Does It Disturb You That the US President Is a Compulsive, Blatant, Unrepentant Liar?

[Nous]

A better title for this thread would be ; '
Does It Disturb You That the elite media Is a Compulsive, Blatant, Unrepentant Liar(s)?

No, that isn't a better title for the thread; that would be a delusional title for the thread. The OP is about the fact that Trump is a compulsive, blatant and unrepentant liar. Why don't you try answering the questions asked in the OP?

 

[Nous]

Still better than obama

Then why don't you try answering the questions in the OP?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Then why don't you try answering the questions in the OP?

Mostly because I don't care what you think, and your questions are tiresome.

 

[Nous]

Mostly because I don't care what you think, and your questions are tiresome.

What are your comments but both tiresome and irrelevant?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

What are your comments but both tiresome and irrelevant?

Interesting enough for you to single them out and address them, apparently.

 

[Nous]

Interesting enough for you to single them out and address them, apparently.

There's no reason to be so deluded as to think that I challenged you to answer the questions asked in the OP due to your irrelevant comments being "interesting".

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

There's no reason to be so deluded as to think that I challenged you to answer the questions asked in the OP due to your irrelevant comments being "interesting".

Yet respond you did, to a comment not addressed to you, and you continue to do so.

Spin it how you will sweetheart.

 

[Sha'irullah]

MUST . . . NOT . . . . . RAGE!
. . . . MUST . . . . . RESIST . . . . URGE . . . TO . . . . RAAAANT . . . . . MUST . . . . RESIST! ​

 

[james dixon]

I could care less if my neighbor or someone passing me in the street is a pathological liar but I do care if the President of the US is because he is speaking on my (citizen) behalf making me a liar too.

So yes, it disturbs me.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's more disturbing that he was the best candidate that the 2 biggest political parties could present.
I just hope we can go 4 years with no new wars.

Was he really "the best candidate?" Or was he, rather, the one chosen for reasons that are simply not well-understood? I haven't any doubt whatever that there were, among both parties, candidates immensely better qualified for high office than Donald Trump. But that speaks to the potential failures that populism is prone to, don't you think?

At its worst, populism the way I mean it describes the appeal to the uglier "angels of our nature" -- our fears, our prejudices and our lusts -- in order to get us to ignore our own ability to reason dispassionately. (I do indeed think almost all of us possess that ability, and when our reason is appealed to in decent debate, we respond mostly appropriately. But when was the last time you actually saw "decent debate based on reason" in the political forum?)

 

[james dixon]

The electoral college got trump into office, not by the peoples vote so reasoning this out by looking at voter views at the time is irrelevant.

The discussion should be about the electoral college and yet no one is discussing this. I must ask, is this out of ignorance in the election process?

My bet is few know what the electoral college is and school government classes never discuss it either.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Why heck Obama and Hillary been doing that for 8yrs, and you blame Trump. Al Gore been lying to people since he started to promote climate change to get money off people.
What about Hillary's Russian deal over the uranium and Obama giving Millions of money to Iran to support their Nuclear power and weapons deal.
All the while black communitys are still in Proverty.
What about democrate AG John Kerry who was over in Kenya African getting involved with their elections, PBS news was there and has John Kerry on camera.
And Liberal Democrates talk about Russia, What a joke
What about Democrates back in 1863 was fighting to keep blacks in Slavery, and the KKK joined the Democratic party in 1922 to fight to keep blacks in Proverty.

It was Republican President Abraham Lincoln who freed the blacks from Slavery in 1863 and then after Republican President Abraham Lincoln was killed another Republican President gave African Americans the right to vote in 1869.

What about Nancy Pelosi father dedicating Confederate statues, all all the while Nancy Pelosi was out a few weeks back found condemning and helping to protest against the very Statues her father help to dedicate.
It was the Democratic party who built those Confederate Statues and place them around Government buildings in the first place.
What's up with all that.Go Figure Liberal Democrates.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The electoral college got trump into office, not by the peoples vote so reasoning this out by looking at voter views at the time is irrelevant.

The discussion should be about the electoral college and yet no one is discussing this. I must ask, is this out of ignorance in the election process?

My bet is few know what the electoral college is and school government classes never discuss it either.

The electoral college is what makes sure that each State has a voice in who is elected, other wise if it wasn't for the electoral college, The State of California and the State of Philadelphia and one or two other States would determined for the rest of us, Who the President would be. And you sure wouldn't have no voice in who is elected as President.
That's why the founding fathers put in place the electoral college system. Not to leave it to any two or three State's to determine for the rest of us who would be President.
That's why we have the electoral college system.
Go Figure.

 

[Faithofchristian]

One cannot rationally deny that Trump is a compulsive, blatant and unrepentant liar. The overt lies he has trumpeted since being in office are well documented. By defining “lie” conservatively, as a demonstrably false statement, the authors of a New York Times article found that Trump told a public lie on at least 20 of his first 40 days in office. “But based on a broader standard -- one that includes his many misleading statements (like exaggerating military spending in the Middle East) -- Trump achieved something remarkable: He said something untrue, in public, every day for the first 40 days of his presidency." The article goes on to show that Trump's days without a lie are generally only those when he isn't Tweeting or is on vacation.

A Washington Post article shows that Trump made 29 false or misleading statements during a 26-hour period on July 24th and July 25th.

