Does the day of Christ ressurection tell us to worship on Sunday?

[sincerly]

It's of monumental unimportance. I don't care what day he was resurrected on. it makes no difference to the theological impact of the resurrection. The speculation is just so much static, distracting us from what we should be paying attention to. Jesus taught about logs and specks in the eye. The speck is obsessing on what day Jesus was resurrected. The log is the desperate need for resurrection in the human condition.
Tradition tells us that the disciples discovered the resurrection on the first day of the week -- Sunday. I take that at face value and celebrate the manifestation of the resurrection on ... Sunday. What's the big deal? It has meaning for me and thousands of others. If you want to be a 7th Day Adventist, go ahead! No one's stopping you.

Hi Sojourner, Jesus spoke of and denounced the type of "tradition(s)" you are alluding to above. "Man made" and "man decreed" Mark 7:1-13, "....Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. "
The same principle is seen in the making of the golden calf. Before Moses went UP the Mt., the people had said "what ever the LORD says, we will do". They had heard GOD say, "I am the Lord thy GOD", However, before the forty days that Moses was with GOD... they were listening to "men" and making a "tradition"/"golden calf" to worship and lead them.

How much of a "deal" did GOD make concerning the "golden calf"?? "Corrupt themselves"?? Didn't GOD say those HE brought out of Egypt were to be "holy" unto HIM??
It is because HE was Resurrected that we have "HOPE" beyond death.

Being a member of the SDA Church, or any church, isn't a guaruntee of salvation. Obedience to What GOD has declared to be the right relationship to HIM and one's fellow beings and that via the shed Blood of Jesus Christ for the propitiation of sins is the "WAY". However, "hearing"/ acknowledging without the "obedience of doing" is in vain. James 2:17, 20; Romans2:13-15

Agreed, there isn't anything holy about the day upon which Christ arose from the dead....or that fact would have been expressed by Jesus when HE met with the disciples in the upper room----after HE had Returned from being with the Father(and walking with the two on the road to Emmaus. Luke 24)

Right! All have and exercise the freedom to choose who and what to follow. GOD didn't over-rule Adam's choice, but informed Adam(prior) of the results of choosing to go contradictory to the "Commands of GOD".

2 Peter 1:1-11 is advice worth heeding. "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: "

 

[sojourner]

Hi Sojourner, Jesus spoke of and denounced the type of "tradition(s)" you are alluding to above. "Man made" and "man decreed" Mark 7:1-13, "....Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. "
The same principle is seen in the making of the golden calf. Before Moses went UP the Mt., the people had said "what ever the LORD says, we will do". They had heard GOD say, "I am the Lord thy GOD", However, before the forty days that Moses was with GOD... they were listening to "men" and making a "tradition"/"golden calf" to worship and lead them.

How much of a "deal" did GOD make concerning the "golden calf"?? "Corrupt themselves"?? Didn't GOD say those HE brought out of Egypt were to be "holy" unto HIM??
It is because HE was Resurrected that we have "HOPE" beyond death.

Being a member of the SDA Church, or any church, isn't a guaruntee of salvation. Obedience to What GOD has declared to be the right relationship to HIM and one's fellow beings and that via the shed Blood of Jesus Christ for the propitiation of sins is the "WAY". However, "hearing"/ acknowledging without the "obedience of doing" is in vain. James 2:17, 20; Romans2:13-15

Agreed, there isn't anything holy about the day upon which Christ arose from the dead....or that fact would have been expressed by Jesus when HE met with the disciples in the upper room----after HE had Returned from being with the Father(and walking with the two on the road to Emmaus. Luke 24)

Right! All have and exercise the freedom to choose who and what to follow. GOD didn't over-rule Adam's choice, but informed Adam(prior) of the results of choosing to go contradictory to the "Commands of GOD".

