End times?

[rational experiences]

Time is light.

So you ask who wants earths light to not exist.

Our light. We're all humans equal after all. Story told by humans.

A claim I will end light?

Claim its also about Jesus. The four day Gods body Stone heavens spirit....all of life in sacrifice.

By one man. The scientist. A human. A human who tells stories.

As he theories about no light in his reactions. Always did. Sciences.

Only scientists pose such theories. That claim is calculated terms for machine reactions.

So first of all gods earth mass isn't alight.

Already rock isn't seen.

Wait a minute says the theists..... I'm looking at it. Really?

No. I'm not. It owns a history unseen.

In that history light ended alight as it disappeared.

Hence man the scientist hadn't yet learnt his human lying lesson.

As Jesus is a total story. Where in a four day earthquake. Tectonic. Carpenter. The sky lost light.

So why would any human allow another human to machine theory using Jesus quotes in satanic sciences?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

But, InvestigateTruth, return of Jesus has already happened in your religion. Was not your Iranian preacher the returning Christ, the all rolled into one Messiah, Sayoshant, Kalki, Metreya, as prophesied in earlier scriptures? You also have had the Mahdi who was put to death. Now, who remains to come?

Right, so, that's why in my view, the world is going through tribulations.

 

[Clara Tea]

Big meteors/comets & a red giant Sun pose problems.
But someone else will have to deal with'm.

The sun will turn into a red giant, engulfing the planets and killing all life in billions of years. But in far less time, the human species will have evolved. Probably humans are too stupid to stay alive for much longer. Humans pollute the planet, make wars, build nukes, etc. I think that humans will die at their own hands long before nature kills them. Animals don't harm the planet the way humans do (and they say that we're smarter).

 

[Clara Tea]

Right, so, that's why in my view, the world is going through tribulations.

Mahdi was put to death? God will get them for that one, Walter. (catch phrase of Bea Arthur, TV show Maude).

 

[Revoltingest]

The sun will turn into a red giant, engulfing the planets and killing all life in billions of years. But in far less time, the human species will have evolved. Probably humans are too stupid to stay alive for much longer. Humans pollute the planet, make wars, build nukes, etc. I think that humans will die at their own hands long before nature kills them. Animals don't harm the planet the way humans do (and they say that we're smarter).

Intelligence doesn't necessarily mean making intelligent decisions.
And only rarely in the animal world is it selected for as a favorable trait.

 

[Clara Tea]

Big meteors/comets & a red giant Sun pose problems.
But someone else will have to deal with'm.

I noted the pock marked moon and large craters on earth, and often thought that it is possible that a meteor could wipe out all life. It wasn't until the Shoemaker-Levy-9 comet collided with Jupiter that scientists took it seriously. Now we have near-earth object tracking, but that is not going to give us enough time to prevent the disaster. Asteroids could easily bump (in the asteroid belt) and knock an asteroid into the earth.

 

[Mock Turtle]

So you are saying someone imagined these?

(Job 9:8-9) 8 Stretching out the heavens by himself And treading upon the high waves of the sea; 9 Making the Ash constellation, the Keʹsil constellation, And the Kiʹmah constellation and the interior rooms of the South;

(Job 38:31-33) 31 Can you tie the ropes of the Kiʹmah constellation Or untie the cords of the Keʹsil constellation? 32 Can you lead out a constellation in its season Or guide the Ash constellation along with its sons? 33 Do you know the laws governing the heavens, Or can you impose their authority on the earth?

“The Ash constellation.” Heb., ʽAsh. Thought by some to be the constellation Ursa Major (Great Bear).
“The Kesil constellation.” Heb., Kesilʹ. Thought by some to be the constellation Orion.

“And the Kimah constellation.” Heb., weKhi·mahʹ. Thought by some to be the Pleiades stars in the Taurus constellation.

“The One making the Pleiades and Hesperus and Arcturus and the storerooms of the South,” LXX; Vg, “who makes Arcturus and Orion and the Hyades and the interior rooms of the South.” The interior rooms of the South are understood to be the constellations below the equator, in the southern hemisphere.

“The Mazzaroth constellation.” Heb., Maz·za·rohthʹ; Gr., Ma·zou·rothʹ (as in 2 Kings 23:5 where it is translated “constellations of the zodiac”); Sy, “the Wagon constellation”; Lat., lu·ciʹfe·rum, “the light bearer.”
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(Amos 5:8) 8 The Maker of the Kiʹmah constellation and the Keʹsil constellation, and the One turning deep shadow into the morning itself, and the One who has made day itself dark as night, the One calling for the waters of the sea, that he may pour them out upon the surface of the earth. . .

