Does god make a good parent?

[Autodidact]

Where am I wrong? Show me. Does your disagreement with me make me the liar?

It depends. If you claim the Bible does not authorize ownership of slaves, then you are wrong. If you persist in making that claim after having the truth pointed out to you then yes, I would call that lying.

 

[Pegg]

he does say something against slavery. He tells us that in a world where he is in control, nobody would be a slave to anyone. Slavery would be done away with under his rule....but he is not ruling the world, mankind are ruling the world independently of him because that is what they chose to do. His words in Eccl 8:9 “Man has dominated man to his injury” indicate that he is not at all happy with how humans have treated each other.
His promise to mankind is that in a world of his making, each one will be free to live a full and happy life. He showed us on a small scale what he will do for all the nations in the near future. He freed the Isrealites from slavery, gave them a good land and looked after them...he made them a free people.
Micah 4:3 “And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. 4 And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].”


It is man who have diminished human rights...not God.

In this discussion about slavery I showed this verse from Micah which shows that in a world governed by God, slavery would not be a part of it.

I have said repeatedly that slavery is and always was a man made construct and i have shown how God gave the isrealites laws which regulated their 'already existing practice' of slavery in order to make it better.

No, God did not outlaw it because in some cases it was for the benefit of those who were poor and destitute.
No, the slavery among the isrealites was NOTHING like the cruel african slave trade which was 'once again' mans invention.

But lets ignore all that in favor of condemning God for a practice that man himself is responsible for. Same old story.

 

[waitasec]

In this discussion about slavery I showed this verse from Micah which shows that in a world governed by God, slavery would not be a part of it.

I have said repeatedly that slavery is and always was a man made construct and i have shown how God gave the isrealites laws which regulated their 'already existing practice' of slavery in order to make it better.

No, God did not outlaw it because in some cases it was for the benefit of those who were poor and destitute.
No, the slavery among the isrealites was NOTHING like the cruel african slave trade which was 'once again' mans invention.

But lets ignore all that in favor of condemning God for a practice that man himself is responsible for. Same old story.

Micah 4:3 “And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. 4 And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].”

where is slavery mentioned here...?seems the context is about 2 nations living in peace...

 

[Pegg]

Well, so was idolatry, but God outlawed it anyway. If He objects to something, he has no difficulty outlawing it. Instead, He specifically authorized it.

idolatry is not a cultural norm, it is a religious practice.

there are many aspects of the Israelite culture that God did not change but when it came to religious practices, he did so because he was giving them a new religion and all religions are based on the requirements of their God/gods.

 

[MurphtheSurf]

Micah 4:3 “And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. 4 And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].”

where is slavery mentioned here...?seems the context is about 2 nations living in peace...

Actually it's talking about a whole world at peace. Something this system of things will never accomplish.

 

[Pegg]

Micah 4:3 “And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. 4 And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].”

where is slavery mentioned here...?seems the context is about 2 nations living in peace...

'they will sit each one under HIS OWN vine'

back in ancient times there were very few land owners and many many workers/slaves who worked on the land owned by the landowner. This verse is showing that everyone will be a landowner...not only a small few and this indicates that as a landowner people will be working for themselves rather then for someone else as in the case of slaves.


But there are many more scriptures showing what Gods picture of the future will be and just as he set the Israelites free of their slavery in Egypt, so he will do so for all mankind and from all the many forms of slavery that we experience.

 

[waitasec]

'they will sit each one under HIS OWN vine'

back in ancient times there were very few land owners and many many workers/slaves who worked on the land owned by the landowner. This verse is showing that everyone will be a landowner...not only a small few and this indicates that as a landowner people will be working for themselves rather then for someone else as in the case of slaves.


But there are many more scriptures showing what Gods picture of the future will be and just as he set the Israelites free of their slavery in Egypt, so he will do so for all mankind and from all the many forms of slavery that we experience.

micah 4:3 “And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. 4 And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].”

