Does It Disturb You That the US President Is a Compulsive, Blatant, Unrepentant Liar?

[Twilight Hue]

It isn't a list of lies.

You can't present any evidence by which to conclude that lying such as Trump is documented to do is "socially acceptable," do you?

If nothing is actually done, no recourse, then yes, society finds it acceptable.

 

[esmith]

Now THAT is truly funny.

Note: I edited my remarks after you posted. Took me a couple of min to figure out I didn't mean to say what I said. Anyhoo glad I was helpful

 

[Nous]

No, I don't find it stressful to engage in a reasonable discussion, I just think it is a waste of time to engage in discussion with someone who is unreasonable and is somewhat of a serial exaggerator.

Obviously you haven't shown anything I've said to be false. Apparently you are offended by the facts.

 

[Nous]

If nothing is actually done, no recourse, then yes, society finds it acceptable.

Obviously you haven't been able to provide any evidence that other politicians are blatant, compulsive and unrepentant liars such as Trump is, nor have you cited any evidence by which to conclude that this society finds such lying "acceptable".

 

[esmith]

Ah the words of a true denier

How about these to start with
The big one Supreme Court Justice appointment
Repeal of many of the Obama's executive orders
Approving the Keystone XL and Dakota pipelines
Scrapped the Obama's rules limiting fracking on federal lands
Rolled back the Obama administration’s most controversial regulations, including the Clean Power Plan and Waters of the U.S. rule, and began opening up new areas on and off shore for energy exploration, scrapped emissions regulations at oil drilling sites, launched a review of national monuments to possibly free up more federal land for energy development, tossed rules aimed at limiting fracking, and taken a host of other steps.
Pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord
He signed 13 Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolutions in his first 100 days, more than any other President. These resolutions nullified unnecessary regulations and block agencies from reissuing them.Since CRA resolutions were introduced under President Clinton, they’ve been used only once, under President George W. Bush.
Signed two executive memos that instruct immigration officers to take a much tougher approach towards enforcing existing measures. Hence illegal border crossing are down
The UN Security Council sanctions against North Korea

Some of the above were copied/pasted with editing from Donald Trump’s energy, environment accomplishments stand out in first six months

Gorsuch has not demonstrated any excellence on the Supreme Court yet. His opinion on the issue of same-sex parents' names on their children's birth certificates in Arkansas, for instance, would embarrass most federal judges.

All of the these acts are noteworthy only in their shamefulness.

For instance, how many tens or hundreds of thousands of people will become sick or die because of Trump's effort to revive the coal industry?

Oh, get over it. You asked me I didn't ask you, if you didn't like the answers why did you ask me.

Obviously you haven't shown anything I've said to be false. Apparently you are offended by the facts.

The only problem is that you supplied no facts only opinion. So when you can supply the facts I might consider a rebuttal (but that would be a waste of time since there are no facts for you to find, only the opinion of the detractors.)

 

[Twilight Hue]

Obviously you haven't been able to provide any evidence that other politicians are blatant, compulsive and unrepentant liars such as Trump is, nor have you cited any evidence by which to conclude that this society finds such lying "acceptable".

Oh brother.

If you can't see all the persistent lying going on all around you, then data isn't going to very useful to you either. It seems strange that evidence is needed in order to see any of this. This stuff is pretty self explanatory. Eh ok.

You must have pretty honest and straightforward politicians in your area.

 

[metis]

If you can't see all the persistent lying going on all around you, then data isn't going to very useful to you either.

Again, just another false equivalency by those trying to do the impossible, namely to try and make Trump appear to be normal. Just look at the poll numbers here and internationally if you honestly think your message is selling.

IOW, all politicians lie, but they don't all lie with the same frequency.

 

[Nous]

Oh brother.

If you can't see all the persistent lying going on all around you, then data isn't going to very useful to you either. It seems strange that evidence is needed in order to see any of this. This stuff is pretty self explanatory. Eh ok.

You must have pretty honest and straightforward politicians in your area.

Trump's complusive lies are documented in the articles cited in the OP. If your claims of other elected officials lying like Trump does had any basis in reality, you would be able to cite that evidence.

