Does It Disturb You That the US President Is a Compulsive, Blatant, Unrepentant Liar?

[leibowde84]

Question: What is an agnostic Christian?

I need to change that, as it doesn't really apply to me anymore, but here is an explanation:
According to the meaning of both terms, an "agnostic christian" is someone who has received Christian baptism and is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings, but also believes that nothing is known or can be known definitively of the existence or nature of God.

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
noun

1. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

Chris·tian
ˈkrisCHən/
noun

1. a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.

 

[DavidFirth]

I need to change that, as it doesn't really apply to me anymore, but here is an explanation:
According to the meaning of both terms, an "agnostic christian" is someone who has received Christian baptism and is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings, but also believes that nothing is known or can be known definitively of the existence or nature of God.

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
noun

1. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

Chris·tian
ˈkrisCHən/
noun

1. a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.

Okay. Thanks.

 

[Akivah]

One cannot rationally deny that Trump is a compulsive, blatant and unrepentant liar. The overt lies he has trumpeted since being in office are well documented.
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So, are you disturbed or pleased by, or indifferent to, the fact that the US President is an incessant, blatant and unrepentant liar?

Is it possible that such disregard for the truth will become a new normal?

I think it's well on its way of being the new normal. I was hoping (and am still hoping) that Trump would learn and get better. Up to now, he's shown no interest in learning. Several attributes disturb me about Trump.
1) His management style is to promote conflict among his subordinates. So there will be continuing chaos in the white house and an inability to advance a productive agenda.
2) His inability to disregard verbal attacks against him. By investing so much energy to attacking back, he has less energy to do more productive things.
3) His belief that Congress should be his subordinates and just do what he says. Congress doesn't report to him and he would do better to consider them equals to be persuaded.

 

[Nous]

Lying is acceptable in society today all the way from advertising, news reporting, and politics.

Where did you get this idea? Quote all the other elected officials who have lied as blatantly, as often, and as unrepentantly as has been documented of Trump.

 

[Nous]

I think it's well on its way of being the new normal. I was hoping (and am still hoping) that Trump would learn and get better. Up to now, he's shown no interest in learning. Several attributes disturb me about Trump.
1) His management style is to promote conflict among his subordinates. So there will be continuing chaos in the white house and an inability to advance a productive agenda.
2) His inability to disregard verbal attacks against him. By investing so much energy to attacking back, he has less energy to do more productive things.
3) His belief that Congress should be his subordinates and just do what he says. Congress doesn't report to him and he would do better to consider them equals to be persuaded.

I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[Nous]

Nope, it doesn't bother me a bit. I think he should lie more so that I couldn't care less more. I think he should chop down a cherry tree publicly, then lie about it, send the news stations in a tissy.

Do you lie like Trump does?

What is it that you think is so admirable about blatant, complusive lying? Telling lies is easy; telling the truth oftentimes takes more work.

 

[Nous]

It's more disturbing that he was the best candidate that the 2 biggest political parties could present.

How is it possible that a compulsive, blatant and unrepentant liar is "better" than Clinton? You can't name any actual acts of Clinton's that puts her below Trump's level. Right?

 

[Nous]

Disturb me? Greatly. At this point its just hoping to survive this 4 year long **** storm.

I don't think there will be 4 years of it.

 

[Revoltingest]

How is it possible that a compulsive, blatant and unrepentant liar is "better" than Clinton? You can't name any actual acts of Clinton's that puts her below Trump's level. Right?

Such hubris & presumption....a sign of a true believer.
You focus upon personal traits you dislike. Many people do....rather than voting based upon agendas
a politician would implement, they base their vote upon liking the person. Without reliving the
arguments about who is worse, Hilda or Donald, let's just agree that we differ on which is less evil.

 

[Nous]

Well to tell you the truth I would have preferred Ross Perot, but since my only real choices were Hillary and Trump there was no choice other than the present President. So, as long as he doesn't get us involved in a nation building conflict and improves the economy I could care less what he says.
Actions speak louder than words.

Trump's only noteworthy actions so far are his false words.

 

[Nous]

You cannot accept that many of us really did think that she was the worse choice?

None of the many of you "really did think that [Clinton] was the worse choice" have articulated any rational reason for that conclusion.

 

[Nous]

Objection.
Defining lie as simply being wrong makes everyone a, how do you put it "compulsive, blatant and unrepentant liar".

Quote the statements here where you have lied as much, as blatantly and as unrepentantly as Trump has.

