eternal universe?

[gnostic]

Generally I agree on the description of what is going on.

But IMO everyone who are speaking of "singularities" are misunderstanding something. "Black holes" in galaxies are just the electromagnetic poles into which everything disappears into the galactic center from where it all is re-formatted to new stars and everything else.

That is: There is no "gravity" at play as we understand this. It is a fluent circuit of formation with an ingoing and outgoing motion which is electromagnetically governed. The magnetic poles in galaxies describe the electric current and the perpendicular magnetic field constitutes the galactic disc.

Stellar black holes are stars that at the very least 3 times (or more) greater than the mass of our sun, which have collapsed upon itself, due to its own gravity. More often than not (stellar) black holes occurred between 5 and 15 solar mass.

You seemed to be talking of supermassive black holes, which occurred at the centres of galaxies.

And though new stars can or could form in the supermassive black holes, new stars more frequently occurred after supernovas and from debris of supernovas like the nebulae.

The images of Eagle Nebula is famous for viewing the formation of new stars.

 

[Parsimony]

What then if Spirits moves in an entangled field?

Quantum entanglement cannot be used to transmit information faster than light, so either spirits are devoid of information or they don't move by entanglement.

 

[Native]

Stellar black holes are stars that at the very least 3 times (or more) greater than the mass of our sun, which have collapsed upon itself, due to its own gravity. More often than not (stellar) black holes occurred between 5 and 15 solar mass.

You seemed to be talking of supermassive black holes, which occurred at the centres of galaxies.

And though new stars can or could form in the supermassive black holes, new stars more frequently occurred after supernovas and from debris of supernovas like the nebulae.

The images of Eagle Nebula is famous for viewing the formation of new stars.

Yes, my example was "a supermassive black hole in galaxies", but regarding the very term of "singularities", this also goes for the "stellar black hole" and the idea of a "star collapsing via its own gravity" thus creating a "singularity hole".

The very idea of a singularity derives from the galactic problem of interpreting the "abnormal" rotation pattern in galaxies. Then mathematicians came up with the very speculative idea of a point where everything disappears, where they should have been thinking of "circuits of formation" instead of thinking on the illusive and metaphysical "dark matter" stuff and "black holes".

Besides this, I don´t think there is enough supernovas to create all the observed stars.

 

[Native]

Quantum entanglement cannot be used to transmit information faster than light, so either spirits are devoid of information or they don't move by entanglement.

Are you sure of this?

Read this article - http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/30/spooky-experiment-proves-quantum-entanglement-is-real/

“What's more, the disappearing particle seems to know that its twin has been discovered through some mechanism that happens instantly, literally traveling faster than the speed of light -- a clear violation of Einstein's theory of relativity”.

 

[gnostic]

Yes, my example was "a supermassive black hole in galaxies", but regarding the very term of "singularities", this also goes for the "stellar black hole" and the idea of a "star collapsing via its own gravity" thus creating a "singularity hole".

The very idea of a singularity derives from the galactic problem of interpreting the "abnormal" rotation pattern in galaxies. Then mathematicians came up with the very speculative idea of a point where everything disappears, where they should have been thinking of "circuits of formation" instead of thinking on the illusive and metaphysical "dark matter" stuff and "black holes".

Besides this, I don´t think there is enough supernovas to create all the observed stars.

Until we develop the technology that can pierce through the centres of galaxies, we really don't know what's going on behind the supermassive black holes.

And dark matters, like dark energy, are still hypothetical at this stage, even though they make a lot of sense, scientifically.

 

[Parsimony]

Are you sure of this?

Read this article - http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/30/spooky-experiment-proves-quantum-entanglement-is-real/

“What's more, the disappearing particle seems to know that its twin has been discovered through some mechanism that happens instantly, literally traveling faster than the speed of light -- a clear violation of Einstein's theory of relativity”.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but you still cannot use it to carry information. An entangled system is initially in a superposition of states (that is, both particles are simultaneously in both spin up and spin down positions) before measurement.The act of measuring collapses the superposition of states into actual positions, with one particle being spin up and the other being spin down. Collapsing the state of one particle will cause the other to collapse into its opposite, no matter how far apart they are. However, you cannot force one particle to be spin up or down. That is why you cannot transmit information with it: the way it collapses is random.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Then we can calculate the maximal speed of spirits in vacuum.

Ciao

- viole

Why exactly does that mean we can calculate the maximum speed of light in a vacuum?

 

[Native]

Until we develop the technology that can pierce through the centres of galaxies, we really don't know what's going on behind the supermassive black holes.

And dark matters, like dark energy, are still hypothetical at this stage, even though they make a lot of sense, scientifically.