Fabricating more lies about the alleged dishonesty of other politicians does not excuse Trump's lying.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Trump's complusive lies are documented in the articles cited in the OP. If your claims of other elected officials lying like Trump does had any basis in reality, you would be able to cite that evidence.

Fabricating more lies about the alleged dishonesty of other politicians does not excuse Trump's lying.

Oh

Your looking for someone specific that can beat Trump at lying.

 

[Nous]

The only problem is that you supplied no facts only opinion. So when you can supply the facts I might consider a rebuttal (but that would be a waste of time since there are no facts for you to find, only the opinion of the detractors.)

Here's Gorsuch's opinion in Pavan v. Smith, where Roberts shows that he didn't even understand the law. Defend it.

Here is the 2010 study that found that smoke from coal-fired power plants causes 13,200 premature deaths per year in the US, in addition to nearly 10,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 heart attacks. Trump's efforts will only increase such death and disability.

 

[Nous]

Oh

Your looking for someone specific that can beat Trump at lying.

So you're not able to show that your claims of other politicians lying compulsively like Trump does have any basis in reality.

Again, it just adds delusion on top of lies to try to justify and excuse Trump's pathological lying.

 

[esmith]

Here's Gorsuch's opinion in Pavan v. Smith, where Roberts shows that he didn't even understand the law. Defend it.

Nope, I agree with Gorsuch's opinion and I am not a lawyer.
P.S. your link is formatted wrong

Here is the 2010 study that found that smoke from coal-fired power plants causes 13,200 premature deaths per year in the US, in addition to nearly 10,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 heart attacks. Trump's efforts will only increase such death and disability.

What study?
P.S. your link is formatted wrong
Obviously you need to work on how you represent a link neither work
This is how you do it
enclose url=xxxxxxxx in brackets where xxxxxxxx is the link
add the Name you want to use following the close bracket ]
follow name with [/url]

 

[Nous]

Nope, I agree with Gorsuch's opinion

You can't defend it but you agree with it? Why do you agree with an opinion that you can't defend?

I didn't do any formatting of the hyperlinks, just copied and pasted. They work for me. Try clicking:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/16-992_868c.pdf

http://www.catf.us/resources/publications/files/The_Toll_from_Coal.pdf

 

[esmith]

You can't defend it but you agree with it? Why do you agree with an opinion that you can't defend?

Because I thought he was right, and the main reason is I don't have the inclination to do so. And second it isn't that important to me.

The article on coal. First I could find no information about the organization Clean Air Task Force. Therefore without that information I can't say whether they have decided on a result and used research to qualify that result/opinion.
Further suggest you read the following Lean and clean: why modern coal-fired power plants are better by design

I didn't do any formatting of the hyperlinks, just copied and pasted. They work for me. Try clicking:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/16-992_868c.pdf

http://www.catf.us/resources/publications/files/The_Toll_from_Coal.pdf

Well it appears that when I first looked at you post #151 the links would not work, for some reason the links in that post now work.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

One cannot rationally deny that Trump is a compulsive, blatant and unrepentant liar. The overt lies he has trumpeted since being in office are well documented. By defining “lie” conservatively, as a demonstrably false statement, the authors of a New York Times article found that Trump told a public lie on at least 20 of his first 40 days in office. “But based on a broader standard -- one that includes his many misleading statements (like exaggerating military spending in the Middle East) -- Trump achieved something remarkable: He said something untrue, in public, every day for the first 40 days of his presidency." The article goes on to show that Trump's days without a lie are generally only those when he isn't Tweeting or is on vacation.

A Washington Post article shows that Trump made 29 false or misleading statements during a 26-hour period on July 24th and July 25th.

