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Does the day of Christ ressurection tell us to worship on Sunday?

kylixguru

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A guy I used to work for wasn't sure so he rested on Saturday and worshipped on Sunday.
He was correct. Sabbath has always been a day of rest and always will be. Sunday is the Lord's Day and is a day of performing our duties to God to gather together and partake of the sacrament, among other things.

Also, one reason there is ambiguity is because when you take the creation account in terms of Days where "a day unto the Lord is as a thousand years unto man" then you have the duration of a single creation cycle being approximately 7 thousand years. However, when going from one creation cycle to another one they actually overlap by one Day. Thus, if you look at time in those terms you have Day 7 being concurrent with Day 1 on the Lord's Creation calendar. So, I don't get too up tight when people refer to Sunday as a Sabbath Day. It all comes out in the wash.
 

kylixguru

Well-Known Member
When God created, on the seventh day He rested. I always thought Saturday was supposed to be the day we set aside for God and prayer. Yet we practice it on Sunday. Where does the name "Sunday" come from? Just curious if it could have originally been the day He created light or the sun. I know man came up with the names of the days of the week, but just a thought.
If you look at the Creation account you will see that it is on Day 1 that light is brought forth causing the light to be divided from the dark. (Judgment Day) This is when the "greater light to rule the day" comes forth (in resurrection) to do the job it was created to do (on Day 4). Incidentally, this is also the day the "lesser light to rule the night" also comes forth to rule over his kingdom, which is the adversary's kingdom.

Thus, there are two kingdoms that come about and our resurrection and judgment takes place at that time. We shall hold to the traditions of men and reject the light of the Father's Kingdom or we will be hated by the world and hold steadfastly to the Father's Kingdom and be true to the Light. We are who must seek out the straight and narrow path by finding the pearls of wisdom that lead us to its gates.
 

Beta

Well-Known Member
He was correct. Sabbath has always been a day of rest and always will be. Sunday is the Lord's Day and is a day of performing our duties to God to gather together and partake of the sacrament, among other things.

Also, one reason there is ambiguity is because when you take the creation account in terms of Days where "a day unto the Lord is as a thousand years unto man" then you have the duration of a single creation cycle being approximately 7 thousand years. However, when going from one creation cycle to another one they actually overlap by one Day. Thus, if you look at time in those terms you have Day 7 being concurrent with Day 1 on the Lord's Creation calendar. So, I don't get too up tight when people refer to Sunday as a Sabbath Day. It all comes out in the wash.
How can it come out right when you introduce 'sunday observance' into the mix for which there are no biblical instructions ? None whatever !
Our own reasoning around it may make it seem plausible to the gullible but there are no scriptures to veryfy .
The day of the Lord refers to something different altogether than sunday observance in Zech.14 .
The 7th day sabbath has been more than just a day of rest since God introduced the assembling of people together for holy convocation Lev.23. God is progressive in his teaching or we would still be idle and sleeping on HIS HOLY DAY. Scriptures tell us to wake up, to awake out of sleep.
 

kylixguru

Well-Known Member
How can it come out right when you introduce 'sunday observance' into the mix for which there are no biblical instructions ? None whatever !
It comes out right in terms of what it points to on the Lord's Creation Calendar. Day 1 of the new Creation is concurrent with Day 7 of the previous Creation.

At that level of things:
Saturday = Sunday = Millennium = Sabbath Day = Lord's Day = Judgment Day = Creation Day = Etc...

Our own reasoning around it may make it seem plausible to the gullible but there are no scriptures to veryfy.
I agree there are no single passages for this.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
He was correct. Sabbath has always been a day of rest and always will be. Sunday is the Lord's Day and is a day of performing our duties to God to gather together and partake of the sacrament, among other things.

Also, one reason there is ambiguity is because when you take the creation account in terms of Days where "a day unto the Lord is as a thousand years unto man" then you have the duration of a single creation cycle being approximately 7 thousand years. However, when going from one creation cycle to another one they actually overlap by one Day. Thus, if you look at time in those terms you have Day 7 being concurrent with Day 1 on the Lord's Creation calendar. So, I don't get too up tight when people refer to Sunday as a Sabbath Day. It all comes out in the wash.

I've read your posts, although I agree with some of your intepretations, I would dare say the bible, the world's leading astronomers, and even the progenitors of the Sunday sabbath (Catholics) couldn't disagree with you more on this issue. The seventh-day has existed from the beginning of time as we know it (Gen 2:2-3) and has not changed.