2 Peter 1:1-11 is advice worth heeding. "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: "

There's absolutely no injunction against worshiping on Sunday, nor is there any injunction against commemorating the resurrection. Your diatribe here is torturing the texts.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sojourner
WE worship on Sunday, because Sunday is the day of resurrection, and Xtian worship is a celebration of resurrection.

His tomb may have been found empty early Sunday morning. But historical and textual evidence stongly suggests He wasn't resurrected on that day.

Hi James, I was just re-reading over these posts and this post needs to be re-visited. Everything about that Passover event was prophesied and is historically correct.---That the "Scriptures might be fulfilled". (I doubt that you want to call GOD a liar).

God Gave annual events which were take place every year. Passover was one of them. In association with Passover was the day of Pentecost. It was specified as being---Lev.23:9-21---"And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD."
"The morrow after the Sabbath" is the first day of the week. The waving of the sheaves signified the new harvest. Jesus was the "first-fruit" of all who are resurrected. It was also fulfilled in that event recorded in Matt.27:52-53, " And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Therefore, texturally/contextually Jesus did arise the day following the Sabbath.(They rested on the Sabbath Day). It is important as "fulfillment of the Scriptures."
It doesn't void the seventh day Sabbath as the Prophecy in Isa.66:22-23, "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD."

 

[sincerly]

There's absolutely no injunction against worshiping on Sunday, nor is there any injunction against commemorating the resurrection. Your diatribe here is torturing the texts.

Hi sojourner, Agreed, our LORD and GOD are to be worshiped and prayed to with a willing obedient heart always.
As for "commemorating", The Sabbath is part of the Decalogue(The Ten Commandments) AND IT ALONE of the days of the week was addressed/ specified to "Remember" because it "commemorates" that it is only the Creator GOD who made all things.
Only one day (The seventh day)of Creation Week was "Blessed and Sanctified" and there is NO scriptural authority for any change to that Divine designation. One may believe anything one desires; however there is NO "torturing" of the TRUTH expressed in the Scriptures. The "torturing" comes when one claims "Truth" as error; or error as truth.
Prov.14:12 gives this truth, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death."

Truth is "diatribe" to those who oppose/don't want to hear it.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

WE worship on Sunday, because Sunday is the day of resurrection, and Xtian worship is a celebration of resurrection.

Sunday worship, so to speak, was Not part of first-century Christianity.

Jesus said to remember him by the replacement for Passover. Luke 22 v 19.
That was not an annual Sunday day. Nisan 14 does not always fall on a Sunday.

It was not until 321 CE that Constantine decreed Sunday [dies Solis] Not Sabbatum [Sabbath] or dies Domini [Lord's day] to be a day of rest for all but the farmers.

 

[sojourner]

As for "commemorating", The Sabbath is part of the Decalogue(The Ten Commandments) AND IT ALONE of the days of the week was addressed/ specified to "Remember" because it "commemorates" that it is only the Creator GOD who made all things.
Only one day (The seventh day)of Creation Week was "Blessed and Sanctified" and there is NO scriptural authority for any change to that Divine designation.

That's all well and good, but, of course, the resurrection hadn't happened when the decalogue was written.

One may believe anything one desires; however there is NO "torturing" of the TRUTH expressed in the Scriptures.

I said the texts were tortured.

The "torturing" comes when one claims "Truth" as error; or error as truth.

Which is, of course, what I think you've done. Which is why I said what I said.

Prov.14:12 gives this truth, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death."

Well, does this way not seemeth right to you?

 

[sojourner]

Sunday worship, so to speak, was Not part of first-century Christianity.

Jesus said to remember him by the replacement for Passover. Luke 22 v 19.
That was not an annual Sunday day. Nisan 14 does not always fall on a Sunday.

It was not until 321 CE that Constantine decreed Sunday [dies Solis] Not Sabbatum [Sabbath] or dies Domini [Lord's day] to be a day of rest for all but the farmers.

Yes, but, of course, before then, Xtians weren't allowed to decree anything, were they! It's well known that the early followers would worship in the temple or synagogue and then afterward, meet for the love feast. "Afterward" would indicate...Sunday.

