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Enemy's enemies are your friends - jews and Christians, unlikely friendship

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Why should it matter if you are a Jew, Christian, or a Muslim? That is superficial in regards to being a friend or enemy to someone. Can you really compare Jews of the 13th C to Jews today?

Someone is guaranteed to categorize people of yesterday to people of today. A Jew is a Jew kinda stereotyping.
 
The regular people from all around are too busy fighting with one another to see who and what their genuine enemies are. What’s hilarious are they are practically worshipping them and looking to them for answers.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
He provides nothing but a strong religious bias against anything Islam, as Sooda is pointed out his bias is no accurate.

That is mean. I personally am very ecumenic when it comes to religious beliefs. For instance, i know people who still believe in Thor (PBUH) and Odin (PBUHT). And I treat them all with the same identical respect.

Ciao

- viole
 

sooda

Veteran Member
He provides nothing but a strong religious bias against anything Islam, as Sooda is pointed out his bias is no accurate.

The Russian and European Jews who sought sanctuary in Palestine despised the Palestinian Jews, Muslims and Christians. They treated them as inferior and taunted them about becoming slaves to the Zionists. They got off on the wrong foot by 1920 and it was completely effed up.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
I see Christians as the odd group out because of the Trinity and mangod worship.

I would rather we all just be friends and stop killing each other, at least.

Unfortunately, Christianity has been hijacked.
Most professing Christianity believe Jesus is actually God, yet even w/ this belief, during a conflict they disobey him and take up arms against their 'foriegn' brother, simply because they live in opposing countries. As if Jesus' command @ John 13:34-35 has limits.

In his book "The Modern Use of the Bible", Minister Harry Emerson Fosdick wrote: “Our Western history has been one war after another. We have bred men for war, trained men for war; we have glorified war; we have made warriors our heroes and even in our churches we have put the battle flags. . . . With one corner of our mouth we have praised the Prince of Peace and with the other we have glorified war. So well have we succeeded in blending Christ and carnage, the Gospel and organized slaughter, that recently a missionary in an Oriental country, after an address upon Christian goodwill, was taken aside by a native, who said, ‘You must know that the educated people of this country look upon Christianity as a warring, blood-spilling religion."
Fortunately, some Christians don't accept such practices and are peaceable, genuinely following their "Prince of Peace."
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
(By "friends" I here mean any kind of ally in religious terms.)

Taking into account history, should Jews and Christians be friends? Or Jews and muslims? Or Muslims and Christians?

Which one would make a most likely friendship?

Muslims got along well with Jews for centuries. Christians have persecuted Jews to say the least. The Qur'an describes Christians as being nearer to Muslims than Jews.

Jews and Christians at least recognize each other's religion. Nowadays both Christians and Jews see Islam as a kind of enemy. At the same time some Jews consider Muslims allies against the west (Christians?) and some Muslims also actually hold Jews in higher esteem in certain aspects compared to Christians.

Jews and Christians should not be friends with Muslims.

A glimpse of any Muslim map of how Palestine should be, reveals that they would prefer Israel didn't exist, and that Jews give away their entire country. There is no negotiation, no "friendship" with that kind of mindset. Only borders work.

As for Jews and Christians, a strained friendship is possible. The Christians should support a state of Israel, and defend it from harm. However, it is my opinion that several have turned their back on what it actually means to be Jewish, and either have become Christian, or rejected Christ to the point where they instead accept Islam (their actual enemy). Or atheism (also an enemy, as it reflects the powers of the world's governments).

The problem here is a false dichotomy. When we read the Bible as a history, we see that the early fathers such as Noah and Abram, had a very personal relationship with God. The Phariseees, however, in an effort to preserve the fundamentals of Judaism following several attempts to occupy and subvert Israel, became instead fixated not on this relationship with God but rather in the netilat yadayim , kashrut, and observance of Sabbath. In other words, God became secondary to the following of the Law.

Jews create this false dichotomy:

1. Either we accept fully the person of Jesus as the Messiah
2. Or we reject him (even that he existed in some cases) and instead try to become more like Muslims and the secular people.

See, there is a third option:
3a. Maybe you see Jesus as a minor prophet who tried to get Jews away from senseless legalism,
3b. Or as not so much a real person as a metaphor for a call to be more like Moses with his personal encounters with God.
3c. Or Jesus was not the Messiah and the real Messiah is coming, but we must not discount what Jesus said because God was speaking through him.

All of these three seem quite different, but the result is the same. Jews remain Jewish, but understand that there is something lost here by seeing Christianity as antithetical to it.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
(By "friends" I here mean any kind of ally in religious terms.)

Taking into account history, should Jews and Christians be friends? ....

In Bible Christians are Jews and person becomes a Jew, when he becomes a disciple of Jesus (“Christian”). It would be stupid, if Christians would not be friends with Jews.

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them, and became partaker with them of the root and of the richness of the olive tree; don't boast over the branches. But if you boast, it is not you who support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in." True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith. Don't be conceited, but fear; for if God didn't spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off. They also, if they don't continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of that which is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more will these, which are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:17-24

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God.
Romans 2:28-29
 

1213

Well-Known Member
Stupid on whose side?

If you are one with the group, why would you be against the group? If you would be against it, would you really be part of the group? I think it would be same as to be against oneself, which I think is stupid for the person who is against himself.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
If you are one with the group, why would you be against the group? If you would be against it, would you really be part of the group? I think it would be same as to be against oneself, which I think is stupid for the person who is against himself.
You assume that Christians and Jews are one and the same.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
By what the Bible tells, they should be the same.
But not by what the Tanach says. So you see, the problem is that you assume Jews should accept the NT. Jews, however, strongly disagree. This is why Jews see no reason to ally with Christians on the basis of supposedly "being the same".
So, I'll ask again: stupid on whose side?
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I believe allies and friends are two different things. As Christians we are required to love everyone but we are not required to agree with them. I have friends on Facebook who hold different political and religious opinions that I don't agree with. An ally is someone one can depend on and usually alliances depends on who is doing the attacking and who is being attacked.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I see Christians as the odd group out because of the Trinity and mangod worship.

I would rather we all just be friends and stop killing each other, at least.

I believe Christians are the last men standing after everyone else is wiped out.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Well Muslims were on average less hostile to Jews than Christians were including some periods of relative harmony. I'm not sure 'got along well' is entirely accurate.

I believe that is because the Muslims held and may still do, to a three god concept that the Qu'ran told them not to even mention.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
According to the Tanakh as interpreted by Jews, Christianity shouldn't exist.
But not by what the Tanach says. So you see, the problem is that you assume Jews should accept the NT. Jews, however, strongly disagree. This is why Jews see no reason to ally with Christians on the basis of supposedly "being the same".
So, I'll ask again: stupid on whose side?

I know for a fact you guys been talking to the JW's... Don't let them ruin friendships for everyone.
 
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