Timothy O'Brien notes that a decade ago, during Trump's deposition in his defamation suit stemming from O'Brien's biography TrumpNation, lawyers compelled Trump to admit to 30 lies he had told over the years relating to his businesses and wealth. Indeed, the suit focused largely on the 3 anonymous sources O'Brien used to estimate Trump's net worth, a figure that Trump was unwilling to pin down or be consistent about. According to O'Brien, these sources were “people with direct knowledge of Donald's finances, people who had worked closely with him for years.” O'Brien interviewed and re-interviewed them, and provided his notes to the court, which stated, “The notes are significant, in that they provide remarkably similar estimates of Trump's net worth, thereby suggesting the accuracy of the information conveyed.” At the time, while Trump was hinting to interviewers “that his wealth is somewhere between $2 billion and $6 billion,” O'Brien's sources calculated it be between $250-350 million. Trump lost the case. Trump v. O'Brien.

So, are you disturbed or pleased by, or indifferent to, the fact that the US President is an incessant, blatant and unrepentant liar?

Is it possible that such disregard for the truth will become a new normal?

What does one say to one's children or grandchildren about it? Would you express approval if your children or grandchildren had such diffident relationship with the truth as Trump demonstrates?

How do or should our allies deal withTrump's lying? Can or should they trust the US to do or not do what the President promises to do or not do?

A better title for this thread would be ; '
Does It Disturb You That the elite media Is a Compulsive, Blatant, Unrepentant Liar(s)?

Another even more truthful title; Does it disturb you that presidential candidates must be rich, or be rich, lastly must be rich or command enough funds to be considered rich? Trump won be because many Americans were FED UP with recent past presidents (read as Obama and other weak Marxists) that were inserted in the white house by the arefore mentioned rich little trembling tea cup Chihuahua liberals. They and their proctologist and gamble [sic] type funded special interest groups (call em PACs) that are still trembling and in shock by the election, much like the grand dragon KKK big daddies must of experienced when Obama won the presidency.

HEY, GET USED TO IT, Trump won. Yes even now he has his finger on the nuclear button and I bet he is just itching to push it. However wasn't it Obama's administration that told us North Korea was DECADES from building an A bomb, then after Kim and company irradiated a 40 square miles of China's back yard DECADES ahead of Obama's promise, they said they were building an ICBM.....yeah same story from Obama aint gonna happen.....well after that it was said they were DECADES away from miniaturizing an A bomb.....

Its not TRUMPs fault that we find ourselves with our back against the wall! No it was the whiny on his knees apologist Obama type 'negotiating' that allowed Kim the bot fly to do all of the above. I'll admit I am fearful of a nuclear war maybe WW3, which will be the last war to speak of for two or three hundred years after north Korea is reduced to ash and if China and Russia don't make the elimination of half of north Korea an issue. Yeah....right.

Just in case China might reconsider their pledge not to get involved, and that strong cone head Russian Strong man wont take any action as the USA conducts the megaton shuffle on the goofey Kims beach ball head, I must go. I have work to do on my fall out shelter. So alas; I leave you all' my beloved fellow members (even the libs and such) with the words of Commander Taylor in the original Planet of the Apes movie....

Scene the statue of liberty sticking half out of a sandy beach; George Taylor (played by Charleston Heston) : "Oh my God. I'm back. I'm home. All the time, it was... We finally really did it. [screaming] "You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

That sounds about right ...so its no surprise that we all gonna die as per prophesy because of GREED. But I think maybe WW3 ain't going to happen...yet. An limited nuclear war first then maybe Armageddon. God help us.

; {>


Einstein — ‘I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

 

[metis]

I think I'll just let the above post stand without comment.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Ha ha ha ha...... good move.

; {>

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Still better than obama

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Indeed~ Strange 'bedfellows' we.

; {>

 

[Nous]

Because I thought he was right

So, in other words, your thought processes consist of circular reasoning--you think anything he says is "right" because you agree with him.

I think Gorsuch will eventually demonstrate his excellence, as his opinions on the circuit court did. But in his unpopular dissent in Parvan, he obviously didn't understand the statute or Obergefell.

The article on coal. First I could find no information about the organization Clean Air Task Force.

You don't know how to do the Google? I took me a fraction of a second to locate this:
About Us - Clean Air Task Force (CATF)

Therefore without that information I can't say whether they have decided on a result and used research to qualify that result/opinion.

False. You don't need information about CATF in order to evaluate the facts cited in the article on death and disability caused by smoke from coal plants.