Astronomers have confirmed the seven day cycle, which begins on Sunday, has not changed:

"The week of seven days has been in use ever since the days of the Mosaic dispensation, and we have no reason for supposing that any irregularities have existed in the succession of weeks and their days from that time to the present" (Dr. W.W. Campbell, Statement. [Dr. Campbell was Director of Lick Observatory, Mt. Hamilton, California.]).​

"The continuity of the week has crossed the centuries and all known calendars, still intact" (Professor D. Eginitis, Statement [Dr. Eginitis was Director of the Observatory of Athens, Greece.]).​

The Roman Catholic Church also recognize the integrity of the seven day cycle:

"For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible."- Catholic Virginian, “To Tell You the Truth,” p. 9, Oct. 3, 1947"

"Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day—Saturday—for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day? I answer no!" - James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), signed letter
 

Ben Masada

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If the day of Jesus' resurrection tells Christians to worship on Sundays? I don't think so for two reasons: First, because Jesus did not resurrect and nobody can be pointed as an eyewitness of it. And second, because Paul left the option at the choice of the worshiper to keep any day he or she pleased to observe as the day of rest from work; or even not to keep any day at all. (Rom. 14:6)
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
If the day of Jesus' resurrection tells Christians to worship on Sundays? I don't think so for two reasons: First, because Jesus did not resurrect and nobody can be pointed as an eyewitness of it.

But can you "prove" this without a shadow of a doubt from the historical record ?

And second, because Paul left the option at the choice of the worshiper to keep any day he or she pleased to observe as the day of rest from work; or even not to keep any day at all. (Rom. 14:6)

The context indicates the subject in question surrounded the matter of abstinence of food on particular days (see Rom 14:1-5). It did not involve whether to keep or not keep God’s Sabbaths!.
 

reddogs

Active Member
He was correct. Sabbath has always been a day of rest and always will be. Sunday is the Lord's Day and is a day of performing our duties to God to gather together and partake of the sacrament, among other things.

Also, one reason there is ambiguity is because when you take the creation account in terms of Days where "a day unto the Lord is as a thousand years unto man" then you have the duration of a single creation cycle being approximately 7 thousand years. However, when going from one creation cycle to another one they actually overlap by one Day. Thus, if you look at time in those terms you have Day 7 being concurrent with Day 1 on the Lord's Creation calendar. So, I don't get too up tight when people refer to Sunday as a Sabbath Day. It all comes out in the wash.

You are not quite correct as the Lords Day nowhere says was Sunday or the first day in scripture, here is a good explanation..

"after the death of the last of the apostles many of the Gentile Christians, who had been converted from paganism, picked up what they were accostomed to and began to observe the pagan Sunday, which corresponded to the first day of the Biblical week. This practice took its rise about the middle of the second century as the church swell its ranks to get more influence for bishop or leader, and the argument invented for it was that it was a fitting way to commemorate theresurrection of the Lord Jesus, although no commandment from Christ or His apostles was adduced in support of the idea.

These pagans or 'converted' Gentile Christians, in need of a name for this new festival, hit upon the idea of calling it “the Lord‟s day” as it was not the Sabbath. Thus we find in both the Greek and the Latin ecclesiastical literature of the latter part of the second century and the centuries following, frequent references to Sunday by this name. None of these writings cite Revelation 1:10 as Biblical authority for calling Sunday “the Lord‟s day.”

John in Revelation was not talking about the first day.
In E.W. Bullinger's Commentary on Revelation, he explains definitively that the "Lord's day" in Revelation 1:10 is not talking about the first day of the week:

'In [Revelation 1:10] we are told that John saw and received this revelation on "the Lord's Day." Leaving the former part of this verse for the present, let us notice the latter expression, "the Lord's Day." 4

The majority of people, being accustomed from their infancy to hear the first day of the week called the Lord's Day, conclude in their own minds that that day is thus called in [Revelation 1:10] because that was the name of it. But the contrary is the fact: the day is so called by us because of this verse.

In the New Testament this day is always called "the first day of the week." (See Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2 2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; I Corinthians 16:2.). Is it not strange that in this one place a different expression is thought to refer to the same day? And yet, so sure are the commentators that it means Sunday, that some go as far as to say it was "Easter Sunday," and it is for this reason that Revelation 1:10-19 is chosen in the New Lectionary of the Church of England as the 2nd Lesson for Easter Sunday morning.

There is no evidence of any kind that "the first day of the week" was ever called "the Lord's Day" before the Apocalypse was written. That it should be so called afterwards is easily understood, and there can be little doubt that the practice arose from the misinterpretation of these words in [Revelation 1:10]. It is incredible that the earliest use of a term can have a meaning which only subsequent usage makes intelligible.

On the contrary, it ceased to be called by its Scripture name ("the First day of the week"), not because of any advance of Biblical truth or reverence, but because of declension from it. The Greek "Fathers" of the Church were converts from Paganism: and it is not yet sufficiently recognized how much of Pagan rites and ceremonies and expressions they introduced into the Church; and how far Christian ritual was elaborated from and based upon Pagan ritual by the Church of Rome. Especially is this seen in the case of baptism.5

It was these Fathers who, on their conversion, brought the title "Sunday" into the Church from the Pagan terminology which they had been accustomed to use in connection with their Sun-worship.

