Does the universe need intelligence to order it?

[godnotgod]

I am going to say this one more time, even in the vacuum of empty space there is no NO-THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Becoming apoplectic will not make essential Nothingness go away.

Now think about it: if there is no Nothing, how can anything be? Nothing is the background against which Everything is seen. Without it, no form can be determined. Your own consciousness is pure Nothingness. It is the background against which you see the sky.

 

[godnotgod]

Note: The Hara is sometimes called a chakra in certain metaphysical schools. Although similar to a chakra, the hara is fundamentally different, it's in a league of its own.

The Hara is located at the navel, about two inches inwards from the skin. It is the gateway into the etheric envelope surrounding the planet. This portal is called the Hara by the Taoists and is very often referred to in martial arts. Hara means ‘sea of energy’ and this is exactly what it is. The etheric envelope is like an infinite ocean of energy. It is no coincidence that as a fetus you were fed through the navel. In fact you could still feed (on energy) through the Hara if you were to open all energetic blockages in the belly.

When the umbilical cord was cut when you were first born you suffered a trauma due to the physical pain which caused your etheric body to close at this point. The physical body closed from the outside as the skin healed together forming the belly button and at the same time the etheric body closed from within, cutting off your connection to the Hara. The Hara is a gateway, opening into the planets’ etheric. It is a passive portal and does not force anything into you. To gain energy from the Hara it must be sucked out, so to speak. For example: as a fetus you were drawing nutrients through the umbilical cord and at the same time drawing energy through the Hara. When the umbilical cord was cut you stopped drawing nutrients through the navel and also stopped drawing energy through the Hara. Because you stopped actively drawing energy through the Hara and because of the physical and emotional trauma, the energies around the Hara quickly closed over. As Samskaras formed and your energy bodies became more chaotic with age, the Hara was buried deeper still, cutting you off from its powers.

The Hara is the center of the etheric or chi body. It is about an inch in diameter and is the gateway into the ocean of chi. Around the Hara and with it as the center there is an envelope of energy called the ‘tan tien’. This tan tien is a ball of etheric energy about the size of a soccer ball. It is filled from the Hara and is often called ‘the cauldron’ in Taoist alchemical texts. This ball of energy interacts with all the organs and especially the intestines as it is where food is turned into energy. Energy is taken from the food and mixed in the tan tien or cauldron before being distributed throughout the body. Having the Hara open and a full tan tien is vital for real health and vitality. Unfortunately most people have many Samskaras and energetic blockages in this area and the fullness that should be felt in the tan tien is absent. This is the main cause of many addictions especially to food. Constantly eating and overeating are an attempt to feel full despite a blocked Hara and empty tan tien.

The Hara and tan tien are very important for the work of Inner Alchemy and especially with the work of Tantric Sex and Inner Power Cultivation. By following the tantric sex practices in Tantric Secrets you will quickly open the Hara and become aware of your tan tien.

I posted a similar description of the hara, at which you laughed. So why did you post this cut and paste job? To show me you actually knew something about it?

The point was, at any rate, that the brain is not the center of consciousness the West has made it out to be.

 

[godnotgod]

LOL once again. When you quote Einstein on QM it makes me laugh. This is another thing you don't study but I do.

So why don't you know anything?

 

[shawn001]

Quantum physics just got less complicated

Quantum physics just got less complicated

Also as I showed you before.


Empty Space is NOT Empty

Published on Apr 30, 2013
An atom is mostly empty space, but empty space is mostly not empty. The reason it looks empty is because electrons and photons don't interact with the stuff that is there, quark and gluon field fluctuations.
It actually takes energy to clear out space and make a true 'empty' vacuum. This seems incredibly counter-intuitive but we can make an analogy to a permanent magnet. When at low energies, like at room temperature, there is a magnetic field around the magnet due to the alignment of all the magnetic moments of the atoms. But if you add some energy to it by heating it, the particles gain thermal energy, which above the Curie temperature makes their magnetic moments randomly oriented and hence destroying the magnetic field. So in this case energy is needed to clear out the field, just as in the quantum vacuum.

The quantum vacuum is actually energy and is not No-thing.

Here is a newer Scientific American article.

"
A vacuum might seem like empty space, but scientists have discovered a new way to seemingly get something from that nothingness, such as light. And the finding could ultimately help scientists build incredibly powerful quantum computers or shed light on the earliest moments in the universe's history.

Quantum physics explains that there are limits to how precisely one can know the properties of the most basic units of matter—for instance, one can never absolutely know a particle's position and momentum at the same time. One bizarre consequence of this uncertainty is that a vacuum is never completely empty, but instead buzzes with so-called “virtual particles” that constantly wink into and out of existence.

These virtual particles often appear in pairs that near-instantaneously cancel themselves out. Still, before they vanish, they can have very real effects on their surroundings. For instance, photons—packets of light—can pop in and out of a vacuum. When two mirrors are placed facing each other in a vacuum, more virtual photons can exist around the outside of the mirrors than between them, generating a seemingly mysterious force that pushes the mirrors together.


"Something from Nothing? A Vacuum Can Yield Flashes of Light - Scientific American




I'll say this again too, close your eyes and picture nothing, you can't.

 

[godnotgod]

You also can't close your eyes and picture NO-THING.

If you bring the thinking mind to a halt, what is left is pure Nothingness, which is consciousness.

 

[shawn001]

I posted a similar description of the hara, at which you laughed. So why did you post this cut and paste job? To show me you actually knew something about it?

The point was, at any rate, that the brain is not the center of consciousness the West has made it out to be.

