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So?God is someday going to somehow put an end to the world.....
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So?God is someday going to somehow put an end to the world.....
I find the King James uses the words 'goodwill among men' when it is: ' peace among men of goodwill '.My theology informs me that God isn't a failure and isn't Going to end the world. It is my faith that the Gospel of the Kingdom will eventually subdue mankind and usher in an age of "Light and Life", peace on earth and goodwill among men.
For the purposes of discussion imagine that God is someday going to somehow put an end to the world.....
According to your religious beliefs what exactly do you expect to happen?
Eschatology is not one of my strong points and I'm more than a little confused about Christian teachings on the matter and as far as I can see there are many different and conflicting views within Christianity as to what exactly will happen
But how do you (no matter what your religion is) think God will end the world? - and why do you believe what you believe?
And are there currently any signs to be seen that may suggest The End is approaching?
I have started watching YouTube videos about it to educate myself
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For the purposes of discussion imagine that God is someday going to somehow put an end to the world.....
According to your religious beliefs what exactly do you expect to happen?
Eschatology is not one of my strong points and I'm more than a little confused about Christian teachings on the matter and as far as I can see there are many different and conflicting views within Christianity as to what exactly will happen
But how do you (no matter what your religion is) think God will end the world? - and why do you believe what you believe?
And are there currently any signs to be seen that may suggest The End is approaching?
I have started watching YouTube videos about it to educate myself
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For the purposes of discussion imagine that God is someday going to somehow put an end to the world.....
According to your religious beliefs what exactly do you expect to happen?
Eschatology is not one of my strong points and I'm more than a little confused about Christian teachings on the matter and as far as I can see there are many different and conflicting views within Christianity as to what exactly will happen
But how do you (no matter what your religion is) think God will end the world? - and why do you believe what you believe?
And are there currently any signs to be seen that may suggest The End is approaching?
I have started watching YouTube videos about it to educate myself
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Antichrist | The figure who acts as Satan’s lead agent on earth during the end times. Most Christian scenarios predict the Antichrist — a sort of evil twin of Jesus in many ways — will forge a one-world government through promises of peace. When Jesus returns, he will expose the Antichrist as an impostor, defeat him in the battle of Armageddon, and reign with the Christian martyrs for a thousand years on earth. | |||
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Apocalyptic | Referring to the belief that the end of the world as we know it is approaching, usually through a sudden, catataclysmic transformation. Comes from the Greek word apokalypsis meaning “the lifting of a veil,” or a revelation. Also the name given to a specific genre of prophetic literature, of which the book of Revelation is best known. Western apocalyptic traditions tend to be dualistic, in that they view this end as the final outcome of an ongoing battle between good and evil forces, usually represented by God and Satan. | |||
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Armageddon | The geographic location given in the book of Revelation (16:16) for the climactic battle between Christ and Antichrist, with Christ’s victory ushering in his thousand-year reign on earth. Named after the hill near the town of Megiddo in Palestine, which due to its strategic location overlooking major military and trade routes was the site of many ancient battles. | |||
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Chiliasm | The belief that the righteous will enjoy their rewards here on earth. In Christianity, this has meant belief in the millennium, Christ’s thousand-year reign on earth. From the Greek chilioi meaning “thousand.” | |||
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Daniel | The book of Daniel, the most famous of the Jewish apocalypses, and the source of many of the ideas and symbols in Revelation. Likely written in the 2nd century B.C. as a response to the desecration of the Temple by Antiochus IV of Syria, although the author is cast back to the time of the Exile and “predicts” events back to the present. In Daniel, one sees many of the elements of the apocalyptic world view coming together for the first time in a single work. In it, God’s chosen rise up and overthrow their oppressors, thus inheriting “the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven.” | |||
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Dispensationalism | A theological system which breaks history down into discrete epochs, called dispensations, in each of which God has offered humans a different means of salvation. First developed in the mid-19th century by English theologian John Nelson Darby, dispensationalism found its most popular expression in the “Scofield Reference Bible” of the early 20th century. See premillennialism, below. | |||
