Europe aids an ocean of refugees, where's Islam's charity?

[icehorse]

I've learned that you dabble in false dilemma, perhaps believing that you've actually said something meaningful.

In other words, you've learned nothing - you already had that opinion.

 

[icehorse]

I'm gonna take a second stab at Jay's criticisms...

I will acknowledge that the OP painted with a broad brush, and that it wasn't totally accurate. And, as I said earlier, I learned some important facts during the conversation.

That said, I stand behind the spirit of the OP. Islam purports to value charity highly, and yet we see the wealthiest (largely OPEC), Islamic neighbors of Syria providing ZERO refugee settlements. I'm talking about Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Bahrain.

(Now let's assume that someone does some research and discovers that one of the countries listed above has created some small settlement. I still think it's important to put the idea out there, it's the spirit, not the 100% accuracy.)

 

[FearGod]

20% of Jordans population is Syrian refugees, Europes only .07% Syrian refugees.

And we are suffering in Jordan but we never reject one refugee and they're even protected and guarded by the Jordanian army once in the Jordanian lands,

 

[icehorse]

And we are suffering in Jordan but we never reject one refugee and they're even protected and guarded by the Jordanian army once in the Jordanian lands,

And my hat's off to Jordan as far as Syrians go. (Less so when it comes to 70 year old Palestinian refugee camps, but that's a different thread.)

Just based on your figures (which I have not verified), that would amount to:

Jordan providing shelter for 1.6 million Syrians. That's a truly awesome thing.
Europe providing shelter for 525,000 Syrians. Not bad compared to many of Syria's neighbors who are at zero/

 

[Godobeyer]

Sorry, I'm lost in all these posts
Um, which one?

Edit:
I'm honestly just too lazy to look for it, sorry

no probem bro .
#16

 

[Godobeyer]

And my hat's off to Jordan as far as Syrians go. (Less so when it comes to 70 year old Palestinian refugee camps, but that's a different thread.)

Just based on your figures (which I have not verified), that would amount to:

Jordan providing shelter for 1.6 million Syrians. That's a truly awesome thing.
Europe providing shelter for 525,000 Syrians. Not bad compared to many of Syria's neighbors who are at zero/

btw Syria before this civil war , host about 1.2 million Iraqi and may half million Palestians and Lebonness .



Numbering over 1.2 million, Iraqi refugees comprise a large portion of Syria’s population of 18 million.[17] This has caused an increase in the cost of living and caused a strain on infrastructure.[17] [1] Sources like oil, heat, water and electricity were said to be becoming more scarce as demand had gone up.[20] Syrian's deputy foreign minister has stated that the price of food has increased by 30%, property prices by 40%, and
rentals by 150%.[17] [1] Water consumption rose by 21%, costing the Syrian government about 6.8 million US dollars in 2006.[17] The Iraqi population also strained the labor market- Syrian unemployment was 18% in 2006.[17] Refugees put a strain on health services (which are free in Syria), and Syria experienced public school overcrowding.[17] In 2005 and 2006, Syria used $162 million to offer aid to Iraqi refugees in the country.[17]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_Iraq#Iraq_War


I posted a thread before how Algeria host refugee from Niger and Mali at 2013

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/refugee-from-niger-and-mali-invade-our-streets.149781/

 

[Lyndon]

What we see is the wealthiest country, the USA, taking in next to no Syrian refugees, I would bet money Saudi Arabia has taken in more. We have demonstrated that the vast majority of Syrian refugees were taken in by Muslim countries, and the OP goes on like his original point was still valid, rubbish. Only 1800 Syrians taken in by USA; read below;

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...yrian-iraqi-afghan-refugees-article-1.2348616

 

[icehorse]

What we see is the wealthiest country, the USA, taking in next to no Syrian refugees, I would bet money Saudi Arabia has taken in more. We have demonstrated that the vast majority of Syrian refugees were taken in by Muslim countries, and the OP goes on like his original point was still valid, rubbish. Only 1800 Syrians taken in by USA; read below;

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...yrian-iraqi-afghan-refugees-article-1.2348616

We see the US has provided almost $3 billion in aid, double the combined total of Kuwait, SA, UAE, and Qatar. Remember Lyndon, the countries I just listed are all incredibly wealthy, AND they are Syria's neighbors.