(Job 26:7-8) 7 He is stretching out the north over the empty place, Hanging the earth upon nothing; 8 Wrapping up the waters in his clouds, So that the cloud mass is not split under them;

This, at a time when the belief was that the earth must have been supported by some physical object(s).​

(Ecclesiastes 1:7) 7 All the streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is not full. To the place from which the streams flow, there they return so as to flow again.

It was not until the 1800’s that the earth’s water cycle was well understood. Yet, thousands of years ago, religious people wrote this...
(Job 36:27-28) 27 He draws up the drops of water; They condense into rain from his mist; 28 Then the clouds pour it down; They shower down upon mankind.

(Isaiah 55:10) 10 For just as the rain and the snow pour down from heaven And do not return there until they saturate the earth, making it produce and sprout, Giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,

That's quite an imagination, don't you think? ...and that's only a fraction of what they knew, before they were discovered, only recently.

No idea what they meant then, but I doubt the visual ability of the ancients was any better than ours or these galaxies were any closer so as to be visible, even if the sky at night was rather clearer than it is for most of us now. As mentioned, they could have meant constellations or whatever. And I'm not dismissing the fact that some things were known, but just in no way comparable as to what we know now, and as to corresponding with reality. It's just this knowledge gap that seems so suspicious, and where there are other explanations as to where religious texts came from - in my view.

 

[Clara Tea]

Intelligence doesn't necessarily mean making intelligent decisions.
And only rarely in the animal world is it selected for as a favorable trait.

It seems that bird dances and bright plumage is preferred over intelligence.

Some say that welfare causes reverse natural selection. Natural selection should allow the poor to die, and breed the rich with the rich.

Some say that the poor have more kids, and that might "dumb down" the population.

There are fewer inventions these days, but it is not due to a lack of ingenuity, rather due to a lack of smaller inventions that lead to big ones (lets remember that President Ronald Reagan radically altered the patent office.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Time is light.

Often played at strip clubs I believe - when I didn't go to them.

 

[Clara Tea]

No idea what they meant then, but I doubt the visual ability of the ancients was any better than ours or these galaxies were any closer so as to be visible, even if the sky at night was rather clearer than it is for most of us now. As mentioned, they could have meant constellations or whatever. And I'm not dismissing the fact that some things were known, but just in no way comparable as to what we know now, and as to corresponding with reality. It's just this knowledge gap that seems so suspicious, and where there are other explanations as to where religious texts came from - in my view.

How much does the sky change in a few thousand years?

The website, above, shows that the sky changes with time. Even 5,000 years might be enough time to see some changes.

 

[Revoltingest]

I noted the pock marked moon and large craters on earth, and often thought that it is possible that a meteor could wipe out all life. It wasn't until the Shoemaker-Levy-9 comet collided with Jupiter that scientists took it seriously. Now we have near-earth object tracking, but that is not going to give us enough time to prevent the disaster. Asteroids could easily bump (in the asteroid belt) and knock an asteroid into the earth.

We humans have some preparations in place,
eg, seed banks. (Although Putin is bombing
the one in Ukraine.) We could do more to
ensure survival of humans & our culture.

 

[Revoltingest]

It seems that bird dances and bright plumage is preferred over intelligence.

Some say that welfare causes reverse natural selection. Natural selection should allow the poor to die, and breed the rich with the rich.

Some say that the poor have more kids, and that might "dumb down" the population.

There are fewer inventions these days, but it is not due to a lack of ingenuity, rather due to a lack of smaller inventions that lead to big ones (lets remember that President Ronald Reagan radically altered the patent office.

Do we really have fewer inventions?
Or are they just less noticeable to people
not in the increasingly arcane tech fields?

 

[Clara Tea]

As is happening now.

The world is getting worse now, and we are in the end times. Many have predicted it. End times began when President W. Bush (and his father) attacked Iraq (according to the bible, in the chapter called Revelation).

 

[rational experiences]

As the book was shut. You are reading it after the fact.

Second coming church fall happened around 1000AD.

Church failed as human minds changed. Oath was forgotten. Built for brain mind entrainment healing.

It was always going to fail. You can't challenge the gods .. rock stone and win.

Theme is the past.

So if a burning meteor hit earth like Russia 1901... that sent out a cloud covering earth. Then it must have.

Men are science theists.

Men theory the same terms. Dusts of earth.

Stars. Star fall. Sun themes.