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Eschatology | The study of “last things,” or the end of human history. Although specific interpretations vary widely, most Christian eschatologies center on the belief that the just will be rewarded when God triumphs over Satan in the last days. | |||
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Messianism | The belief that a chosen individual holds the key to a higher truth which will lead to salvation for his followers. Extreme forms of apocalyptic belief have tended to manifest themselves through messianic figures, from Montanus in the 2nd century to David Koresh in 1993. Messiahs tend to be highly charismatic individuals prone to megalomania and violence. | |||
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Millennial | Referring to a period of 1000 years, such as the end of the second Christian millennium in the year 2000. In religious terms, anything referring to the expected thousand-year reign of Christ on earth after the events of the last days have brought an end to this world. Such a radical transformation could come at any time, although expectations tend to increase at round markers such as the year 2000. Related to chiliasm, above. | |||
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Millenarian | Referring to more extreme millennial expectations, in which belief in an imminent apocalyptic transformation tends to spur the faithful into action, often of a violent nature. | |||
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Postmillennialism | The belief that Christ will return only after humans have established a millennial kingdom on earth through their own efforts. In extreme forms, postmillennial beliefs have given rise to violent theocracies, such as that of Thomas Muntzer in 16th century Germany. But a more typical example is the milder postmillennialism of most New England Puritans, who believed they were building just such a righteous society, a “city on a hill.” This type of apocalyptic expectation has gone hand-in-hand with social reform movements, and has contributed to the notion of divinely ordained progress which has played an important role in American history. | |||
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Premillennialism | The belief that God’s millennial kingdom will not come until Christ returns to save a sinful humanity and defeat the forces of Satan. Specific interpretations vary as to the exact timing of the Second Coming — at the beginning, middle, or end of the Tribulation period. But in general, premillennialists tend to be highly pessimistic about the present state of the world, yet anxiously await a perfect world in the near future. By placing the fate of mankind squarely in God’s hands, premillennialism has tended to discourage social action, concentrating instead on conversion and preparation for final judgment. | |||
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Rapture | The belief that true believers in Christ will be taken bodily into heaven just prior to or during the Tribulation period, and thus be spared the horrible fate awaiting those left behind on earth. The rapture is an integral part of the premillennial dispensationalist systems which have dominated Christian prophecy belief in the second half of the 20th century, as it proposes faith in Christ as the only route to salvation. | |||
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Revelation | The book of Revelation, also known as “The Revelation to John” and “St. John’s Apocalypse,” is the primary source of inspiration for Christian prophecy believers. The last book and only apocalypse in the New Testament, it was likely written in the last decade of the first century, during a period of great turmoil after the destruction of the second Jewish Temple by the Romans in 70 A.D. Biblical scholars are skeptical of the historical claim that the Apostle John was its author.Millions of Christians have taken the events so vividly described in Revelation as a blueprint for what will happen in the last days as God brings an end to this world. But beyond that, many ideas and symbols from Revelation have found a place in the wider culture, including: the Mark of the Beast, represented by the number “666;” the seven seals; the four horsemen of the Apocalypse; the Whore of Babylon; and the battle of Armageddon. | |||
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Tribulation | A period of upheaval, usually seven years in length, during which Satan will exert control over the earth through the antichrist. All but a small remnant of Christian faithful — perhaps numbering 144,000 — will die as a result of wars, plagues, and famine. The Tribulation will end with Christ’s defeat of the antichrist at Armageddon, ushering God’s millennial kingdom on earth. |
I don't get one exactly, isn't 1980 already gone, please, right?Absolutely. No later than 2080. A new world will appear in the time around 1980.
My favorite end time kook was the late Harold Camping.Christians have been predicting the end of the world since Jesus' time. Indeed he said that generation "would not pass" until the end came. Various "prophets" have given various dates (which have all come and gone) for the end. I wouldn't waste my time on youtube videos made by end-times kooks.
My favorite end time kook was the late Harold Camping.
