Does belief in God prevent people from killing?

[Autodidact]

Actually, gnostic, for most of the genocides ordered in the Bible, there is not even any rationale offered. Rather, Yahweh just says: "This land which I gave you, kill everyone in it." That is, the Bible itself states the rationale: ethnic cleansing. Which, we note, has not gone out of fashion in the intervening 3000 years.

 

[gnostic]

here's what i think. you have a problem with rules.

Now you are being obscene.

How would you know that I don't follow rules?

I may not believe in God, but I have codes that is just as strong as your faith. I have never kill or maim anyone, I don't drink, smoke or do drug. I do all this because I have to, but because I want to. I follow the law as best as I can, but refuse to kill no matter what.

If my government tells me to kill another for my country then I would refuse. If this god of yours tell me kill in his name or in the name of Jesus, I would refuse. Why? because I followed my principle of not taking life, and not because what some book or prophet say.

So don't give me crap of not following rule.

how can a God who commands to love your wife as your own body be evil?

Look, face it. all you will do is focus on the fact that he ordered people to be killed. he owned life. he was the one who gave it. and you are uncomfortable with the fact that there is a God. because its slap on your face that you cannot make your own rules.

Again, you are dodging the issue, uss bigd.

This is not about loving your wife, but about belief in god and if it prevent people from killing or not. It is certainly not the answer related to this thread.

Read the topic line, uss bigd. The question is - "Does belief in God prevent people from killing?"

I am afraid that you are in the wrong topic.

This is what I found so frustrating, when reading your reply. You are throwing unrelated issues into this topic.

You are the one going off-topic. Not me.

What does your wife have to do with this topic?

If nothing, then stick to the topic, or go elsewhere and start a new topic/thread about your "loving your wife is not evil".

 

[uss_bigd]

Autodidact,

I already answered your questions, just go back to the thead and read them.

I will not imply anything by answering again, i might insult you. so please? read my previous post.

Thank you!

 

[Autodidact]

Autodidact,

I already answered your questions, just go back to the thead and read them.

I will not imply anything by answering again, i might insult you. so please? read my previous post.

Thank you!

No, you didn't. I tell you what. Let's go back through the thread. If I find questions you didn't answer, you deconvert. If I don't, I'll convert. Deal?

 

[uss_bigd]

No, you didn't. I tell you what. Let's go back through the thread. If I find questions you didn't answer, you deconvert. If I don't, I'll convert. Deal?

again i don't want to sound insulting. spare me. i had asnwers.

their probably answers that you refuse to accept. but they are my answers. and ou dont have to make a deal with me. you are accountable only to yourself.

 

[Magic Man]

Does anyone else hear the Charlie Brown teacher talking when they read USS B's posts?

 

[Father Heathen]

Does anyone else hear the Charlie Brown teacher talking when they read USS B's posts?

The bible on tape, narrated by Charlie Brown's teacher.

 

[uss_bigd]

The canaanites were evil, they did sexual immorality and worshipped idols. the reason why they were ordered to be killed is in so that the israelites will not be contaminated. pretty much the same reason as noah's flood.

God ordered children to be killed because it is a way to save them, if he takes them while they are kids, they don't have to pass judgement. they are automatically heirs to the kingdom of God.

let us not be near sighted, there is an after life, where we will not thirst.

autodidact, this was posted march 23

 

[yossarian22]

The canaanites were evil, they did sexual immorality and worshipped idols. the reason why they were ordered to be killed is in so that the israelites will not be contaminated. pretty much the same reason as noah's flood.

So, rather than snapping his fingers (so to speak) and fixing them, God decided to blow them off hte face of the planet

God ordered children to be killed because it is a way to save them, if he takes them while they are kids, they don't have to pass judgement. they are automatically heirs to the kingdom of God.
let us not be near sighted, there is an after life, where we will not thirst.

That does not help your case at all.
Why bother living? Just take an axe to a child's noggin as soon as it's born.

 

[uss_bigd]

So, rather than snapping his fingers (so to speak) and fixing them, God decided to blow them off hte face of the planet


That does not help your case at all.
Why bother living? Just take an axe to a child's noggin as soon as it's born.

That was for isrealites. salvation has been expanded to the gentiles in the time of christ.

it is like this, you cannot question the bible if you do not have full understanding of the bible.