Timothy O'Brien notes that a decade ago, during Trump's deposition in his defamation suit stemming from O'Brien's biography TrumpNation, lawyers compelled Trump to admit to 30 lies he had told over the years relating to his businesses and wealth. Indeed, the suit focused largely on the 3 anonymous sources O'Brien used to estimate Trump's net worth, a figure that Trump was unwilling to pin down or be consistent about. According to O'Brien, these sources were “people with direct knowledge of Donald's finances, people who had worked closely with him for years.” O'Brien interviewed and re-interviewed them, and provided his notes to the court, which stated, “The notes are significant, in that they provide remarkably similar estimates of Trump's net worth, thereby suggesting the accuracy of the information conveyed.” At the time, while Trump was hinting to interviewers “that his wealth is somewhere between $2 billion and $6 billion,” O'Brien's sources calculated it be between $250-350 million. Trump lost the case. Trump v. O'Brien.

So, are you disturbed or pleased by, or indifferent to, the fact that the US President is an incessant, blatant and unrepentant liar?

Is it possible that such disregard for the truth will become a new normal?

What does one say to one's children or grandchildren about it? Would you express approval if your children or grandchildren had such diffident relationship with the truth as Trump demonstrates?

How do or should our allies deal withTrump's lying? Can or should they trust the US to do or not do what the President promises to do or not do?

It doesn't seem to bother our allies to much, since their backing Trump.

What about Hillary's uranium deal with the Russians, that you don't say anything about.
What about Bernie Sanders and his wife caught in bank fraud. Which you say nothing about.
What about Obama giving Millions of money to Iran, and giving out free Welfare to Illegal immigrants and Muslims, all the while black communitys are still in Proverty.
What about PBS reporting about democrate AG John Kerry over in Kenya Africa getting involved with their elections, which you say nothing about.
What democrate Nancy Pelosi condemning and protesting against those Confederate Statues, it was her father that dedicated those very Statues she been condemning.
It was the Democratic party in the first place who had built many of those Confederate Statues built and place at Government buildings.
It was the very democratic party that you support that fought to keep blacks in Slavery in 1863 and it was the KKK that joined the Democratic party in 1923, to help keep African Americans in Proverty.

What's up with all that, Go Figure

 

[Revoltingest]

Was he really "the best candidate?"

A contentious judgement call, eh.

Or was he, rather, the one chosen for reasons that are simply not well-understood? I haven't any doubt whatever that there were, among both parties, candidates immensely better qualified for high office than Donald Trump. But that speaks to the potential failures that populism is prone to, don't you think?

The system isn't designed to select the most qualified candidate to be President.
It's designed to select the most qualified candidate to run for President, ie, the most likely to win the race.

Silly analogy time....
It's like selecting an orthopedic surgeon by having a pie eating contest.

At its worst, populism the way I mean it describes the appeal to the uglier "angels of our nature" -- our fears, our prejudices and our lusts -- in order to get us to ignore our own ability to reason dispassionately. (I do indeed think almost all of us possess that ability, and when our reason is appealed to in decent debate, we respond mostly appropriately. But when was the last time you actually saw "decent debate based on reason" in the political forum?)

"Populism" is generally a derogatory a negative term applied to the politician who caters to the other side's desires.

 

[columbus]

The discussion should be about the electoral college and yet no one is discussing this. I must ask, is this out of ignorance in the election process?

I thought about starting a thread about this back when the election was over. The goofiness of the arguments for keeping the EC . I was kinda hoping @Nous would do it because he has better goggle-fu than I have.
Tom

 

[Faithofchristian]

Does it disturb you that the US President is a compulsive,Blatant, unrepentant lair.

To best answer this, it doesn't say which President?
Obama was a lair from the start, back in 2007 when Obama first started his campaign for President, Obama came out saying he was muslim, then he saw he was going to lose, then he came out saying he is Christian. Then afterwards Obama came out cursing Christians.

Now do tell is that not lying, to the people?

What about Obama going to the black communitys telling them how much he was going to do for them.
Then after he got elected to President, Obama done more for Illegal immigrants and refugees and Muslims handing out to them all.
All the while the black communitys stayed in Proverty, Obama lied to the black communitys just to get their Votes.

What about Hillary Clinton herself, lied to the people, by destorying her emails and server, to hide from the people, her under handed agenda.
What about Hillary's uranium deal with the Russians just to put money in her clinton foundation.
What about democrates crying how the Russians of getting involved in our elections.
All the while reported by PBS news that democrate AG John Kerry being over in Kenya Africa, getting involved in their elections.
What about Obama getting involved in Israel's election's.
What's up with all that

And yet People will point their fingers at President Donald Trump.

 

[idav]

How do or should our allies deal withTrump's lying? Can or should they trust the US to do or not do what the President promises to do or not do?

What grinds my gears about his lying is the fact that it caused people to never get a full handle on the real Trump. People keep saying things like he is so unpredictable etc., as if he keeps doing things that are so unexpected. Unpredictable is a laugh, Trump is doing exactly what an anti-science, bigoted, war-mongering, theocratic, dictator type president would be expected to do. Those who thought he wasn't those things have been duped. Regardless of what Trump says, we should expect nothing less than him acting in the interest of that awful list.

 

[Nous]

It doesn't seem to bother our allies to much, since their backing Trump.

What does any of that mean? Prove that your claims are true.

 

[Nous]

I thought about starting a thread about this back when the election was over. The goofiness of the arguments for keeping the EC . I was kinda hoping @Nous would do it because he has better goggle-fu than I have.

Thank you. I'm putting "google-fu" on my resume.