You should have heard the hymns they made about it. That was incredibly hilarious when I heard them on the radio.But his efforts led to the largest advertisement campaign in history
The internet historian has a really good doccumentary about the whole insane event
Antichrist | The figure who acts as Satan’s lead agent on earth during the end times. Most Christian scenarios predict the Antichrist — a sort of evil twin of Jesus in many ways — will forge a one-world government through promises of peace. When Jesus returns, he will expose the Antichrist as an impostor, defeat him in the battle of Armageddon, and reign with the Christian martyrs for a thousand years on earth. | |||
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Apocalyptic | Referring to the belief that the end of the world as we know it is approaching, usually through a sudden, catataclysmic transformation. Comes from the Greek word apokalypsis meaning “the lifting of a veil,” or a revelation. Also the name given to a specific genre of prophetic literature, of which the book of Revelation is best known. Western apocalyptic traditions tend to be dualistic, in that they view this end as the final outcome of an ongoing battle between good and evil forces, usually represented by God and Satan. | |||
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Armageddon | The geographic location given in the book of Revelation (16:16) for the climactic battle between Christ and Antichrist, with Christ’s victory ushering in his thousand-year reign on earth. Named after the hill near the town of Megiddo in Palestine, which due to its strategic location overlooking major military and trade routes was the site of many ancient battles. | |||
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Chiliasm | The belief that the righteous will enjoy their rewards here on earth. In Christianity, this has meant belief in the millennium, Christ’s thousand-year reign on earth. From the Greek chilioi meaning “thousand.” | |||
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Daniel | The book of Daniel, the most famous of the Jewish apocalypses, and the source of many of the ideas and symbols in Revelation. Likely written in the 2nd century B.C. as a response to the desecration of the Temple by Antiochus IV of Syria, although the author is cast back to the time of the Exile and “predicts” events back to the present. In Daniel, one sees many of the elements of the apocalyptic world view coming together for the first time in a single work. In it, God’s chosen rise up and overthrow their oppressors, thus inheriting “the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven.” | |||
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Dispensationalism | A theological system which breaks history down into discrete epochs, called dispensations, in each of which God has offered humans a different means of salvation. First developed in the mid-19th century by English theologian John Nelson Darby, dispensationalism found its most popular expression in the “Scofield Reference Bible” of the early 20th century. See premillennialism, below. | |||
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Eschatology | The study of “last things,” or the end of human history. Although specific interpretations vary widely, most Christian eschatologies center on the belief that the just will be rewarded when God triumphs over Satan in the last days. | |||
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Messianism | The belief that a chosen individual holds the key to a higher truth which will lead to salvation for his followers. Extreme forms of apocalyptic belief have tended to manifest themselves through messianic figures, from Montanus in the 2nd century to David Koresh in 1993. Messiahs tend to be highly charismatic individuals prone to megalomania and violence. | |||
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Millennial | Referring to a period of 1000 years, such as the end of the second Christian millennium in the year 2000. In religious terms, anything referring to the expected thousand-year reign of Christ on earth after the events of the last days have brought an end to this world. Such a radical transformation could come at any time, although expectations tend to increase at round markers such as the year 2000. Related to chiliasm, above. | |||
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Millenarian | Referring to more extreme millennial expectations, in which belief in an imminent apocalyptic transformation tends to spur the faithful into action, often of a violent nature. | |||
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Postmillennialism | The belief that Christ will return only after humans have established a millennial kingdom on earth through their own efforts. In extreme forms, postmillennial beliefs have given rise to violent theocracies, such as that of Thomas Muntzer in 16th century Germany. But a more typical example is the milder postmillennialism of most New England Puritans, who believed they were building just such a righteous society, a “city on a hill.” This type of apocalyptic expectation has gone hand-in-hand with social reform movements, and has contributed to the notion of divinely ordained progress which has played an important role in American history. | |||
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Premillennialism | The belief that God’s millennial kingdom will not come until Christ returns to save a sinful humanity and defeat the forces of Satan. Specific interpretations vary as to the exact timing of the Second Coming — at the beginning, middle, or end of the Tribulation period. But in general, premillennialists tend to be highly pessimistic about the present state of the world, yet anxiously await a perfect world in the near future. By placing the fate of mankind squarely in God’s hands, premillennialism has tended to discourage social action, concentrating instead on conversion and preparation for final judgment. | |||
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Rapture | The belief that true believers in Christ will be taken bodily into heaven just prior to or during the Tribulation period, and thus be spared the horrible fate awaiting those left behind on earth. The rapture is an integral part of the premillennial dispensationalist systems which have dominated Christian prophecy belief in the second half of the 20th century, as it proposes faith in Christ as the only route to salvation. | |||
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Revelation | The book of Revelation, also known as “The Revelation to John” and “St. John’s Apocalypse,” is the primary source of inspiration for Christian prophecy believers. The last book and only apocalypse in the New Testament, it was likely written in the last decade of the first century, during a period of great turmoil after the destruction of the second Jewish Temple by the Romans in 70 A.D. Biblical scholars are skeptical of the historical claim that the Apostle John was its author.Millions of Christians have taken the events so vividly described in Revelation as a blueprint for what will happen in the last days as God brings an end to this world. But beyond that, many ideas and symbols from Revelation have found a place in the wider culture, including: the Mark of the Beast, represented by the number “666;” the seven seals; the four horsemen of the Apocalypse; the Whore of Babylon; and the battle of Armageddon. | |||
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Tribulation | A period of upheaval, usually seven years in length, during which Satan will exert control over the earth through the antichrist. All but a small remnant of Christian faithful — perhaps numbering 144,000 — will die as a result of wars, plagues, and famine. The Tribulation will end with Christ’s defeat of the antichrist at Armageddon, ushering God’s millennial kingdom on earth. |
I don't get one exactly, isn't 1980 already gone, please, right?Absolutely. No later than 2080. A new world will appear in the time around 1980.