 

[james2ko]

It's of monumental unimportance. I don't care what day he was resurrected on. it makes no difference to the theological impact of the resurrection. The speculation is just so much static, distracting us from what we should be paying attention to. Jesus taught about logs and specks in the eye. The speck is obsessing on what day Jesus was resurrected. The log is the desperate need for resurrection in the human condition.

Read the rest of the analogy:

Mat 7:5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
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I've removed the log from my eye by proving the crucifixion was not on Friday and the resurrection was not on Sunday, therefore reserving the right to see clearly to remove the speck from my brothers eye, right?

Tradition tells us that the disciples discovered the resurrection on the first day of the week -- Sunday. I take that at face value and celebrate the manifestation of the resurrection on ... Sunday. What's the big deal? It has meaning for me and thousands of others. If you want to be a 7th Day Adventist, go ahead! No one's stopping you.

I'm really surprised someone with your intelligence cannot reconcile the fact Christ was not crucified on Friday or resurrected on Sunday, therefore nullifying the Good Friday--Easter holiday doctrine.

 

[sincerly]

That's all well and good, but, of course, the resurrection hadn't happened when the decalogue was written.

NO! However, the plan of salvation was established in "the Lamb (of GOD) slain from before the foundation of the world". Rev.13:8;
1Pet.1:19-21, "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God."
That fact was promised before sin entered the Creating of the world. The Decalogue was given/established as seen in the early scriptures before Sinai. Sin was known by Abel or God would not have been able to say Gen.4:7, "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him." Wasn't it lust that caused Eve to be deceived?

I said the texts were tortured.

"Twisted"?? The truth of the Scriptures which you refuse to believe may seem to be "tortured" because of one's own preconceived ideas.

Which is, of course, what I think you've done. Which is why I said what I said.

Does one agree with the scriptures or one's own erroneous conclusions??

Well, does this way not seemeth right to you?

As Isa.8:20 states, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them."

I find no Scriptures which give authority for a change in the Sabbath; neither have you produced any scriptural authority for such. Therefore, The Scriptures are correct---regardless of how much anyone hopes and desires for a valid change by GOD---Man's changes just aren't sufficient.

 

[sincerly]

Yes, but, of course, before then, Xtians weren't allowed to decree anything, were they! It's well known that the early followers would worship in the temple or synagogue and then afterward, meet for the love feast. "Afterward" would indicate...Sunday.

Hi sojourner, There is no scriptural basis authorizing man to "decree" anything. Mankind is to Obey that which GOD placed for mankind to have a right relationship to GOD and man's fellow beings.
Yes, the Disciples and those whom they taught did worship just as Jesus Christ had done on the seventh day Sabbath and in the "temple" and "synagogues" until they were barred by the "Jewish leaders" who continued to refuse "their promised Messiah". (that was prophesied---"came unto His own and they received him not")

What you are refusing to see and believe is the prophesied "falling away"(2Thess,2:3-4) and the persecution by that "body" of "professed believers"--- who would "think to change GOD'S times and Laws".
So where is your divinely Authorized Change for the (Gen.2:1-3; Ex.20:8-11)Sabbath Day of worship??

The "afterwards" referred to the "falling away"--Sunday.

 

[sincerly]

I'm really surprised someone with your intelligence cannot reconcile the fact Christ was not crucified on Friday or resurrected on Sunday, therefore nullifying the Good Friday--Easter holiday doctrine.

Hi James, Sorry, but, you haven't nullified anything. Nor have you proven a 72 hour period in the tomb. The scriptural account still is valid---and shows that Christ was Crucified on Friday and rose from the tomb on the first day of the week(Sunday).
However, that fact doesn't authorize the Seventh day Sabbath to be replaced by the first day of the week as the Sabbath of the Creator GOD.