If accepting the idea of a galactic center where gas and particles (stars and planets) are drawn into the galactic swirl, all logics must conclude that it all will appear again, allthough in a different form. That is: There must logically be a circuit of formation.

If accepting such a circuit, "dark matter" isn´t necessary and if taking electromagnetism into the equation, such a circuit works both as an attraction and repulsion which explains the so called "galactic rotation curve anomaly".

 

[viole]

Why exactly does that mean we can calculate the maximum speed of light in a vacuum?

I don't know why it means that. But if you mean what it means, then you are right and I stand corrected. There is no maximal speed of light in vacuum. There is only one possible speed, if we want to call it that.

I prefer to see the speed of light in vacuum not as a speed, but as a constant and fixed factor of conversion between space and time. Physicists normally give it the a-dimensional value = 1.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

What then if Spirits moves in an entangled field?

Then, they are not subject to mere electromagnetism. Which is a pretty classic field.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Do you think or believe the universe is eternal or not?

Do you think the initial expansion (big bang) is the beginning of the universe? Or do you think the universe predate this point Iin time?

Which or what physical cosmological model do you accept if it is not the big bang model?

Please explain your position...

I believe the universe is eternal

I believe that the big bang was simply a major change for the universe.

The big band and string models.

 

[viole]

Are you sure of this?

Read this article - http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/30/spooky-experiment-proves-quantum-entanglement-is-real/

“What's more, the disappearing particle seems to know that its twin has been discovered through some mechanism that happens instantly, literally traveling faster than the speed of light -- a clear violation of Einstein's theory of relativity”.

Yes, we are, at least for what we know today. There is even a theorem about it: the no communication theorem.

You can have entanglement, but you cannot use it to transmit information faster than light. You can use it for alternative forms of communication technology, for instance cryptography, as the article mentions, but the speed limit is still the same.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Native]

You can have entanglement, but you cannot use it to transmit information faster than light. You can use it for alternative forms of communication technology, for instance cryptography, as the article mentions, but the speed limit is still the same.

Clearly you are speaking of transmitting information via technological instruments - and not of "entangled mind communication"

 

[viole]

Clearly you are speaking of transmitting information via technological instruments - and not of "entangled mind communication"

Of course.

By the way, what on earth is entangled mind communication?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Native]

By the way, what on earth is entangled mind communication?

It is a term I just invented by thinking of some out-of-body-experiences I´ve had Here instant communication seems to work with much higher velocity than the speed of light

 

[viole]

It is a term I just invented by thinking of some out-of-body-experiences I´ve had Here instant communication seems to work with much higher velocity than the speed of light

How do you know? Was your soul several parsecs away from your body?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Native]

How do you know? Was your soul several parsecs away from your body?

I don´t know, I had no body

 

[Skwim]

I don't know why it means that. But if you mean what it means, then you are right and I stand corrected. There is no maximal speed of light in vacuum. There is only one possible speed, if we want to call it that.

Light can have many speeds, and it does, but all of them are slower than its maximum speed, C = 186,282 miles per second (299,792 kilometers per second), in a vacuum.

On average,

in water light travels at 140,000 mps
in glass it travels at 124,000 mps
in diamond it travels at 77,500 mps
source​

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Lo....vibrations are ubiquitous in the cosmos.....creation and destruction of forms are always happening...but the vibrations (spirit) are forever...

Cool experiment! However I don't see "spirit" here. I see what happens when a substance is vibrating at a frequency that creates zones of high activity/movement/bounce, and zones of a minimum of such, and smaller, free particles are placed on it. That it follows patterns on a square piece of metal of (approximately) uniform density at particular frequencies is no surprise at all. As you could see, there were imperfections in the symmetry of the pattern at points - owing to parts of the metal not being perfectly uniform, or the signal not being perfectly distributed throughout the test platform. What I'm trying to say is - this is not magic in any way, shape or form.

Put another way - I could keep track, over time, of the relative times I took my dog out to do its business each day. If I then selected a framework within which to graph the points of data with regard to time, and I stacked this data into segments that allowed me to average all the points together, you'd begin to see a "mysterious" thing! There would be a definitive pattern to the plot - a symmetry and flow to the fluctuation of the points. Whether or not the dog crapped, or only urinated, etc. Patterns would develop. Does this mean my dog crapping and pissing itself silly is activity that has a "spirit" behind it? I mean... maybe it does, I don't know. That'd be a pretty lame job for a supernatural entity though, in my opinion.

 

[Skwim]

Cool experiment! However I don't see "spirit" here. .

All you have to do is define spirit as vibration and you're home free.


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