Does The Bible Contain Errors And Contradictions

[YoursTrue]

"Hate" (distaste) that is in accordance with love is directed only to sin, not to the person. "Love the sinner, hate the sin."

God can see in people's hearts but you are not God so you can't know the motives of unconverted people.

And the Bible says they can love others:

Romans 2
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Thank you. Which, by the way, brings us back to the Ten Commandments, and interestingly enough, were given to the Jews via Moses from the angel of God. Those commandments really speak of love, both for God and man.

 

[YoursTrue]

That someone can believe in it or not. I don't believe in it, but I accept you do. Do you accept that I believe differently than you?

Of course. But that (our differences) doesn't make you right or me right just because I believe the Bible is God's word or way of communicating His thoughts to mankind, and you do not. And that in itself is an interesting thought as far as I am concerned. No one is perfect. I realize I am and was a sinner and need to make amends, some of which will not occur until the resurrection of the dead. But of course, that's me, and I do not expect everyone to adhere to that.

 

[Charles Philips]

No.

Go ahead. Tell us.

None of this passing the burden of proof nonsense. You made the claims. You do the time.

You have given me much reason to doubt that.

I'm not trying to, but you seem to be straining to wish them and my request into the cornfield.

By all means, don't let me stop you from providing the explanations and reasoning to demonstrate your claims. I'm not your excuse.

Is this your acumen? So far, I am undazzled. Can you do better?

Now look here, I've given you 356 proofs and you're saying 'show me'. It has become painful obvious that you're not interested in the facts at all. They say ignorance is bliss, but they don't tell you that it's like being in the eye of a hurricane. The bliss always comes to a violent end

 

[Charles Philips]

Just what definition of wicked are you using? I think most people would say that a wicked person is someone who does wicked things.

OK, do you prefer "Bad" or "Sinful" or "Evil" or "Depraved" or "Sinister" or some other description of a wicked person. Like what are you trying to say, are you trying to water down the fact that everyone is born hating God and loving their sin and that their heart is wicked above all things. You can't sidestep the fact, that everyone is born wicked and they deserve all condemnation, age doesn't change the fact at all.

 

[Charles Philips]

Although I do not accept the NT as an authority, I realize it is an authority for Christians. Therefore I direct you to John 3:16 "For God so loved THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten son..."

See how clueless you are, that doesn't say "the whole world" first you need to learn what the word "world" means in the context of John 3:16 then come back and apologize for talking nonsense

 

[Charles Philips]

Why is that a problem for me ? and what does there being only one God have to do that you do not know the name of the God's who's command it is to kill the child for the sin of the parents ?

What is the name of this "One God" Charles .. who is the one having trouble processing simple facts .. such as what the name of the God who's command it is that we kill the child for the sin of the Idolatrous parents.

Who is the one having trouble processing the simple fact that the Israelites did not share your belief in only one God.. and thet there are more than one God mentioned in the Bible .. which the Israelites believed were real .. and worshiped alongside their National God YHWH .. and his Consort Asherah ...

So we don't care about what your beliefs are friend .. the question is of scripture is what did the Israetlites believed .. and they believed in Many Gods .. and so the Bible has many Gods .. The high God El for example .. Chief God of the Divine Council .. Ha Satan of Job --- a divinity with great Godly powers. how can you say Ha Satan is not a God .. as described in the Bible .. what is your definition of a God ??

Regardless -- none of this matters because you have no clue which God of the Bible is the one you worship.. .. which commands to follow and have absolutely no idea how to resolve the contradiction by which your One God theory cannot abide.

Do we kill the child for the sin of idolatrous parents .. or do we Let each be punished for his own sin.

Which is the command of the "One God" you worship .. and what is the name of this God ? "Is there something which is preventing you from processing simple facts" ?

Someone has brainwashed you to believe Satanic lies, as the Bible only mentions One Triune God who exists in three persons. So there are no other Gods.
I told you there are 320 000 000 imaginary gods who don't exist, but you have a mental block preventing you from understanding the truth. I believe you have been deceived by Demonic lies, because you haven't said a single true thing yet. Everything you have said is a lie, none of it is in the Bible so it all comes out of Demonic lies.
God has too many titles to list here, when Moses asked God for His name He replied "I AM" so there get that through your head, that's one of His Names but He is also Jehovah God, Father God, The Almighty Creator God, King of Kings and I'm not wasting time with an brainwashed person, who's not interested in the truth.