 

[sojourner]

I'm really surprised someone with your intelligence cannot reconcile the fact Christ was not crucified on Friday or resurrected on Sunday, therefore nullifying the Good Friday--Easter holiday doctrine.

I'm really surprised that you think I care! When I said "of monumental unimportance," what did you think I meant? Are we to stop celebrating the birth, because we don't know what day Jesus was born? Pick a date! Pick a day! It's the celebration that's the important thing. We're not celebrating the day, we're celebrating the event.

 

[sojourner]

The truth of the Scriptures which you refuse to believe may seem to be "tortured" because of one's own preconceived ideas.

You seem to have a lot of those.

Does one agree with the scriptures or one's own erroneous conclusions??

One agrees with a responsible exegesis of the texts.

I find no Scriptures which give authority for a change in the Sabbath; neither have you produced any scriptural authority for such. Therefore, The Scriptures are correct---regardless of how much anyone hopes and desires for a valid change by GOD---Man's changes just aren't sufficient.

Nothing's changed. The Sabbath is still the 7th day. And the celebration of the resurrection is the 1st day. It's your "preconceived notion" that's twisting what's actually going on.

 

[sincerly]

I'm really surprised that you think I care! When I said "of monumental unimportance," what did you think I meant? Are we to stop celebrating the birth, because we don't know what day Jesus was born? Pick a date! Pick a day! It's the celebration that's the important thing. We're not celebrating the day, we're celebrating the event.

Hi sojourner, That isn't quite true. Yes, the day of the week for the resurrection remains the same year after year; however, the month the "event" falls upon varies due the lunar cycle. The question still remains----Just as John and Peter said to the Jewish leaders, Acts 4:19, "But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye."
Isn't that the same principle which tripped up Eve and Adam?? They "hearkened" to the wrong information, from the wrong source. All who claim to have GOD as their GOD should "care" concerning those things which GOD said would either lead to "LIFE" or "DEATH".
It isn't the "day" upon which Jesus Christ was "born", "died" or was "resurrected" that has any significance. Because, had not they all happened you and I (And everyone who has or will live) would have no hope for the Life which GOD intended for mankind from the Creation of all things.

The Seventh day Sabbath is a weekly celebration/assemblage in worship of the Creator GOD who gave LIFE to ALL living things. A Day which GOD created/made for that special weekly period in the life of mankind(man).
"Pick a day" just doesn't compute----GOD made the choice in the "Blessing and Sanctifying" of the Seventh day of creation week---and then reminding one to "REMEMBER" that seventh day Sabbath.

The "important thing" is in One's Obedience to HIM.

Quote(sincerly):The truth of the Scriptures which you refuse to believe may seem to be "tortured" because of one's own preconceived ideas.
The truth of the Scriptures which you refuse to believe may seem to be "tortured" because of one's own preconceived ideas.

You seem to have a lot of those.

Yes, those scriptures were conceived by the Holy Spirit and given to holy men(prophets) for our admonition. You haven't shown where any of the scriptures given were of my ideas.

Quote(sincerly)Does one agree with the scriptures or one's own erroneous conclusions??
Does one agree with the scriptures or one's own erroneous conclusions??

One agrees with a responsible exegesis of the texts.

And that "critical examination" isn't according to "scripture"??? but, by the bias of the "examiner"?

Quote(sincerly):I find no Scriptures which give authority for a change in the Sabbath; neither have you produced any scriptural authority for such. Therefore, The Scriptures are correct---regardless of how much anyone hopes and desires for a valid change by GOD---Man's changes just aren't sufficient.
I find no Scriptures which give authority for a change in the Sabbath; neither have you produced any scriptural authority for such. Therefore, The Scriptures are correct---regardless of how much anyone hopes and desires for a valid change by GOD---Man's changes just aren't sufficient.

Nothing's changed. The Sabbath is still the 7th day. And the celebration of the resurrection is the 1st day. It's your "preconceived notion" that's twisting what's actually going on.

"Nothing's changed"?? yet most "Christian" churchs do not honor GOD'S seventh day of the week Sabbath, but honor the first day of the week---Sunday.

