Does belief in the Flood indicate intellectual incapacity?

[Fromper]

Surely being unable to change one's mind in the face of clear evidence is a kind of intellectual disability. The fact that it is common is irrelevant.

Like I said, it's called cognitive dissonance, and it's a standard feature of normal human minds. Including yours.

I am not willing to accord religion its usual unearned deference when confronted by that sort of behaviour.

As an atheist, I don't have any deference for religion. I do respect people, though. Just because I think someone's wrong about something, that doesn't mean they aren't worth of respect. Try to see their point of view and understand where they're coming from, and you'll not only have an easier time communicating with them and convincing them of your point of view, but you're likely to have more friends and less enemies, too.

 

[outhouse]

I believe the Genesis record has met these challenges to it's accuracy and stands as historical fact.

Only because you ignore the evidence on purpose. :slap:


It is far from fact though, it is considered mythology not fact. :sorry1:

That each person should examine the facts for themselves

YOU do not have any facts, not one! to support the mythology.


YOU would rather appeal to ignorance then face facts

 

[outhouse]

YOU have not been able to refute a single word.

YOU are no match against the brightest minds in every country around the world.

YOU do not get to discount them with any credibility.


This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, theist included, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[outhouse]

Surely being unable to change one's mind in the face of clear evidence is a kind of intellectual disability. The fact that it is common is irrelevant.

I am not willing to accord religion its usual unearned deference when confronted by that sort of behaviour.

To me it is not disability as much as lack of honesty and integrity.

 

[outhouse]

There was probably some major flooding that affected all the areas that the ancient people knew about at the time, the story about it made it into their oral tradition. turn it into a parable about trying to have a more moral society.

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The thing is we have this down to the exact date and flood.


The Euphrates flooded its banks in 2900 BC and the flood was epic.


It started ALL of the flood mythology in the region thousands of years prior to Israelites even existing.

It was even word for word in many places. the whole "Two by two" existed long before the culture of Israelites existed. This is fact. Yet it will be hand waved away without even being looked at or studied.


These people would not be happy unless we were in the dark ages again, torturing those with disbelief. Yet hypocritically use the same science they denounce in their daily lives.

 

[viole]

Here is what I think. That each person should examine the facts for themselves, and not be led blindly along by supposed authorities, religious or scientific. I believe the global deluge occurred. Despite many attempts to discredit and disprove the Bible's account of the global Deluge, I believe the Genesis record has met these challenges to it's accuracy and stands as historical fact.

I wonder why it is not taught at history classes which do not take place at sunday, though.

Ciao

- viole

 

[outhouse]

I wonder why it is not taught at history classes which do not take place at sunday, though.

Ciao

- viole

Exactly.

Not one credible college, teaches global deluge 101

 

[rusra02]

Only because you ignore the evidence on purpose. :slap:


It is far from fact though, it is considered mythology not fact. :sorry1:





YOU do not have any facts, not one! to support the mythology.


YOU would rather appeal to ignorance then face facts

No one on earth today was alive when the Flood occurred some 4,400 years ago.
The fossil and geologic evidence is open to interpretation. There seems to be little dispute the ancient world was flooded. What seems to be disputed is whether the Flood was global.
This quote, however, is appropriate: "Anthropologists have collected as many as 270 flood legends from nearly all tribes and nations. “The flood story is found throughout the world,” says scholar Claus Westermann. “Like the creation narrative, it is part of our basic cultural heritage. It is truly astonishing: everywhere on earth we find stories of a great primeval flood.” The explanation? Says expositor Enrico Galbiati: “The insistent presence of a flood tradition in different and widely separated peoples is a sign of the historical reality of the fact that lies at the base of such traditions.” More important to Christians than scholarly observations, however, is the knowledge that Jesus himself spoke of the Flood as an actual event in the history of mankind.—Luke 17:26, 27." Unlike humans today, Jesus was an eyewitness of the global Deluge, since he was alive long before the earth was created. (Quote from W01 11/15)

 

[Noaidi]

No-one is denying floods, rusra. The point in question is whether the details as outlined in the bible constitute fact.

 

[metis]

There are areas of continuous human settlement that go back prior to 4400 b.p. with absolutely not one shred of evidence that these settlements were destroyed by a universal flood.

 

[thau]

Evidence from numerous fields such as geology, genetics and archeology shows clearly that the flood of the Genesis part of the bible cannot have happened as described there.

That account may have cultural or moral value as a story, but it clearly has none as history.

There are individuals who, in the face of the above, continue to insist that the Noah's flood story actually occurred. What is one to make of this? Has their religiosity actually impaired their ability to reason? Is their stance really political and not based on actual beliefs? What gives?

Cannot answer your question.

But I hope you are not suggesting intellectual dishonesty does not exist on the side of many scientists and doubters when it comes to so many other religious claims?

 

[Looncall]

Cannot answer your question.