As the NY Times article says:

We have set a conservative standard here, leaving out many dubious statements (like the claim that his travel ban is “similar” to Obama administration policy). Some people may still take issue with this standard, arguing that the president wasn't speaking literally. But we believe his long pattern of using untruths to serve his purposes, as a businessman and politician, means that his statements are not simply careless errors.

We are using the word “lie” deliberately. Not every falsehood is deliberate on Trump's part. But it would be the height of naïveté to imagine he is merely making honest mistakes. He is lying.​

President Trump’s Lies, the Definitive List

You may choose to be that naive or dishonest about Trump overt lies; I won't.

 

[Nous]

She admits that her vote on Iraq was wrong, yet she advocated for military action in Libya, then walked away which lead to Benghazi and a failed state.

So, the worst you can come up with on Clinton is that she admitted her vote on Iraq was wrong, advocated military action in Libya, then "walked away"?

 

[Nous]

I need to change that, as it doesn't really apply to me anymore, but here is an explanation:
According to the meaning of both terms, an "agnostic christian" is someone who has received Christian baptism and is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings, but also believes that nothing is known or can be known definitively of the existence or nature of God.

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
noun

1. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

Chris·tian
ˈkrisCHən/
noun

1. a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.

Oh, thanks. I've been wondering about that,too. I thought the phrase was kind of oxymoronic. Now I see it isn't.

 

[Revoltingest]

None of the many of you "really did think that [Clinton] was the worse choice" have articulated any rational reason for that conclusion.

Let me correct your approach to discussion.....
1) Don't presume that you have The Truth, & that to disagree is to be wrongo pongo.
2) Don't ask loaded questions....ask real questions so that you can learn what others think.
3) Don't try so hard to win. You can't when differences are matters of opinions & values.
4) Don't act like a lawyer cross examining a hostile witness. It engenders disinterest.
5) Pretend to have respect for & interest in the other person.
@Quetzal does, & he's so sincere that I have no idea he secretly thinks I'm deluded.
It's a sign of great intellect & maturity.

As for my evaluations of Hilda & The Donald, those discussions are so last year.
If you missed them...if you won't search for them...that's just tough noogies.

 

[Nous]

Let me correct your approach to discussion.....
1) Don't presume that you have The Truth, & that to disagree is to be wrongo pongo.
2) Don't ask loaded questions....ask real questions so that you can learn what others think.
3) Don't try so hard to win. You can't when differences are matters of opinions & values.
4) Don't act like a lawyer cross examining a hostile witness. It engenders disinterest.
5) Pretend to have respect for & interest in the other person.
@Quetzal does, & he's so sincere that I have no idea he secretly thinks I'm deluded.
It's a sign of great intellect & maturity.

As for my evaluations of Hilda & The Donald, those discussions are so last year.
If you missed them...if you won't search for them...that's just tough noogies.

I take it that means you can't articulate any rational reason to conclude that Clinton was a worse choice for President than Trump.

 

[Revoltingest]

I take it that means you can't articulate any rational reason......

Yes, you do exactly that.
Now ask yourself....
Why would he want to converse with me?

 

[Flame]

I don't think there will be 4 years of it.

As much as I would love to see Trump dumped out of the White House, I really don't want to deal with Pence either for the rest of the term.

 

[esmith]

Trump's only noteworthy actions so far are his false words.

Ah the words of a true denier

How about these to start with
The big one Supreme Court Justice appointment
Repeal of many of the Obama's executive orders
Approving the Keystone XL and Dakota pipelines
Scrapped the Obama's rules limiting fracking on federal lands
Rolled back the Obama administration’s most controversial regulations, including the Clean Power Plan and Waters of the U.S. rule, and began opening up new areas on and off shore for energy exploration, scrapped emissions regulations at oil drilling sites, launched a review of national monuments to possibly free up more federal land for energy development, tossed rules aimed at limiting fracking, and taken a host of other steps.
Pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord
He signed 13 Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolutions in his first 100 days, more than any other President. These resolutions nullified unnecessary regulations and block agencies from reissuing them.Since CRA resolutions were introduced under President Clinton, they’ve been used only once, under President George W. Bush.
Signed two executive memos that instruct immigration officers to take a much tougher approach towards enforcing existing measures. Hence illegal border crossing are down
The UN Security Council sanctions against North Korea

Some of the above were copied/pasted with editing from Donald Trump’s energy, environment accomplishments stand out in first six months

 

[esmith]

So, the worst you can come up with on Clinton is that she admitted her vote on Iraq was wrong, advocated military action in Libya, then "walked away"?

you forgot leaving a failed state and I'll add another safe haven for terrorist.