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Downward spiral of morals in America.

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Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Why do you despise what God says about this issue, in which I am referencing why I feel the same way as God does?

I despise what your God says on the matter for the same reason I despise what God says in Exodus 21.

So how do you treat your slaves? Do you marked them properly with a notch on the ear? If you rape a female slave and she has a son, will you care for her and the boy properly?

You're either morally cool with that passage, or you are cherry picking. Give me a break.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Christians are commanded to judge, how else would we as Christians be able to correct someone's error of scriptures, like yours for instance. King James Bible, John 7:24.
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

And you judged according to the appearance. Erroneously, I might add.
 

shava

Active Member
I despise what your God says on the matter for the same reason I despise what God says in Exodus 21.

So how do you treat your slaves? Do you marked them properly with a notch on the ear? If you rape a female slave and she has a son, will you care for her and the boy properly?

You're either morally cool with that passage, or you are cherry picking. Give me a break.
I don't have slaves, do you? Your interpretation on the passage is incorrect, might I direct you to a unbias list of commentaries that can help you understand the true definition, try Biblegateway.
 

shava

Active Member
And you judged according to the appearance. Erroneously, I might add.
You wouldn't lie would you, uh apparently you would in this particular instance, shows me your true character, and it's not good, at all.
 

Laika

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Lies? I think not.
  • Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
  • Leviticus 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."
  • 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
  • Romans 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Homosexuality is clearly condemned in the Bible. It undermines God's created order where He made Adam and Eve, a man and a woman, to carry out his command to fill and subdue the earth (Genesis 1:28). Homosexuality cannot fulfill that mandate. Also, homosexuality undermines the basic family unit of husband and wife which is the God-ordained means of procreation. Again, homosexuality cannot do that. And, believe it or not, homosexuality is also dangerous to society. (See Is homosexuality dangerous? for the statistics)

Homosexuality has a heavy judgment administered by God Himself upon those who commit it and support it.

Romans 1:26-27, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

As a result of being "given over", they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. They will not seek forgiveness, and they will not repent. They will then die in their sins and face God's righteous condemnation. But, their rebellion against God does not stop there. Those who are judged by God this way, also promote their sin and condemn others who don't approve of their behavior.

Romans 1:32, "...and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them."

So, in their "hearty approval" of homosexuality, they encourage others to accept their practice, and so their sin and rebellion against God spread. This means they will reject Christ's redemptive work on the cross. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, they will have no salvation. Without salvation, there is only damnation in eternal hell. We Christians don't want this for anyone. We want them to experience the great love of God through the person and work of Christ who died for our sins (1 Peter 2:24).

Persecution of the non-politically correct?
The Bible's view of homosexuality is not politically correct - and this is a concern. Will the Bible soon be considered hate speech by the moral-less majority? There is already significant social pressure being put on the American populace to accept homosexuality as normal and healthy. Homosexuality is promoted in movies, television, magazines, schools, etc. Social re-engineering is well underway. Yet statistically, only 3% of the population are homosexuals.2 Christians, on the other hand, occupy a far higher percentage, 70%3 yet they are not fairly represented in the media. Instead, Christians are routinely portrayed as bigots, narrow-minded idiots, hypocrites, and worse. Why? Because there are little tolerance and equality from the left for those who disagree with them. The social attitude of America is slowly being engineered to accept liberal sexual behavior while condemning and silencing those who disagree. Since behavior follows belief, what is to stop our increasingly liberal society from acting on its silence-the-opposition attitude and become more and more harsh in its dealings with Christians? Nothing. In fact, there are increasing calls to get Christians kicked off of social networks for speaking out against homosexual marriage. Silence the Christians! At work, many Bible believers are told to go through sensitivity training in favor of the LGBT community, even though such "sensitivity training" is highly offensive to them. If they don't go, they can be fired. It seems that sensitivity must be shown towards the homosexuals, but never towards the Christians. This hypocrisy is blatant and dangerous.