As i said. athiest just have problems following rules. all you want to follow is your own.

I don't intend on convicing you. you cant even convince your self on anything

 

[Sunstone]

athiest just have problems following rules. all you want to follow is your own.

Are you certain you wish to leave such an unfortunately inane statement in this thread, Big D?

 

[yossarian22]

it is like this, you cannot question the bible if you do not have full understanding of the bible.

Hah!
So, because I disagree, it is obvious that I do not understand the bible, therefore my position is invalid.
How about I just wrap that around and state that it is you that lacks understanding of the bible.

As i said. athiest just have problems following rules. all you want to follow is your own.

Who says I am an atheist. Hell, I know several people who don't think I am at all.
Anyhow, I have no problems with most rules, just the particularly stupid ones which tell me to stone children.

I don't intend on convicing you. you cant even convince your self on anything

Sure I can.
I am, for instance, convinced that you have nothing intelligent to say.

 

[uss_bigd]

This is not about loving your wife, but about belief in god and if it prevent people from killing or not. It is certainly not the answer related to this thread.

Read the topic line, uss bigd. The question is - "Does belief in God prevent people from killing?"

I answered this already. I said the belief in the righteous God prevents people from killing on the human level.

in the old testament, and in the old testament only were orders to kill other races ordered as not to contaminate the israelites. the same rationale as the great flood.

they were killed Because people were evil and CHOSE to veer away from the creator, the creator who created life in the context of the bible. and you are using the bible. hence do not take it out of context.

if people chose to serve their creator would have they been condemned? no. but people chose to follow their own rules and deviate from God's law.

you have to take the whole old testament before making conclusions.

finally, at the human level in the christian era (yes their is a timeline)God no longer commands his prophets to kill another race because christ's salvation is extened to the gentiles.

the old testament was about the israelites, about Gods chosen peole, those who remained faithful to him. in the bible, God created life and has the right to take it away. you chose the bible, in the bible their is a God, so do not argue using the bible like as if their isn't one.

 

[gnostic]

I answered this already. I said the belief in the righteous God prevents people from killing on the human level.

in the old testament, and in the old testament only were orders to kill other races ordered as not to contaminate the israelites. the same rationale as the great flood.

they were killed Because people were evil and CHOSE to veer away from the creator, the creator who created life in the context of the bible. and you are using the bible. hence do not take it out of context.

Then I was right, belief in God don't prevent people from killing...and even God ordered people to kill.

So why do you argue that people don't kill because of belief in God?

What you have stated is contradictory? It matter not if the people are killed because they are evil or not. Killing is killing. And killing a child, especially infant is abomination. Christians harped on about abortions, but you all follow a book where God ordered the slaughter of children and infants. So you think infants are evil? How do you explain this?

Do you get it? Your 1st and 6th paragraph is contradictory to your other paragraphs, and therefore you are being illogical in your argument.

 

[uss_bigd]

Then I was right, belief in God don't prevent people from killing...and even God ordered people to kill.

So why do you argue that people don't kill because of belief in God?

What you have stated is contradictory? It matter not if the people are killed because they are evil or not. Killing is killing. And killing a child, especially infant is abomination. Christians harped on about abortions, but you all follow a book where God ordered the slaughter of children and infants. So you think infants are evil? How do you explain this?

Do you get it? Your 1st and 6th paragraph is contradictory to your other paragraphs, and therefore you are being illogical in your argument.

you are taking the bible out of context.

still one fact remains. if you choose to use the bible. then you indirectly agree that their is a God, and life is his property and he can do anything with it.

but a person does not have that ownership hence he cannot do what God can do.

you refuse to see the divine reason for everything. and wou choose not to see it.

 

[gnostic]

you are taking the bible out of context.

Look who's talking.

I quoted the bible, more specifically where God ordered the killing of infants. So how am I taking this out of context?

Do you even know what taking "out of context" means?

you refuse to see the divine reason for everything. and wou choose not to see it.

And you refuses to see what's under your nose. I gave you a quote, and it is clear as daylight, who is ultimately responsible for those infants killed in the slaughter.

still one fact remains. if you choose to use the bible. then you indirectly agree that their is a God, and life is his property and he can do anything with it.

There you go again. You are trying to change the subject. If this topic is not to your liking, then feel free to go elsewhere. This is not a topic about the real or imaginary existence of God.

but a person does not have that ownership hence he cannot do what God can do.