 

[Charles Philips]

I haven't claimed one way or the other. I was relying on you for the reasoned argument, evidence and explanation to enlighten me. Apparently, you are incapable of that based on the fact that you haven't.

No.

You give up if you like. That seems like it would probably be a good move for you considering.

In my view, a true Christian would provide the explanations, evidence and support for their claims rather than running away. You do what you feel is best to maintain your position in your personal view.

This is just one Bible passage describing the condition that we are all born in, and remain in unless Gods regenerates us, converts us and saves us from our sin nature which condemns us.

Ephesians 2:1-10

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/EPH.2.1-10
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/EPH.2.1-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

See how clueless you are, that doesn't say "the whole world" first you need to learn what the word "world" means in the context of John 3:16 then come back and apologize for talking nonsense

Erm. I speak English. I know what world means. It does NOT mean "only believers."

 

[Charles Philips]

And remember, YOUR problem is that we are discussing YOUR claims and not discussing me. I have nothing to do with YOUR claims and am not evidence supporting YOUR claims about that list of alleged biblical contradictions.

Talking about me won't save you. Following through on your personal responsibility as part of a debate and providing a rational, reasonable, evidence-based explanation demonstrating your claims will. I would expect this is easy pickins' for someone claiming to be Elect. So why all the diversion and tactics to talk about a person that is merely asking you to follow through with your burden of proof? It should be no hill for someone claiming to be a climber.

No, I made the claim which accuses all unbelievers of ignorance and I gave you 356 articles of proof so the burden is on you to prove me wrong

 

[Charles Philips]

Again with the "making this about me" strategy to avoid the demonstration of your claims. That's really taking the bull by the horns and backing up your claims. I'm so daunted.

Seems like running to me. Maybe you can show me that it isn't. I won't hold my breath.

What else you got?

I'm not sure if I shared a very important fact with you about evidence with you, but it's like this. One can provide a truck load of evidence to a blind person and find it's all useless as the blind one is not equipped to examine the evidence, or as I would say in your case "you can't handle the truth".

 

[IndigoChild5559]

No, I made the claim which accuses all unbelievers of ignorance and I gave you 356 articles of proof so the burden is on you to prove me wrong

356 articles? What do you mean?

 

[Charles Philips]

"Hate" (distaste) that is in accordance with love is directed only to sin, not to the person. "Love the sinner, hate the sin."

God can see in people's hearts but you are not God so you can't know the motives of unconverted people.

And the Bible says they can love others:

Romans 2
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

I'm sorry to have to correct you again, but God said He hates certain people before they're even born. There are many examples but I'll just cite one here for the sake of time.

Romans 9:10-13

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

You can see here that God hated Esau before he was born, remember God can see the future as if it had already happened. He knew Esau would sell his soul, that's why He hated him before he was born.

 

[Charles Philips]

Can you define "wicked"? Usually it means morally bad or evil. How is baby enough evolved to be capable of something like this? Do you think they already have moral responsibility? Acts that can be morally evaluated are acts that are freely chosen in consequence of a judgment of conscience.

I'm not appealing to, the (corrupt human reasoning) here. I'm pointing out how God sees everyone, He sees into the future and He knows every baby is born with a heart that is wicked above all things.

God doesn't need to wait for the criminal to grow up before they rape and murder. He hates them before they are born. It's not His fault He can see the future as if i had already come to pass. That's our problem, the police with for the murderer to kill before they arrest him. God doesn't have the same constraints as the police do, He is sovereign over everyone and everything.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I'm not sure if I shared a very important fact with you about evidence with you, but it's like this. One can provide a truck load of evidence to a blind person and find it's all useless as the blind one is not equipped to examine the evidence, or as I would say in your case "you can't handle the truth".

Yes, you've made reference to this escape mechanism before. It is important only to the person claiming it as a hope to buffalo others and avoid presenting evidence. It is an old tactic and still useless except to reveal further the intentions of the person making the claim.

You don't provide evidence, by the pinprick or the truckload. Even a blind person can see this, though I have no knowledge that you are speaking with any.

