Does It Disturb You That the US President Is a Compulsive, Blatant, Unrepentant Liar?

[Nous]

As much as I would love to see Trump dumped out of the White House, I really don't want to deal with Pence either for the rest of the term.

Other than Trump, Pence is about the last person I would like to see in the White House. However, I think he will be much less dangerous and otherwise offensive than Trump. I listed a few reasons in the OP and #39 here:
Reasons Why Pence Will Make a Better or Worse President Than Trump

 

[Twilight Hue]

Where did you get this idea? Quote all the other elected officials who have lied as blatantly, as often, and as unrepentantly as has been documented of Trump.

I'm not going to quote every lying politician. Are you nuts? ;0)

Here's an older list though. Democrats take the lead.....

Lying Politicians: The Worst Liars In American Politics

Do with it as you will.

 

[Nous]

Ah the words of a true denier

How about these to start with
The big one Supreme Court Justice appointment

Gorsuch has not demonstrated any excellence on the Supreme Court yet. His opinion on the issue of same-sex parents' names on their children's birth certificates in Arkansas, for instance, would embarrass most federal judges.

Repeal of many of the Obama's executive orders
Approving the Keystone XL and Dakota pipelines
Scrapped the Obama's rules limiting fracking on federal lands
Rolled back the Obama administration’s most controversial regulations, including the Clean Power Plan and Waters of the U.S. rule, and began opening up new areas on and off shore for energy exploration, scrapped emissions regulations at oil drilling sites, launched a review of national monuments to possibly free up more federal land for energy development, tossed rules aimed at limiting fracking, and taken a host of other steps.
Pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord
He signed 13 Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolutions in his first 100 days, more than any other President. These resolutions nullified unnecessary regulations and block agencies from reissuing them.Since CRA resolutions were introduced under President Clinton, they’ve been used only once, under President George W. Bush.
Signed two executive memos that instruct immigration officers to take a much tougher approach towards enforcing existing measures. Hence illegal border crossing are down
The UN Security Council sanctions against North Korea

All of the these acts are noteworthy only in their shamefulness.

For instance, how many tens or hundreds of thousands of people will become sick or die because of Trump's effort to revive the coal industry?

 

[Nous]

I'm not going to quote every lying politician. Are you nuts? ;0)

Here's an older list though. Democrats take the lead.....

Lying Politicians: The Worst Liars In American Politics

I didn't see a single lie quoted there, much less any such number of blatant lies such as Trump has told just since being in office.

 

[osgart]

the real question is how do you cultivate a better voting choice than Hilary and Donald?

it's voting between two evils. it's the reflection of degenerating morals in our country.

republicans and democrats are failures.

 

[Nous]

the real question is how do you cultivate a better voting choice than Hilary and Donald?

That isn't the question on this thread.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I didn't see a single lie quoted there, much less any such number of blatant lies such as Trump has told just since being in office.

Told you it was an older list.

 

[Twilight Hue]

the real question is how do you cultivate a better voting choice than Hilary and Donald?

it's voting between two evils. it's the reflection of degenerating morals in our country.

republicans and democrats are failures.

I've been studying a bit on how past parties lived and died in US history. Ironic though when you consider that at one time, both the Republican party and Democrat party were originally together as one party.

 

[columbus]

Ah the words of a true denier

How about these to start with
The big one Supreme Court Justice appointment
Repeal of many of the Obama's executive orders
Approving the Keystone XL and Dakota pipelines
Scrapped the Obama's rules limiting fracking on federal lands
Rolled back the Obama administration’s most controversial regulations, including the Clean Power Plan and Waters of the U.S. rule, and began opening up new areas on and off shore for energy exploration, scrapped emissions regulations at oil drilling sites, launched a review of national monuments to possibly free up more federal land for energy development, tossed rules aimed at limiting fracking, and taken a host of other steps.
Pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord
He signed 13 Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolutions in his first 100 days, more than any other President. These resolutions nullified unnecessary regulations and block agencies from reissuing them.Since CRA resolutions were introduced under President Clinton, they’ve been used only once, under President George W. Bush.
Signed two executive memos that instruct immigration officers to take a much tougher approach towards enforcing existing measures. Hence illegal border crossing are down
The UN Security Council sanctions against North Korea

Some of the above were copied/pasted with editing from Donald Trump’s energy, environment accomplishments stand out in first six months

Are these perhaps the reasons that the American people voted for someone else?

Tom

 

[Twilight Hue]

Anyways volume aside, how are Trump's lies in substance are any better or worse than any of the other lies have been uttered by politicians in the past?

I don't see anyone really reeling over it other than talking heads, and those with a fondness for debating, general whining, and lamenting on how just gawd awful everything is because Trump was a fairly elected US president when nothing significant so far has happened with the US in general, aside from the preceding messes which by tradition, is always inherited by each incoming POTUS.

 

[metis]

How about these to start with
Repeal of many of the Obama's executive orders

Approving the Keystone XL and Dakota pipelines

Scrapped the Obama's rules limiting fracking on federal lands

Rolled back the Obama administration’s most controversial regulations, including the Clean Power Plan and Waters of the U.S. rule, and began opening up new areas on and off shore for energy exploration, scrapped emissions regulations at oil drilling sites, launched a review of national monuments to possibly free up more federal land for energy development, tossed rules aimed at limiting fracking, and taken a host of other steps.

Pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord

He signed 13 Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolutions in his first 100 days, more than any other President. These resolutions nullified unnecessary regulations and block agencies from reissuing them.Since CRA resolutions were introduced under President Clinton, they’ve been used only once, under President George W. Bush.

Signed two executive memos that instruct immigration officers to take a much tougher approach towards enforcing existing measures. Hence illegal border crossing are down

The UN Security Council sanctions against North Korea

If I was anti-American, these are the kind of things I would hope would be passed because of the harm these can cause to people who live here. Ya, let's do the things that help destroy our lands and waters and our climate, add more guns to kill more people, ramp up our more war-mongering rhetoric, and do the best to really upset even our best allies.

"To cooperate with evil is evil".-- Gandhi

 

[Quetzal]

You rang?

@Quetzal does, & he's so sincere that I have no idea he secretly thinks I'm deluded.
It's a sign of great intellect & maturity.

WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?!

 

[Quetzal]

Ah the words of a true denier

How about these to start with
The big one Supreme Court Justice appointment
Repeal of many of the Obama's executive orders
Approving the Keystone XL and Dakota pipelines
Scrapped the Obama's rules limiting fracking on federal lands
Rolled back the Obama administration’s most controversial regulations, including the Clean Power Plan and Waters of the U.S. rule, and began opening up new areas on and off shore for energy exploration, scrapped emissions regulations at oil drilling sites, launched a review of national monuments to possibly free up more federal land for energy development, tossed rules aimed at limiting fracking, and taken a host of other steps.
Pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord
He signed 13 Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolutions in his first 100 days, more than any other President. These resolutions nullified unnecessary regulations and block agencies from reissuing them.Since CRA resolutions were introduced under President Clinton, they’ve been used only once, under President George W. Bush.
Signed two executive memos that instruct immigration officers to take a much tougher approach towards enforcing existing measures. Hence illegal border crossing are down
The UN Security Council sanctions against North Korea

Some of the above were copied/pasted with editing from Donald Trump’s energy, environment accomplishments stand out in first six months

I can easily see why these things would be desirable to voters that put him into office. I have no quarrel there even if I disagree with some of these. My one criticism, though, is that they were unilateral decisions. Well within his right to do, but in my perfect world I would have rather seen this go through the process. I hold this stance for any president. Executive orders make me nervous sometimes.

 

[metis]

My one criticism, though, is that there were unilateral decisions. Well within his right to do, but in my perfect world I would have rather seen this go through the process. I hold this stance for any president. Executive orders make me nervous sometimes.

And how many times did we see Republicans here rant, rave, and whine about Obama's e.o.'s, but when their guy takes office, it's all fine and dandy.

 

[esmith]

Gorsuch has not demonstrated any excellence on the Supreme Court yet. His opinion on the issue of same-sex parents' names on their children's birth certificates in Arkansas, for instance, would embarrass most federal judges.

All of the these acts are noteworthy only in their shamefulness.

For instance, how many tens or hundreds of thousands of people will become sick or die because of Trump's effort to revive the coal industry?

Oh, get over it. You asked me I didn't ask you, if you didn't like the answers why did you ask me.

 

[Nous]

Told you it was an older list.

It isn't a list of lies.

You can't present any evidence by which to conclude that lying such as Trump is documented to do is "socially acceptable," do you?

 

[Nous]

Oh, get over it. You asked me I didn't ask you, if you didn't like the answers why did you ask me.

I didn't ask you anything. I pointed out the fact--which you are apparently you wish to deny--that as President Trump's only noteworthy acts are his false words. You copied and pasted a list of his shameful acts, such as his desire to wreck the environment and kill a bunch of Americans with fumes from coal plants. His non-verbal acts are only noteworthy in their shamefulness.

If you find it too stressful to engage in a discussion about politics or Trump in particular, then you should consider not doing so.

 

[Nous]

Anyways volume aside, how are Trump's lies in substance are any better or worse than any of the other lies have been uttered by politicians in the past?

Trump's lies are many times more numerous, because he is a compulsive liar, and, because of their blatantness and stupidity, are many times more offensive to intelligent people's intelligence.

 

[esmith]

I didn't ask you anything. I pointed out the fact--which you are apparently you wish to deny--that as President Trump's only noteworthy acts are his false words. You copied and pasted a list of his shameful acts, such as his desire to wreck the environment and kill a bunch of Americans with fumes from coal plants. His non-verbal acts are only noteworthy in their shamefulness.

If you find it too stressful to engage in a discussion about politics or Trump in particular, then you should consider not doing so.

No, I don't find it stressful to engage in a reasonable discussion, I just think it is a waste of time to engage in discussion with someone who is unreasonable and is somewhat of a serial exaggerator.

 

[metis]

No, I don't find it stressful to engage in a reasonable discussion, I just think it is a waste of time to engage in discussion with someone who is unreasonable and uses vitriol to attempt to make a point.

Now THAT is truly funny.