For the purposes of discussion imagine that God is someday going to somehow put an end to the world.....
According to your religious beliefs what exactly do you expect to happen?
Looks like I'm not sure either. I can't believe these posts are a year ago, time flies. (Be silent before the face of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is near) . Seems like Zephaniah 1 and 2. Maybe Psalms 37: Be silent before the Lord and wait expectantly for Him; do not be agitated by one who prospers in his way, by the man who carries out evil plans ... I'm bad at remembering Bible verses. I must be thinking that just before the second coming, just before the Lord returns, the time for preaching the Gospel is over. Be silent before the day that the Lord will act. Remember in Revelation? Silence in Heaven for about the space of half an hour?I'm Not sure where is the verse you have in mind ^ above ^ _________________
I agree that we can't know the day or the hour, only the Father in heaven can know that.Right, the day and hour we don't know, but we do know when a season (harvest time) is ripe - Matthew 24:32-39
So if I'm right about the timing, what would I do about it right now? Stay close to home? Keep inside the house? Lock the doors until the Lord's Wrath is past??Just as we don't know when a thief would come but be prepared such as with locked doors.
Instead of silence Jesus gave the instruction as found at Matthew 24:13-14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8
To proclaim on a grand global international scale the good news of God's Kingdom - Daniel 2:44-45
Not knowing the day or hour does Not mean we don't know when the season is ripe - Matthew 24:32-33Looks like I'm not sure either. I can't believe these posts are a year ago, time flies. (Be silent before the face of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is near) . Seems like Zephaniah 1 and 2. Maybe Psalms 37: Be silent before the Lord and wait expectantly for Him; do not be agitated by one who prospers in his way, by the man who carries out evil plans ... I'm bad at remembering Bible verses. I must be thinking that just before the second coming, just before the Lord returns, the time for preaching the Gospel is over. Be silent before the day that the Lord will act. Remember in Revelation? Silence in Heaven for about the space of half an hour?
"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
I must think we're in the half an hour of silence now. The half an hour is half a hora, half of a designated time span. The equivalent of the Two Witnesses laying dead in the street for 3.5 days, or 3.5 years, or half of a "seven", half a heptad. "Hour" was translated from the Greek "hora", before there were 60 minute segments of time.
I agree that we can't know the day or the hour, only the Father in heaven can know that.
So if I'm right about the timing, what would I do about it right now? Stay close to home? Keep inside the house? Lock the doors until the Lord's Wrath is past??
"Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. - Isaiah 26:20
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
I must think that we're already past that point in time. I must think that the Gospel has already been preached to all nations. And I must think that we are living in that end which has come. The judgment of the living has to be completed prior to Christ's return, for when He appears we will be like Him in the twinkling of an eye. Jesus mentioned a thing about the night when no man can work. It's just the wrong place and the wrong time to be a Jehovah's Witness.
I must think the only thing happening in that field now are new babies being born. Some of those are our brothers and our fellow servants covered by the Westminster Confession of Faith re the elect infants. Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days! Can you imagine? When Christ returns we will be like Him. Can you imagine being a pregnant woman, or nursing mother and missing that boat? I would think that to be a rare and terrible remorse, the ultimate remorse to experience.
10.3 Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit,a who worketh when, and where, and how he pleaseth.b So also are all other elect persons who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.c
The 'way I find it' must be as recorded at Matt. 24:14; Acts 1:8......Seriously, we are in end times, the lost souls are not aware, and that's the way it must be, end times is synonymous with judgement.
Yes, and Genesis does teach we did Not cause our own existence.The difficulty some people have in understanding the reality represented by the concept of God is that it is all that is, iow, you are an expression of the universe, you did not cause your own existence, it is just a transitional event of the universal all that is/God/Tao/Nirvana/or your own name for the concept of 'all that is'.
It certainly was for me. I was a non-believer for many years and in comparison of those years and now (since I began to accept God as the great instructor and reading and learning about the Bible) it is like closing the book on one part of my life and starting a far better new one.According to Jesus, the greatest death is spiritual death - to reject and disbelieve in God is far worse than physical death.