It is a circular argument and evidence of your inability to debate and present your case.

By all you do present, it is not me or anyone else you have been engaged by that cannot handle the truth. All your empty assertions reveal who that person is like a highway billboard.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No, I made the claim which accuses all unbelievers of ignorance and I gave you 356 articles of proof

You did? Really? Where? And you of course explained how the people you were presenting this to fit your claim of that description and that these "proofs" were proofs and applied to them?

so the burden is on you to prove me wrong

The burden is still yours. Especially, given that I have no knowledge of this dump of "proof" you claim.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I'm not sure if I shared a very important fact with you about evidence with you, but it's like this. One can provide a truck load of evidence to a blind person and find it's all useless as the blind one is not equipped to examine the evidence, or as I would say in your case "you can't handle the truth".

You don't appear to have anything of substance. If you did, it would already be on the table. You just pontificate, declare and claim in the void of what you believe for yourself and about yourself. Reading your assertions, I can't seem to fit them with those personal claims of yours. It is just that simple. It doesn't take special skill to see this.

 

[Charles Philips]

Erm. I speak English. I know what world means. It does NOT mean "only believers."

It's obvious you don't know the context of the word in John 3:16 I really don't have time to give you a thorough lesson on this verse as there's quite a bit to consider, so I'll do the lazy thing and refer you to this article which explains it in detail.

One of the most surprising twists of John 3:16 is that we are told God loves the world. We might be tempted to think that there is much about the world for God to love. After all, what’s not to admire about cityscapes and farmlands, fine cuisine and backyard barbecues, classical symphonies and folk ballads, Renaissance paintings and kindergarten squiggles? The world we know is filled with texture, intrigue, opportunity, and cheer. The problem is that for all that is good and interesting and beautiful about the world, it is overrun with sinners. Ever since Adam and Eve rebelled against God in the garden, the world has become a wasteland. No matter how wonderful the world may appear, it is not worthy of God’s redeeming love.

Understanding how undeserving the world is of God’s love is the key to John 3:16. Only then will we appreciate the unexpected gift that God gives. This point was well made many years ago by the esteemed theologian Benjamin Breckinridge Warfield. In his sermon “God’s Immeasurable Love,” Warfield probes the meaning of the term “world” (Greek kosmos) in John 3:16 in order to plumb the depths of God’s love.

What is the meaning of “world” in this passage? Drawing from the insights of Warfield, there are four possible answers.

In the first place, many people believe that “world” means all people without exception. In other words, when John 3:16 says that God loves the world, it means that He loves every person, head for head, equally. The logic goes something like this: God loves every person; Christ died for every person; therefore, salvation is possible for every person. However, this view seems to suggest that God’s love is impotent and Christ’s death is ineffectual. Otherwise, the natural conclusion of this position would be that every person is actually saved rather than just potentially saved. If God loves every person, and Christ died for every person, and God’s love is not impotent, and Christ’s death is not ineffectual, then the only conclusion one can draw is that salvation has been secured for every person. Yet this viewpoint contradicts the Bible’s teaching on God’s judgment as is evidenced by the immediate context in John 3:17–21.

John 3:16 is not about the greatness of the world but about the greatness of God.
Second, others argue that “world” means all people without distinction. This option emphasizes that God loves more than one type of person or ethnic group. The death of Christ on the cross was not only for Jews but also for gentiles. The love of God is not confined to national boundaries but extends to all kinds of nations, tribes, cultures, tongues, and peoples. To this, all God’s people––Arminian and Calvinist alike––say a hearty “Amen.” While this view has the benefit of being undoubtedly right and fits within the larger context of John’s gospel concerning the global identity of the “children of God” (e.g., John 1:9–13; John 4:42), it doesn’t quite capture the jolting contrast between “God so loved” and “the world” that John 3:16 deliberately draws.

Third, a popular nuance of the previous option among Reformed theologians is to argue that “world” in John 3:16 refers to the elect. Throughout John’s gospel, Jesus emphasizes the particularity of His grace. “All that the Father gives me will come to me” (John 6:37). “I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me. . . . I lay down my life for the sheep” (John 10:14–18). “If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you” (John 15:9). “I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours” (John 17:9). And so on. The point is that God’s people are chosen from an unbelieving world. Again, this view strikes an important note by underscoring the biblical doctrine of election, but the focus of the term “world” in John 3:16 is not so much on the identity of God’s people but on the nature of God’s love.