Right consciousness is two inches below your belly button I won't waste my time here with this.

Why do we hav brains then?

In no time at all I could change your consciousness via the brain.

 

[godnotgod]

The quantum vacuum is actually energy and is not No-thing.

The background against which the energy and all other 'particles' exist is Nothingness.

I'll say this again too, close your eyes and picture nothing, you can't.

How can you picture Nothing, when it is No-thing? Stop the thinking mind, then you wlll experience the nothingness of consciousness.

 

[shawn001]

If you bring the thinking mind to a halt, what is left is pure Nothingness, which is consciousness.

LOL again.

"thinking mind" =the brain and yes if you flick the electrical and chemical communications off from the neurons communicating you would not be conscious and hence dead and even dead you can create or destroy energy. It just changes form.

You can't think of no-thing while actually conscious though. Its not possible.

 

[shawn001]

.The background against which the energy and all other 'particles' exist is Nothingness



How can you picture Nothing, when it is No-thing? Stop the thinking mind, then you wlll experience the nothingness of consciousness.

"The background against which the energy and all other 'particles' exist is Nothingness"

wrong.

 

[godnotgod]

Right consciousness is two inches below your belly button I won't waste my time here with this.

Why do we hav brains then?

In no time at all I could change your consciousness via the brain.

No, you cannot. Consciousness is immutable and non-local.

I told you before: we have brains so that consciousness can focus on what is immediately present. Consciousness has relegated autonomic functions to the brain so it needn't deal with them on an upfront basis every second of the day, whch would only get in the way. We don't need to pay attention to breathing, heart beat, digestion, blood flow, etc. as the brain does that without conscious attention. However, when we do apply conscious attention, we can alter these functions, more proof that consciousness is in control.

 

[godnotgod]

"The background against which the energy and all other 'particles' exist is Nothingness"

wrong.

Then how do you know they are what they are? A field is required for figure to be seen as figure.

 

[godnotgod]

LOL again.

"thinking mind" =the brain and yes if you flick the electrical and chemical communications off from the neurons communicating you would not be conscious and hence dead and even dead you can create or destroy energy. It just changes form.

You can't think of no-thing while actually conscious though. Its not possible.

I guess you've never done any meditation, then, so how would you know?. Via meditation, thinking can be completely stopped. What remains is only consciousness.

 

[godnotgod]

Right consciousness is two inches below your belly button

Correct.

 

[shawn001]

I use a deeper form clinical hypnotherapy and yes I know a ton about it all and worked many years with researcher on it all forover 15 year and still stay up on the science. Your missing alot because you also don't know about the subconscious role in it all your conscious and subconscious brain work together, especially to keep you safe, its hard wired to the brain the fight or flight response. . Why do you think I posted the brain waves chart.

Alpha waves in the brain in meditation. Theta waves as you go deeper right before sleep. Its also a heighten state of focus.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

"The background against which the energy and all other 'particles' exist is Nothingness"
wrong.

It looks like a muddle of pseudo-science and mysticism to me.

 

[shawn001]

Correct.

Like to see some published peer reviewed studies on that which I know you have?

I am done talking about consciousness in your navel, sorry not going there anymore.

Probably a "gut Feeling" before they found The enteric nervous system nicknamed the second brain.

 

[Tiapan]

So how does non-material consciousness arise from 'material' atoms, atoms which we now know to over 99.9999.....% empty space, and whose mass recent discoveries are showing is created by fluctuations in the Quantum field as virtual particles?

Is electricity or light virtual?
both exist but what are they?
Energy
Is a vacuum a vacuum if a photon travels through it?
Where did the universes angular momentum come from if not from a previous collapsing universe?
Why was the protouniverse's smallest size around 30,000km in diameter not "nothing" or a "point source".?
(hint remember you will have difficulty violating the speed of light rule).
Consciousness has sprung through evolution to manifest itself in higher animals. Animals are as you point out over 99.9999.....% empty space yet have obviously achieved it from what was previously "inanimate material atoms matter". So I don't see what the arguement is. Get a pile of atoms arranged the right way enough times and it will happen. As fun as QM is relating quantum string and standing wave wave theory on our rather newtonian macroscale is as you know a bit silly because we only see an averaged effect on the macroscale.

 

[godnotgod]

I use a deeper form clinical hypnotherapy and yes I know a ton about it all and worked many years with researcher on it all forover 15 year and still stay up on the science. Your missing alot because you also don't know about the subconscious role in it all your conscious and subconscious brain work together, especially to keep you safe, its hard wired to the brain the fight or flight response. . Why do you think I posted the brain waves chart.

Alpha waves in the brain in meditation. Theta waves as you go deeper right before sleep. Its also a heighten state of focus.

I'm not going to go over the same old crap with you that I've already addressed. I told you: Alpha wave activity increases with meditation, putting the brain in a state of rest, which is consistent with turning off thinking, and entering into a higher state of conscious awareness. Many people meditate and gain a calm disposition as a result, but this is only the surface of meditation. It can lead to a higher state of consciousness as well.

 

[godnotgod]

Like to see some published peer reviewed studies on that which I know you have?

I am done talking about consciousness in your navel, sorry not going there anymore.

Probably a "gut Feeling" before they found The enteric nervous system nicknamed the second brain.

You're still nibbling around the edges with your clinical analysis approach, which will get you nowhere.

 

[shawn001]

Everyone on this thread should watch this if they haven't seen it. Its a big part of this discussion on consciousness. It can also have major health benefits.

Through The Wormhole Mysteries of the Subconscious