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Does the universe need intelligence to order it?

godnotgod

Thou art That
So much for that oncoming wave salad you keep preaching....

but you did use the word.... timeless.....

maybe there is a glimmer of hope in that nothingness you claim to be.

From the very beginning, not one thing exists, not even hope, nor a whimper of any 'I' who can make a claim. There is only pure, unadulterated, timeless, virgin Nothingness out of which Everything seemingly comes.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
From the very beginning, not one thing exists, not even hope, nor a whimper of any 'I' who can make a claim. There is only pure, unadulterated, timeless, virgin Nothingness out of which Everything seemingly comes.

You might call the void...a virgin veil....but that's gone.
All things are set in motion by the touch of God.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Quoting Robert Evens.....
In my own humble way, I could have said that monkeys would not have done that, no matter how much time they had. Time was at one time seen as the ''hero''. But monkeys are monkeys!

It appears without intelligence involved in creation, we have no right to expect anything positively happening at all.[/QUOTE]

So when seated at the Table.....still behaving as a talking monkey...
The angelic might pass the Bread and Wine to .....you?
 

shawn001

Well-Known Member
Trying telling that to L Krauss... he says everything comes from nothing, as others do

No he doesn't and no they don't. They look at the possiblity of the virtual particles causing the bang and that's
Yes, but all of this is achieved by focusing attention on the hara*, just below the navel. It is the hara that is the seat of consciousness in the body, not the brain. Beyond this, when the (kundalini) energy dormant at the base of the spine is awakened, it travels upwards along the spinal chord and illumines the brain, supercharging it, realizing the full potential of the brain via transformation. This transformation is called 'Enlightenment'.

*or the focus can be on the breath.

"focusing attention on the hara*, just below the navel. It is the hara that is the seat of consciousness in the body, not the brain. Beyond this, when the (kundalini) energy dormant at the base of the spine is awakened, it travels upwards along the spinal chord and illumines the brain, supercharging it, realizing the full potential of the brain via transformation. This transformation is called 'Enlightenment'."

LOL
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
"focusing attention on the hara*, just below the navel. It is the hara that is the seat of consciousness in the body, not the brain. Beyond this, when the (kundalini) energy dormant at the base of the spine is awakened, it travels upwards along the spinal chord and illumines the brain, supercharging it, realizing the full potential of the brain via transformation. This transformation is called 'Enlightenment'."

LOL

How little you know.
 
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godnotgod

Thou art That
You might call the void...a virgin veil....but that's gone.
All things are set in motion by the touch of God.

Thief was there. He witnessed it right as it occurred. God gave him special privilege, cuz he was Adam in his past life, having eating of the Forbidden Fruit which allowed him to 'see as God sees', wink wink.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I think you do. What you said in your preceding post ( #2817 ) was a belief.

It's not a criticism, I mean we all have beliefs and assumptions. The debate is about how valid they are, and whether they are based on something tangible or just on wishful thinking.

I do see a lot of clutching at metaphysical straws. Human life is brief, challenging and uncertain, and it seems people have a strong need for something comforting to believe in. That's understandable, but let's at least be honest about why people have the beliefs they do.
No beliefs, I change everyday, what I see today may change tomorrow, beliefs are prisons, and I am not a prisoner.
 

shawn001

Well-Known Member
How little you know.

I knew for one the Bang wasn't an explosion.



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Note: The Hara is sometimes called a chakra in certain metaphysical schools. Although similar to a chakra, the hara is fundamentally different, it's in a league of its own.

The Hara is located at the navel, about two inches inwards from the skin. It is the gateway into the etheric envelope surrounding the planet. This portal is called the Hara by the Taoists and is very often referred to in martial arts. Hara means ‘sea of energy’ and this is exactly what it is. The etheric envelope is like an infinite ocean of energy. It is no coincidence that as a fetus you were fed through the navel. In fact you could still feed (on energy) through the Hara if you were to open all energetic blockages in the belly.

When the umbilical cord was cut when you were first born you suffered a trauma due to the physical pain which caused your etheric body to close at this point. The physical body closed from the outside as the skin healed together forming the belly button and at the same time the etheric body closed from within, cutting off your connection to the Hara. The Hara is a gateway, opening into the planets’ etheric. It is a passive portal and does not force anything into you. To gain energy from the Hara it must be sucked out, so to speak. For example: as a fetus you were drawing nutrients through the umbilical cord and at the same time drawing energy through the Hara. When the umbilical cord was cut you stopped drawing nutrients through the navel and also stopped drawing energy through the Hara. Because you stopped actively drawing energy through the Hara and because of the physical and emotional trauma, the energies around the Hara quickly closed over. As Samskaras formed and your energy bodies became more chaotic with age, the Hara was buried deeper still, cutting you off from its powers.

The Hara is the center of the etheric or chi body. It is about an inch in diameter and is the gateway into the ocean of chi. Around the Hara and with it as the center there is an envelope of energy called the ‘tan tien’. This tan tien is a ball of etheric energy about the size of a soccer ball. It is filled from the Hara and is often called ‘the cauldron’ in Taoist alchemical texts. This ball of energy interacts with all the organs and especially the intestines as it is where food is turned into energy. Energy is taken from the food and mixed in the tan tien or cauldron before being distributed throughout the body. Having the Hara open and a full tan tien is vital for real health and vitality. Unfortunately most people have many Samskaras and energetic blockages in this area and the fullness that should be felt in the tan tien is absent. This is the main cause of many addictions especially to food. Constantly eating and overeating are an attempt to feel full despite a blocked Hara and empty tan tien.

The Hara and tan tien are very important for the work of Inner Alchemy and especially with the work of Tantric Sex and Inner Power Cultivation. By following the tantric sex practices in Tantric Secrets you will quickly open the Hara and become aware of your tan tien.
How little you know.


I knew the bang wasn't an explosion for one. You didn't seem to know that fact.
 

shawn001

Well-Known Member
There is Nothing. Virtual particles are not real particles.

Wrong and because you don't think so or know doesn't change the fact.

Scientific American.

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Are virtual particles really constantly popping in and out of existence? Or are they merely a mathematical bookkeeping device for quantum mechanics?"

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Gordon Kane, director of the Michigan Center for Theoretical Physics at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, provides this answer.

Virtual particles are indeed real particles. Quantum theory predicts that every particle spends some time as a combination of other particles in all possible ways. These predictions are very well understood and tested.

Are virtual particles really constantly popping in and out of existence? Or are they merely a mathematical bookkeeping device for quantum mechanics? - Scientific American

One more Time, there is no NO-THING in physics or in our universe.
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
No beliefs, I change everyday, what I see today may change tomorrow, beliefs are prisons, and I am not a prisoner.

That's a good way to be, it means having an open mind, allowing for possibilities. Too often people get attached to a belief system, it means their thinking becomes very rigid and their view of the world becomes very narrow.
 
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