But I hope you are not suggesting intellectual dishonesty does not exist on the side of many scientists and doubters when it comes to so many other religious claims?

I don't know. However, the burden of proof does lie with those who make the claims.

The fact that one doubts a religious claim does not imply dishonesty.

 

[Looncall]

There are areas of continuous human settlement that go back prior to 4400 b.p. with absolutely not one shred of evidence that these settlements were destroyed by a universal flood.

Funny how rusra avoids this objection.

 

[outhouse]

No one on earth today was alive when the Flood occurred some 4,400 years ago.

To date, no global flood happened, and not one person has EVER been able to make a partially good case for it.

To date, it is mythology.

I wont even get into issues of honesty here that are being abused.

The fossil and geologic evidence is open to interpretation

NO it is not


Only certain theist object, due to BIAS.

. There seems to be little dispute the ancient world was flooded.

There is no dispute what so ever that the world NEVER flooded.

Anthropologists have collected as many as 270 flood legends from nearly all tribes and nations

because it flood everywhere on the earth ever single year


Not only that, we have the EXACT MYTHOLOGY that yours evolved from.


We even have the exact regional flood.






It is embarrassing the level of willful ignorance people display avoiding reality. Rules of honesty are not being obeyed

 

[outhouse]

YOU have not been able to refute a single word.

YOU are no match against the brightest minds in every country around the world.

YOU do not get to discount them with any credibility.


This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, theist included, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[outhouse]

Funny how rusra avoids this objection.

And every other one as well :ignore:

 

[outhouse]

But I hope you are not suggesting intellectual dishonesty does not exist on the side of many scientists and doubters when it comes to so many other religious claims?

It does not.


They only report what they can honestly test for and observe.


Science is open to mistakes, but they are honest mistakes, because they know science accepts changes. Science understands how incomplete our knowledge is on certain subjects and leaves room for improvement.


That is not something religion does.

 

[Harold]

Science is open to mistakes, but they are honest mistakes, because they know science accepts changes. Science understands how incomplete our knowledge is on certain subjects and leaves room for improvement.

Sounds like another debate.

According to Carl Baugh, a water canopy created double the atmospheric pressure to what we have today. It blocked UV radiation completely. Lead, concrete and water all stop X-rays, so this canopy prevented X-rays from entering.



Super-cooled ice was magnetically held up -- Meisner Effect. The percent of oxygen in the atmosphere was greater than today (78% nitrogen & 21% oxygen is today's level).



The electro-magnetic field around the earth was much greater than today. "Earth's magnetic strength has declined 10% in the last 150 years".



This resulted in larger living creatures and longer life. This tripled the lifespan of fruit flies; Pirhanna fish have grown much bigger than normal and the snake's venom has been altered in 4 weeks. Water Moccasins after two weeks in a hyperbaric chamber were not poisonous. Hyperbaric chambers have successfully treated MS, leprosy, cerebral palsey, stroke and autism among other maladies. Professional sports players who have been injured, recover twice as fast in hyperbaric chambers. Wounds heal in minutes rather than days.



I was thinking the flood had been proven, which part of the flood are you having a hard time with?

 

[outhouse]

I was thinking the flood had been proven,

It has been proven, proven mythology.

which part of the flood are you having a hard time with?

The factually attested flood on the Euphrates in 2900 BC.


The same very flood that spawned the flood mythology previous to Israelites existing. The same mythology the Israelites used while being exiled to EXACTLY where the mythology originated.


The wording is ever the same.


Animals "two by two" factually existed prior to Israelites existing.

According to Carl Baugh

:biglaugh::biglaugh:

 

[Looncall]

Sounds like another debate.

According to Carl Baugh, a water canopy created double the atmospheric pressure to what we have today. It blocked UV radiation completely. Lead, concrete and water all stop X-rays, so this canopy prevented X-rays from entering.



Super-cooled ice was magnetically held up -- Meisner Effect. The percent of oxygen in the atmosphere was greater than today (78% nitrogen & 21% oxygen is today's level).



The electro-magnetic field around the earth was much greater than today. "Earth's magnetic strength has declined 10% in the last 150 years".



This resulted in larger living creatures and longer life. This tripled the lifespan of fruit flies; Pirhanna fish have grown much bigger than normal and the snake's venom has been altered in 4 weeks. Water Moccasins after two weeks in a hyperbaric chamber were not poisonous. Hyperbaric chambers have successfully treated MS, leprosy, cerebral palsey, stroke and autism among other maladies. Professional sports players who have been injured, recover twice as fast in hyperbaric chambers. Wounds heal in minutes rather than days.



I was thinking the flood had been proven, which part of the flood are you having a hard time with?

How about the societies that carried happily on right through the period when you lot say your flood occurred?

How about the entire absence of any physical signs that your flood actually happened?

I am not impressed by your "argumentum ad crackpotum". So you found some kook who agreed with you. So what?