Justin Martyr (114-165 A.D.) in his second Apology (i.e., his second defense of Christianity), says, 6 in chap. 67. on "The weekly worship of the Christians," - "On the day called SUN-DAY all who live in the country gather together to one place... SUN-DAY is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of SATURN [i.e., Saturn's day]; and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the SUN, having appeared to his apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration."

It is passing strange that if John called the first day of the week "the Lord's Day," we find no trace of the use of such a title until a hundred years later. And that though we do find a change, it is to "Sunday," and not the "the Lord's Day" - a name which has become practically universal.

Some Christians still perpetuate the name of the Lord's Day for Sunday: but it is really the survival of a Pagan name, with a new meaning, derived from a misunderstanding of [Revelation 1:10]."
 

reddogs

Active Member
I've read your posts, although I agree with some of your intepretations, I would dare say the bible, the world's leading astronomers, and even the progenitors of the Sunday sabbath (Catholics) couldn't disagree with you more on this issue. The seventh-day has existed from the beginning of time as we know it (Gen 2:2-3) and has not changed.

Astronomers have confirmed the seven day cycle, which begins on Sunday, has not changed:
"The week of seven days has been in use ever since the days of the Mosaic dispensation, and we have no reason for supposing that any irregularities have existed in the succession of weeks and their days from that time to the present" (Dr. W.W. Campbell, Statement. [Dr. Campbell was Director of Lick Observatory, Mt. Hamilton, California.]).
"The continuity of the week has crossed the centuries and all known calendars, still intact" (Professor D. Eginitis, Statement [Dr. Eginitis was Director of the Observatory of Athens, Greece.]).
The Roman Catholic Church also recognize the integrity of the seven day cycle:
"For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible."- Catholic Virginian, “To Tell You the Truth,” p. 9, Oct. 3, 1947"

"Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day—Saturday—for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day? I answer no!" - James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), signed letter

You also have to bring what Christ said, He stated the Sabbath was MADE for man. That means CREATED for man at the begining and then you have to ask yourself who it was made at Creation, the Jews or mankind........read your scripture and see.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
WE worship on Sunday, because Sunday is the day of resurrection, and Xtian worship is a celebration of resurrection.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
You also have to bring what Christ said, He stated the Sabbath was MADE for man. That means CREATED for man at the begining and then you have to ask yourself who it was made at Creation, the Jews or mankind........read your scripture and see.

Thank you for your input. I am well aware of the implications of Mark 2:27. I actually observe the Sabbath and annual Holy Days.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
WE worship on Sunday, because Sunday is the day of resurrection, and Xtian worship is a celebration of resurrection.

His tomb may have been found empty early Sunday morning. But historical and textual evidence stongly suggests He wasn't resurrected on that day.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
His tomb may have been found empty early Sunday morning. But historical and textual evidence stongly suggests He wasn't resurrected on that day.
But that was the day the resurrection was manifest to the disciples -- historically and textually.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
It was the custom during that time to count each portion of a day as a day. For instance, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

In Mat 12:40, Christ referenced Jonah 1:17 when asked for a sign of His Messiahship. He answered, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." The term for three days and three nights in the Hebrew is undoubtedly a 72 hour period.
 

sincerly

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Unless I missed the post(s), the answer to the OP was prophesied. Daniel in 7:25 writes, "And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. That in response to wanting to know about that power which would "wear out the saints of GOD". and whose power would last until end of time.

Paul, gives more details in 2Thess,2:3-4, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

That Power claims to be acting in/by the authority of GOD in the "thinking to change" GOD's Times and Laws.

Was there a "falling away"? Paul (in Acts20:29-30) to the Ephesian leaders, "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them."

Jesus attests that it did occur, Rev.2:4,"Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love."

Eusebius, one of the "early church fathers" wrote, "All things whatsoever that it was duty to do on Sabbath, these we have transferred to the Lord's day."----Commentary on the Psalms, Eusebius; cited in the commentary on the Apocalypse, Moses Stuart, vol. ll, 9, 40. Andover: Allen, Morrill, and Wardwell, 1845.

There is no Scriptural authority for any change of the Sabbath, but The "WE" in the above attests that "Sunday" is the day of worship today because of changes made by those "early church fathers".

An action very similar to the making of the "golden calf".
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
So you agree He was not resurrected on Sunday?
It's of monumental unimportance. I don't care what day he was resurrected on. it makes no difference to the theological impact of the resurrection. The speculation is just so much static, distracting us from what we should be paying attention to. Jesus taught about logs and specks in the eye. The speck is obsessing on what day Jesus was resurrected. The log is the desperate need for resurrection in the human condition.
Tradition tells us that the disciples discovered the resurrection on the first day of the week -- Sunday. I take that at face value and celebrate the manifestation of the resurrection on ... Sunday. What's the big deal? It has meaning for me and thousands of others. If you want to be a 7th Day Adventist, go ahead! No one's stopping you.
 
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