So of course you can read the bible and it seem familiar. As it is.

What you forget scientist you keep claiming each time that your new design reactor is safer than the last.

Yet the sun made holes in earth first.

What's logical about science. It's not.

When you say you await a new end...science knows it caused it before. And it will be new not the same as the old.

Answer we shifted back in time closer to destruction each time. So Jesus wasn't a better outcome than Moses it was different.

 

[Mock Turtle]

How much does the sky change in a few thousand years?

The website, above, shows that the sky changes with time. Even 5,000 years might be enough time to see some changes.

Well I know that the sky does change over time, more with star positions no doubt than galaxies, but my point was more about the distances involved and hence the visibility of so many galaxies that aren't visible to the naked eye apart from the few. I have a decent set of binoculars, so I have seen the rings around Saturn, the impact of Shoemaker-Levy on Jupiter and such, but without such aids we would simply not see them.

 

[pearl]

Why not consider 'transformation' as opposed to 'destruction' of the world?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Intelligence doesn't necessarily mean making intelligent decisions.
And only rarely in the animal world is it selected for as a favorable trait.

So too, among humans.

 

[Clara Tea]

Do we really have fewer inventions?
Or are they just less noticeable to people
not in the increasingly arcane tech fields?

FEWER INVENTIONS (President Ronald Reagan didn't understand the value of intellectual property rights (patents).



Reagan’s Executive Order 12591-1



President Reagan's Executive Order 12591-1 (Extending the Bayh-Dole Act to all Federal contracting):



Federal agencies grant patents to contractors in exchange for royalty-free right to use.



Statement on Signing the Patent Law Amendments Act of 1984



President Reagan's approval of H.R. 6286, the Patent Law Amendments Act of 1984. The outcome didn't match stated goals.



Hitting the Books: How Ronald Reagan torpedoed sensible drug patenting | Engadget



According to the website, above, President Reagan torpedoed sensible drug patenting. Reagan packed the courts with his judges, and allowed large corporations to patent government research that made monopolies on name-brand drugs.



Reagan’s Executive Order 12591-1



IBM spent a fortune developing the IBM PC, but Compaq (and others) made PC clones cheaper. This occurred as a result of weakened patents.



T. Boone Pickens - Wikipedia



T. Boone Pickens bought companies, chopped them into pieces, and sold them off. Patents were sold, etc. Once broke, the companies then filed for bankruptcy only to be bailed out by tax money. Those companies, traded internationally on US stock exchanges, were often owned by foreign investors. We don't know who owns American companies, nor American land. We can be assured that foreign nationals are buying American land and companies at an alarming rate.

Outsourced factories (to take advantage of cheap foreign labor and cheap foreign materials) resulted in the firing of many highly qualified educated engineers in the US, and the hiring of 25 cent per day slave children in China to take their place (of course the products don't work right, but then you have to buy a new one when it breaks).

 

[Aupmanyav]

Right, so, that's why in my view, the world is going through tribulations.

Some interesting things.
1. According to Sunni Muslims, Jesus will come in Saffron robes. Really?
2. He will pray behind Mahdi and kill Dajjal.
3. Then Mahdi and Jesus will conquer the world and establish Caliphate.

So, what do Bahais believe?
1. Has Jesus already appeared, an if so was it in the form of Your Iranian teacher?
2. What does it mean? Did he pray behind Bab (since you consider Bab to be the Mahdi)? Which Dajjal did your returning Jesus killed?
3. Have your Mahdi and returning Jesus conquered the world and established any Caliphate?
4. Christians think that the Returning Jesus will establish the (eternal) kingdom of God. Do Bahais think that the kingdom of God has already been established?
5. Why should world go through tribulations when both Mahdi and Returning Jesus have come and gone (it has been 130 years since then), and the kingdom of God has already been established?

This saffron clad has subdued many Dajjals. Yogi Adityanath, Chief Minister of India's most populous State, Uttar Pradesh ( >220 million).

 

[Clara Tea]

Well I know that the sky does change over time, more with star positions no doubt than galaxies, but my point was more about the distances involved and hence the visibility of so many galaxies that aren't visible to the naked eye apart from the few. I have a decent set of binoculars, so I have seen the rings around Saturn, the impact of Shoemaker-Levy on Jupiter and such, but without such aids we would simply not see them.

Some might argue that the bible is something like binoculars. That is, we might not notice things, unless we have some kind of aid to allow us to understand (or see) better.

Before the comet hit Jupiter, scientists thought that the chances of a comet hitting earth were very remote.