During the reigns of Uzziah, king of Judah, and Jeroboam II, king of Israel, a period of relative peace and prosperity began to wane. This was in part due to the rise of the nation of Assyria, who, after a period of quiescence, became a potent political force in the Near East. With the rise of Assyria came a rise in military pressure upon the kingdoms of Judah and Israel.
At the same time, as trade and commerce flourished, this was done largely at the expense of small landowners and peasants, who lost their land to the greed of the wealthy classes. Rich landowners bribed judges to look favorably upon illicit land acquisitions, which resulted in a rapid disappearance of small farmers. Those who were dispossessed drifted from the countryside to the cities, which led to overcrowding in the major population centers. Micah outspokenly reproaches these practices of perverting the covenant so as to increase economic gains.
Micah, and the other minor prophets, also speak out against the lack of obedience to the Covenantal stipulations. Many aspects of the covenant had been abandoned in favor of Baal-worship and other Pagan practices. In this light, Samaria, one of the leaders in this apostasy, is condemned to destruction.
Micah’s period of activity also overlaps that of Isaiah’s, and it is possible that the two contemporaries were often mistaken for one another. Jeremaiah 26:18–20 speaks of Micah’s effect on the king, and that he and the king not only were able to meet, but also that Micah’s message was able to bring the king to repentance. However, some scholars view that it may be more probable that Isaiah was the one who caused the king’s repentance, as he, having access to the king, was much more likely to influence the king’s decisions.
-wikipedia

can you find another one?

 

[waitasec]

Actually it's talking about a whole world at peace. Something this system of things will never accomplish.

During the reigns of Uzziah, king of Judah, and Jeroboam II, king of Israel, a period of relative peace and prosperity began to wane. This was in part due to the rise of the nation of Assyria, who, after a period of quiescence, became a potent political force in the Near East. With the rise of Assyria came a rise in military pressure upon the kingdoms of Judah and Israel.
At the same time, as trade and commerce flourished, this was done largely at the expense of small landowners and peasants, who lost their land to the greed of the wealthy classes. Rich landowners bribed judges to look favorably upon illicit land acquisitions, which resulted in a rapid disappearance of small farmers. Those who were dispossessed drifted from the countryside to the cities, which led to overcrowding in the major population centers. Micah outspokenly reproaches these practices of perverting the covenant so as to increase economic gains.
Micah, and the other minor prophets, also speak out against the lack of obedience to the Covenantal stipulations. Many aspects of the covenant had been abandoned in favor of Baal-worship and other Pagan practices. In this light, Samaria, one of the leaders in this apostasy, is condemned to destruction.
Micah’s period of activity also overlaps that of Isaiah’s, and it is possible that the two contemporaries were often mistaken for one another. Jeremaiah 26:18–20 speaks of Micah’s effect on the king, and that he and the king not only were able to meet, but also that Micah’s message was able to bring the king to repentance. However, some scholars view that it may be more probable that Isaiah was the one who caused the king’s repentance, as he, having access to the king, was much more likely to influence the king’s decisions.

 

[MurphtheSurf]

With nearly all scripture, there is a greater fullfillment for the future. Most of Christendom doesn't see that, so how could the atheist?

 

[waitasec]

With nearly all scripture, there is a greater fullfillment for the future. Most of Christendom doesn't see that, so how could the atheist?

i don't get it murph, what are you waiting for?

 

[budha3]

God is the greatest parent who ever lived. He lets you screw up so that you can learn. God is all about learning; and this is also love

 

[McBell]

i don't get it murph, what are you waiting for?

um...
someone to agree with him?

 

[waitasec]

um...
someone to agree with him?

:biglaugh:

 

[waitasec]

God is the greatest parent who ever lived. He lets you screw up so that you can learn. God is all about learning; and this is also love

god is life experience

 

[MurphtheSurf]

i don't get it murph, what are you waiting for?

Someone with brains and discerning power would be lovely.

 

[waitasec]

Someone with brains and discerning power would be lovely.

seriously though...

 

[jonman122]

Someone with brains and discerning power would be lovely.

well i guess you just took yourself completely out of the picture with that one didn't you

 

[McBell]

well i guess you just took yourself completely out of the picture with that one didn't you

Damn straight he did.

 

[Thief]

And maybe God is trying to be patient....
trying to spare the rod.....

And some of this thread has the sound of children...
making noise because they want to.

What happens to noisy children?

 

[jonman122]

And maybe God is trying to be patient....
trying to spare the rod.....

And some of this thread has the sound of children...
making noise because they want to.

What happens to noisy children?

i'd imagine they turn out like you.

are you implying that beating children for being loud is ok? or having them burn for eternity?