True, the Sabbath of GOD is the seventh day of the week. NOT one(any) day in seven. Pointed out and written on stone tablets by GOD-----not preconceived by me.

 

[james2ko]

Hi James, Sorry, but, you haven't nullified anything. Nor have you proven a 72 hour period in the tomb. The scriptural account still is valid---and shows that Christ was Crucified on Friday and rose from the tomb on the first day of the week(Sunday).

Ok fair enough. Prove me wrong by replying to post #88 here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...s-arrested-before-passover-9.html#post2886332

However, that fact doesn't authorize the Seventh day Sabbath to be replaced by the first day of the week as the Sabbath of the Creator GOD.

I'm afraid a Friday crucifixion does not agree with scriptural and historical proof. I laid out the timeline and details of the crucifixion-resurrection on the other thread. The burden of proof is on you. BTW..I keep the seventh day Sabbath--Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Hi James, Sorry, but, you haven't nullified anything. Nor have you proven a 72 hour period in the tomb. The scriptural account still is valid---and shows that Christ was Crucified on Friday and rose from the tomb on the first day of the week(Sunday).

Ok fair enough. Prove me wrong by replying to post #88 here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...s-arrested-before-passover-9.html#post2886332

See post #91 of that thread.
In one's own mind, anything can be believed, but isn't necessarily correct. The correctness is in the context of the scriptures---not in one's opinion.

I'm afraid a Friday crucifixion does not agree with scriptural and historical proof. I laid out the timeline and details of the crucifixion-resurrection on the other thread. The burden of proof is on you. BTW..I keep the seventh day Sabbath--Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

James, the proof is in the context of the Scriptures---NOT in the "timeline you listed" in an attempt to secure a 72 hour opinion.

The first day of the week follows the seventh day of the week. That seventh day of the week is the Sabbath which GOD designated as HIS TRUE BLESSED AND SANCTIFIED DAY. Your "time-line" omits the fact/and significance of the obligation of the seventh day Sabbath to bestill effectively witnessing to a valid Commandment.

BTW,----SO??? Your attempt at removal of the resurrection day from Sunday will not negate it as a day/the day it has attained. It is truth and prophesied.

 

[sojourner]

The "important thing" is in One's Obedience to HIM.

One has to wonder how celebrating the resurrection is, in any way, disobedience to God???

You haven't shown where any of the scriptures given were of my ideas.

The texts are fine. Your use of theme here is convoluted.

And that "critical examination" isn't according to "scripture"??? but, by the bias of the "examiner"?

No. I said "responsible exegesis." That activity endeavors to get beyond the bias of any one person. Responsible exegesis is always peer reviewed.

"Nothing's changed"?? yet most "Christian" churchs do not honor GOD'S seventh day of the week Sabbath, but honor the first day of the week---Sunday.

so what? That doesn't mean that the Sabbath has changed. (And, BTW, I'm not responsible for what other people do.)

True, the Sabbath of GOD is the seventh day of the week. NOT one(any) day in seven. Pointed out and written on stone tablets by GOD-----not preconceived by me.

I call habeas corpus. produce these stone tablets, along with proof that they are authentic, because I'm pretty sure that God didn't write on tablets and send them down the mountain with Moses. We're pretty sure Moses is a literary figure, not an historical one.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It was the custom during that time to count each portion of a day as a day. For instance, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

That still doesn't get you to "three days and three nights".

- Day 1: Friday
- Night 1: Friday sunset to Saturday sunrise
- Day 2: Saturday
- Night 2: Saturday sunset to Sunday sunrise

And the tomb was found empty at dawn on Sunday. Even counting a part as a whole, you have two days and two nights, not three days and three nights.

Edit: even if you say that they found the tomb empty slightly later than dawn (and allow for the possibility that Jesus was in the tomb for a few minutes on Sunday and count this as a whole day), that still only brings you up to 3 days and 2 nights; it still falls short of Jesus' prophecy.

