, uss, do you have any babies, by chance?

 

[uss_bigd]

And what in these passages justified murdering innocent babies?
quote]

murdering babies? well there i nothing i can do if your thinking can reach just that far. it is not your fault

btw, uss, do you have any babies, by chance?

yes, i do have a baby. and if he dies as a child, in which ever way. I will thank my creator for it. because i know he woldnt have to grow up and meet people like you.

He will surely go to a good place, no more thirst, no more hunger, no envy, no more strife, no more pain.

oh, why am i explaining? i forgot that you can only understand so much. well let this go out to those who can know better.

 

[Autodidact]

And what in these passages justified murdering innocent babies?
quote]

murdering babies? well there i nothing i can do if your thinking can reach just that far. it is not your fault





yes, i do have a baby. and if he dies as a child, in which ever way. I will thank my creator for it. because i know he woldnt have to grow up and meet people like you.

He will surely go to a good place, no more thirst, no more hunger, no envy, no more strife, no more pain.

oh, why am i explaining? i forgot that you can only understand so much. well let this go out to those who can know better.

I'm not surprised you changed your mind about participating in the conversation; I didn't believe you at the time.

Well, if killing somebody for nothing they've done isn't murder, what do you call it? And we were talking about babies. The rest of your post is so sick I don't know whether I can continue to converse with you.

Yeah, those horrible people like me that have the sheer nerve to oppose randomly killing other people's babies. Who do we think we are, those immoral, atheistic anti-baby-killers?

But, as I said previously, the more you post, the less people consider Christianity, so it definitely helps my side.

Would you like a lesson on the quote function? It would be a kindness to your readers.

 

[uss_bigd]

But, as I said previously, the more you post, the less people consider Christianity, so it definitely helps my side.

The real purpose of your heart now has surfaced. you never intended to reason out with anyone. all you wanted to do was "help your side"

most people have common sense.