Ownership or not, it doesn't change the fact that God still ordered those Israelites to kill Amalekite women and infants, which I still believed to be abomination, God's will or not. Infants are infants, and it doesn't matter if that one child is a Jew, Christian, Roman, Greek or Amalek.

Your Jesus said that all children are precious to God, but apparently that is not true, from the stark reality of God's order to Saul in 1 Samuel 15.

He gave the laws that they should not kill, but ordered people to do so. Isn't that contradictory?

How am I taking all this out of context?

 

[Autodidact]

again i don't want to sound insulting. spare me. i had asnwers.

their probably answers that you refuse to accept. but they are my answers. and ou dont have to make a deal with me. you are accountable only to yourself.

So I take it that you are not willing to take this bet? Would you like me to take the trouble to go back and find the questions you have not answered? Will you at least bet me frubals that I will not find at least one?

 

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

The canaanites were evil, they did sexual immorality and worshipped idols. the reason why they were ordered to be killed is in so that the israelites will not be contaminated. pretty much the same reason as noah's flood.

In most cases, the Bible makes it clear that the tribes surrounding the Israelites are to be killed not because of anything they did, but because God wants to give their land to the Israelites. Occasionally there is mention of something their ancestors are supposed to have done hundreds of years ago, such as the Amalekites. Which is, of course completely unjust. And the horrible thing they did? Attack the Israelites--just as the Israelites are attacking them. Once in a while you get a mention of worshipping an idol, but in most cases, it's pure ethnic cleansing. Would you like me to cite the scripture to prove it to you?

God ordered children to be killed because it is a way to save them, if he takes them while they are kids, they don't have to pass judgement. they are automatically heirs to the kingdom of God.

So, as I said--and you failed to answer--do you have any kids? Would you like them to be killed so they can be saved?

let us not be near sighted, there is an after life, where we will not thirst.

Let us not be delusional. How do you know this?

 

[Autodidact]

That was for isrealites. salvation has been expanded to the gentiles in the time of christ.

it is like this, you cannot question the bible if you do not have full understanding of the bible.

As i said. athiest just have problems following rules. all you want to follow is your own.

I don't intend on convicing you. you cant even convince your self on anything

I'm about to stop talking to you. Stop insulting the people you're talking to and actually engage with their arguments. You're acting like a typical Christian: not only ignorant, but arrogant.

 

[Autodidact]

I answered this already. I said the belief in the righteous God prevents people from killing on the human level.

And we should believe this just because you say so? This is one of the many questions you have failed to answer, contrary to your assertion. Do you have any evidence in support of this assertion? For example, does a basically non-theist country, such as Japan, have a higher murder rate than Christian countries, such as the U.S.? Oh no, they actually have a much lower murder rate. Oh, what should we conclude, that belief in the righteous God actually causes people to kill on the human level?

btw, what other level is there, killing-wise?

in the old testament, and in the old testament only were orders to kill other races ordered as not to contaminate the israelites. the same rationale as the great flood.

Yup. The same sick, evil, stupid rationale as the flood, and as Hitler, Rwanda, Bosnia. This kind of evil persists up the present day, as long as people think in this barbaric way. Please stop.

they were killed Because people were evil and CHOSE to veer away from the creator, the creator who created life in the context of the bible. and you are using the bible. hence do not take it out of context.

Can you provide some context to show us that all of the people who were killed, including the infants, were evil and deserved the death penalty for their crimes? I eagerly await.

if people chose to serve their creator would have they been condemned? no. but people chose to follow their own rules and deviate from God's law

Which in your book deserves the death penalty, followed by eternal torment. It's a good thing your God doesn't actually exist, as if He did, the world would be so much worse than it is.

you have to take the whole old testament before making conclusions.

And what makes you think we haven't done this?

finally, at the human level in the christian era (yes their is a timeline)God no longer commands his prophets to kill another race because christ's salvation is extened to the gentiles.

Thank God that God repented and became slightly less demonic.

the old testament was about the israelites, about Gods chosen peole, those who remained faithful to him. in the bible, God created life and has the right to take it away. you chose the bible, in the bible their is a God, so do not argue using the bible like as if their isn't one.

Sorry, gibberish again. Try again.