 

[james2ko]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Hi James, Sorry, but, you haven't nullified anything. Nor have you proven a 72 hour period in the tomb. The scriptural account still is valid---and shows that Christ was Crucified on Friday and rose from the tomb on the first day of the week(Sunday).


See post #91 of that thread. In one's own mind, anything can be believed, but isn't necessarily correct. The correctness is in the context of the scriptures---not in one's opinion.

James, the proof is in the context of the Scriptures---NOT in the "timeline you listed" in an attempt to secure a 72 hour opinion.

The first day of the week follows the seventh day of the week. That seventh day of the week is the Sabbath which GOD designated as HIS TRUE BLESSED AND SANCTIFIED DAY. Your "time-line" omits the fact/and significance of the obligation of the seventh day Sabbath to bestill effectively witnessing to a valid Commandment.

BTW,----SO??? Your attempt at removal of the resurrection day from Sunday will not negate it as a day/the day it has attained. It is truth and prophesied.

Lets continue the discussion here to avoid redundancy. We'll pick it up from post 93.

 

[sincerly]

One has to wonder how celebrating the resurrection is, in any way, disobedience to God???

Hi sojourner, The same "excuse" can be used for any disobedience. In fact, didn't Eve "see that the "tree" was good fo food, "pleasant to the eyes", "and a tree desired to make one wise"????
For many years, I attended church(several) on Sunday and the reason given for Sunday observance was---Jesus arose on that day.

The Israelites looked upon the "serpent of brass" to be healed from being snake bit; then they began to worship that "image". I had to be destroyed because it became a replacement for the True GOD.
The day upon which Jesus Christ arose, was given the status of the Seventh day Sabbath and Eusebius admits of the change to Sunday and Constantine gave legal(governmental) sanction to the fact in his decree to change it(March 7, A.D. 321). That's all history---and on the authority of man----NOT GOD. The "Remember the Sabbath" is GOD's Authority. Any change is "disobedience".

The texts are fine. Your use of theme here is convoluted.

The convolution isn't by me, but by those who have been in tune to their own "continual evil imaginations" for the last 4500 years. During (2Pet.3:6-16) Peter's writing, persons were not only twisting Paul's epistles, but the Scriptures as well.

No. I said "responsible exegesis." That activity endeavors to get beyond the bias of any one person. Responsible exegesis is always peer reviewed.

"peer reviewed"??? Who are "peers"? They are "like-minded"--"equals"--The "bias" doesn't have to be with "one individual", but with the group. All on the "broad road" are deceived. They are "peers" in that respect.

"Nothing's changed"?? yet most "Christian" churchs do not honor GOD'S seventh day of the week Sabbath, but honor the first day of the week---Sunday.

so what? That doesn't mean that the Sabbath has changed. (And, BTW, I'm not responsible for what other people do.)

Correct! The prophecy was "think to change times and laws". In reality, those who have made "decrees and traditions---made by man" have "thought" and "the believing persons of such thinking" are the ones who are deceived into being on that "broad way"

Your "So what?" echos the same response as did Thomas.

I call habeas corpus. produce these stone tablets, along with proof that they are authentic, because I'm pretty sure that God didn't write on tablets and send them down the mountain with Moses. We're pretty sure Moses is a literary figure, not an historical one.

Jesus isn't going to and I can't produce the stone tablets. As Jesus said to Thomas, John 20:27-29, "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed."
Jesus/and the Scriptures have given "examples" enough for one to "believe" or "deny HIM". Now, the choice is in the control of the individual.

NO, as you said, """I'm not responsible for what other people do.""", BUT you are responsible for your own decisions/Beliefs.

Then you say, "we're"---which places you in the agreement with others. In 2Pet.1:10, he admonishes one to "make their calling and election sure."
Therefore, Is it the "group's thinking" or by the correct Scripture giving correct understanding to Scripture that determines beliefs??