And then there is the increase in lawsuits. Will homosexuals attend churches for the purpose of asking pastors to perform a wedding and then when they are refused, they sue? Will they seek out Christian owned businesses and ask to have a cake baked, a wedding photographed, or music played at their homosexual wedding and then file a lawsuit when Christians who are holding to their religious convictions refuse to comply? It is already happening, and such legal attacks are on the increase. In light of this, I suggest that you look at history to see what politically correct momentum can do in and to a society. Think of Nazi Germany and the Jews. Do some research on communist Russia and its persecution of dissenters in the 1900s. History is full of examples of how those in politically correct power oppress those who don't agree with them. If you think the comparison is too extreme, then you join with many throughout history who said "It will never happen", and then sat by and watched it manifest

Historically, Communist countries criminalised homosexuality. The most notable exception was Russia from 1917 to 1934 when the government decided it was not the role of the state to determine whether homosexuality should be prohibited as there was discussion amongst psychologists as to whether homosexuality could be considered a mental illness. East Germany also legalised homosexuality in the 60's but it wasn't widely accepted and was still taboo. Otherwise Communists enforced very traditional and conservative gender roles (except for women being in the workplace) with a cult of motherhood in which it was the duty of women to procreate on behalf of the state. For most Communists both inside and outside the Soviet Union, homosexuality was regarded as a form of weakness and as incompatable with the political militancy of the working class. They viewed it as "fascist" (due to the widespread homosexuality in the SA in Nazi Germany) and as a symptom of bourgeois moral degeneracy and decay. Accusations of homosexuality were also grounds for being purged in the USSR in the 1930's.

[The Nazis were opposed to homosexuality with far greater consistency than the Soviets, though some homosexuals were members and were involved with the brown shirts or SA until the night of the long knives in 1934.]

Political correctness refers to a slur that was used against communists who followed the party line, but it's meaning migrated to refer to New Left ideologies which uphold equality on the basis of race, gender and sexuality among other things (all of which the Soviets and Chinese communists would have had issues with as forms of "Liberalism" for upholding individual rights).

Anyway- I'm interrupting your thread. As a communist it just annoys me when "we" get used as the bogeyman when people don't know the history. It's just so DULL! People used to hate and fear us for a reason. Now people don't even remember what the whole thing was about and equate us with liberal vegans and students who take their sexual frustration out on authority figures. It's all very degrading.

So, no. We are not the source of all the evils in the world, though I appreciate the fact you still think we can bring about the collapse of western civilisation and raise hell. Does look rather fun after all.

Regards,
Laika, aka "the enemy within."
 

McBell

Unbound
I don't have slaves, do you?
Why you no have slaves?
I do not have slaves because I cannot afford them.
They cost mucho much to feed and clothe.
Since the Bible has no problem with the owning of slaves, I will be getting me some as soon as I saved enough.
 

McBell

Unbound
You wouldn't lie would you, uh apparently you would in this particular instance, shows me your true character, and it's not good, at all.
YOU are the one busted in a possible lie.
Please be so kind as to spell out what that tells you about you.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
The LGBTQ has added another letter to there logo, it's now LGBTQP which is Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transsexual, Queer, and now pedophilia. Folks, this country has spiraled downward since 1961, when divorce was the big issue, and now, we have all of this to deal with, pitiful. We need God in our lives more now than ever before.

The American Psychiatric Diagnostic Manual, reference # 302.2, has made it, that as long as it doesn't cause any stress in your occupation or soci...al life, and you're happy, then being a Pedophile is a ok, how pathetic have people become when Professionals decide to lower the moral standards to help a group of sick individuals to be considered normal, just so they can be happy.

Look it up for yourselves. About 30 years ago some psychiatrists protested and walked out of a convention in protest demanding the psychiatric reference for being gay be amended, those who walked out, were gay psychiatrists, and, guess what, they got there way, and now you know the rest of the story.

The American Psychiatric Diagnostic Manual is the so called sacred book on what's considered normal and abnormal in regards to mental health.


It happens 1 'letter' at a time as you say, each individual slackening of moral standards may not seem culture changing to most of us at the time,

but somehow we went from the Andy Griffith Show to 'Grand Theft Auto' in a few short decades.
 

shava

Active Member
It happens 1 'letter' at a time as you say, each individual slackening of moral standards may not seem culture changing to most of us at the time,

but somehow we went from the Andy Griffith Show to 'Grand Theft Auto' in a few short decades.
Well said, thanks for having the backbone to say what you did.
 

McBell

Unbound
Choir? Do you always talk in symbols, why not just say what you mean in pure English, is that really asking to much?
you are so used to preaching to the choir that you do not know how to preach otherwise.
We are not in the choir.
You are going to have to support your bold empty claims with something other than more bold empty claims.

Hopefully that is dumbed down enough for you to understand.
If not, someone else will have to have a go at dumbing it down further.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Christians are commanded to judge, how else would we as Christians be able to correct someone's error of scriptures, like yours for instance. King James Bible, John 7:24.
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

So, John can override Jesus? He sent the disciples out to heal the sick, "cast out demons", and spread the gospel. He didn't say "oh by the way, if you think you know better than I do, change what I said".
 
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