CarlinKnew
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Or demanded.
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Eternal grovelling or nonexistence?
- Thread starter CarlinKnew
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Or demanded.
God does not demand it. Its called free will.
Demand doesn't make it happen; hence demand is meaningless.
Why would anyone want freewill when the consequences of exercising that freewill can equal a torment in hell?
CarlinKnew
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It's free will in the same sense that if I put a gun to your head and demand your money, you have a free choice to keep it.
CarlinKnew
Well-Known Member
Is a demand made at gunpoint meaningless? Of course it doesn't "make" anything happen, but it sure provides some motivation.
Hmm I see no one holding a Gun to my head. There is no one holding one to your head either yet you still choose to not believe in God. That is free will. If God demanded obedience you would not have the choice to disobey Him, like you are doing now. The fact you are able to be here and question this is proof of free will.
CarlinKnew
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The gun to my head is the threat of hell or nonexistence. I thought the metaphor was self explanatory.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
I disagree.
Even if one takes the position that God exists, it does not prove freewill
Is this knowledge stopping you from being an atheist Carlinknew? Ill answer to save time. No. So how is it a threat to you?
CarlinKnew
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It's not a threat to me because I don't take the Bible seriously, it's a work of fiction. I'm speaking hypothetically. The God of the Bible demands worship at the threat of eternal punishment. If I did take the Bible seriously then it certainly would be a threat to me.
OmarKhayyam
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IF you believe this mythology it most certainly IS an offer you can’t refuse. Done in the best Vito Corleone tradition. And if YOU did it you would be convicted of extortion and set to JAIL. And properly so.
Your loving and caring god is a common criminal and WOULD be in jail in any civilized society.
Your loving and caring god is a common criminal and WOULD be in jail in any civilized society.
If you took the Bible seriously you would know that the threat of hell is almost non-existent for Christians. I am no saint, but I follow the rules best I can. I am not worried about God threatening me to hell, because I know I have followed the rules the best I can. So like I said. There is no "gun" to my head or anyone else. I am a Christian. Hell is no threat to me.
Feel free to try and take Him to jail Omarkhayyam. You can play your little violin all day and no one cares. So keep on playing it!
CarlinKnew
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Right, which basically gives Christians an imaginary free pass to do anything as long as they repent, but that's a topic for a different discussion. The concept of hell makes it hard for some Christians to stop believing even when they have strong doubts. It's a horrible fear tactic, but it certainly fulfills its purpose and brings in the tithe.
OmarKhayyam
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That does not answer the argument made.
Surprise!
Believe or burn. That's the offer.
Do you deny that?
Again true Christians have no fear of God. The only fear tactic is the fear you produce in your own mind, because you do not understand Christianity or how it works.
CarlinKnew
Well-Known Member
It's not that complicated, I get it. Worship or pay the price.
That does not answer the argument made.
Surprise!
Believe or burn. That's the offer.
Do you deny that?
You are not paying attention to the thread then. God's offer is Heaven for believers, Hell for non-believers. Carlinknew is refusing the offer to believe. You are refusing the offer to believe. So how is it a offer than cannot be refused? You logic is not very logical.
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Good glad to hear you admit to your fears. Yet you still choose to be an adamant atheist. I can respect that. Just more proof of free will.