This leads us to the final option. A solid case can be made for believing that “world” refers to the quality of God’s love. Warfield convincingly states:

[World] is not here a term of extension so much as a term of intensity. Its primary connotation is ethical, and the point of its employment is not to suggest that the world is so big that it takes a great deal of love to embrace it all, but that the world is so bad that it takes a great kind of love to love it at all, and much more to love it as God has loved it when he gave his Son for it.

The world represents sinful humanity and is not worthy of God’s saving love. Apart from the love of God, the world stands under God’s condemnation. But in Christ, believers experience God’s surprising, redeeming, and never-ending love. John 3:16 is not about the greatness of the world but about the greatness of God.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

This is just one Bible passage describing the condition that we are all born in, and remain in unless Gods regenerates us, converts us and saves us from our sin nature which condemns us.

Ephesians 2:1-10

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
Ephesians 2:1-10 And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins, wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the sp And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works i And you [He made alive when you] were [spiritually] dead and separated from Him because of your transgressions and sins, in which you once walked. You were following the ways of this world [influenced It wasn’t so long ago that you were mired in that old stagnant life of sin. You let the world, which doesn’t know the first thing about living, tell you how to live. You filled your lungs with pollute And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in In the past you were spiritually dead because of your sins and the things you did against God. Yes, in the past you lived the way the world lives, following the ruler of the evil powers that are above As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins. You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is t And his fullness fills you, even though you were once like corpses, dead in your sins and offenses. It wasn’t that long ago that you lived in the religion, customs, and values of this world, obeying t And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of d
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:1-10 And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins, wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the sp And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works i And you [He made alive when you] were [spiritually] dead and separated from Him because of your transgressions and sins, in which you once walked. You were following the ways of this world [influenced It wasn’t so long ago that you were mired in that old stagnant life of sin. You let the world, which doesn’t know the first thing about living, tell you how to live. You filled your lungs with pollute And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in In the past you were spiritually dead because of your sins and the things you did against God. Yes, in the past you lived the way the world lives, following the ruler of the evil powers that are above As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins. You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is t And his fullness fills you, even though you were once like corpses, dead in your sins and offenses. It wasn’t that long ago that you lived in the religion, customs, and values of this world, obeying t And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of d
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Was it so difficult to provide the basis for what you believe that others had to ask repeatedly like pulling teeth?

Not that you have shown that babies are wicked by this passage, even if they bear a burden of pre-existing sin.

And that this passage contradicts things that you have posted before regarding salvation and those who have received it.

You are all over the place. The only thing I get from your posts is that you believe yourself to be "the" authority. Funny how that ironic twist that others have seen does indeed turn out to be the case and further evidence that those that engage you are not the blind here.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Now look here, I've given you 356 proofs and you're saying 'show me'. It has become painful obvious that you're not interested in the facts at all. They say ignorance is bliss, but they don't tell you that it's like being in the eye of a hurricane. The bliss always comes to a violent end

More talk about me and nothing with anything to do with a defense of your posts.

And threats too. Wow!

That seems like the last resort of the defeated. Like a cowboy fleeing the posse firing blindly over his shoulder hoping to hit something, but only hitting the wind.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I'm not appealing to, the (corrupt human reasoning) here. I'm pointing out how God sees everyone, He sees into the future and He knows every baby is born with a heart that is wicked above all things.

God doesn't need to wait for the criminal to grow up before they rape and murder. He hates them before they are born. It's not His fault He can see the future as if i had already come to pass. That's our problem, the police with for the murderer to kill before they arrest him. God doesn't have the same constraints as the police do, He is sovereign over everyone and everything.

This is how you believe God is. It is evidence only for that and not the Voice of God.

This is you speaking. Not God speaking.

By your own admission, you are human and flawed (you say wicked often).

All you post seems to be your belief about yourself with the allusion that your personal belief is given to us by God. I see well and have seen no reason to accept that what you claim for yourself by way of beating down others is "the Word of God".