 

[Lyndon]

Yeah look at the GDP of USA compared to those countries combined, it should be at least ten times as much. Get real, your comments are nonsense.

 

[icehorse]

Yeah look at the GDP of USA compared to those countries combined, it should be at least ten times as much. Get real, your comments are nonsense.

Look at the pure profit of those OPEC countries, these are some of most wealth-intensive countries in the world.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Look at the pure profit of those OPEC countries, these are some of most wealth-intensive countries in the world.

Actually, some of them do quite abit with that money. Saudi Arabia, for example, pays for their citizens college, up to a doctorates degree (although I strongly suspect women are not allowed to go to college, and last I knew, which probably hasn't changed, they have no laws regarding domestic violence).

 

[Smart_Guy]

Actually, some of them do quite abit with that money. Saudi Arabia, for example, pays for their citizens college, up to a doctorates degree (although I strongly suspect women are not allowed to go to college, and last I knew, which probably hasn't changed, they have no laws regarding domestic violence).

Colleges here are filled with women.
I chauffeur my sisters. They also get monthly allowances of the same amount men do. Unemployed women get monthly salary too to support them (not sure for how long, but it stops once employed). Not to mention that widows and daughters (until married or employed) continue taking the salaries of their departed husbands/fathers. Men older than 21 get nothing of it at all.
The govt. also provides free medical services for costly cases. My uncle, for example, had an open heart surgery completely free of charge, and he's no VIP.
There are many things the rest of the world is not aware of about Saudi Arabia.

As for the topic, Saudi Arabia is a big country and public services are really bad that huge amounts of money is lost. Money here is badly managed that even many locals are neglected. I honestly fear we could have national financial problem if more costs come up with the current state. Oil prices, gold and real estate are already having impacts.

I can't talk much in this or I could get myself in trouble.

Again, I'm not defending, I'm just sayin'.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Again, I'm not defending, I'm just sayin'.

I appreciate the information. I also wish things could be better for you (I've noticed several times you've mentioned a potential risk with what you are doing). Considering the whole debacle over women being allowed to drive, I wouldn't have imagined that women get what they do. I also did not know they had such a health care plan (which really speaks volumes in regards to America's lack of such a health care system).
Do stay safe.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I appreciate the information. I also wish things could be better for you (I've noticed several times you've mentioned a potential risk with what you are doing). Considering the whole debacle over women being allowed to drive, I wouldn't have imagined that women get what they do. I also did not know they had such a health care plan (which really speaks volumes in regards to America's lack of such a health care system).
Do stay safe.

Thank you

I'm not really at risk, it is just against the law to criticize the govt. or raising suspicions. A simple Google search could find my posts. I'm really fine normally.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

The likes of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, etc, don't give a crap about the value of human life. For them, their muslim "brothers" and "sisters" are only valuable if they have something to offer. If they need help, these countries will happily forget about that loving religion they like to advertise when convenient.

And if all those people die trying to get to safety and a better life, they will say it was Allah's will and they will be happy in paradise or some BS like that.

Since when do muslim authorities (and I'm not talking about individual normal common people here) care about other people? They're probably throwing a party not only because we're handling this huge problem here in Europe, even if badly, but also because with a bit of luck these people and all the ones to follow will one day transform our countries in the same kind of ***holes they fled from.

I dislike to say this: but i agree with u

But that would involve the infidels getting involved once again in Muslim countries - which you'd end up opposing further down the line. Seriously, the attitude among some Muslims on this issue is unbelievably bi-polar. One minute you want us out of your countries and to stop meddling in your affairs because we create more problems than we solve; the next minute, the West all of a sudden needs to get involved and do something about the problems we created that you didn't want us to help solve before.

Do you want us to try and sort things out or don't you? Apparently the West are jerks for riding in and removing the big bad tyrants and we're jerks for sitting back and watching Muslim nations try to solve their own problems. So do you want our help or not? Make up your mind already!!

Take it easy Tiger!

Iam not saying occupy Syria as happened in Afghanistan and Iraq. But that US/EU should bomb both isis and assad regime. Cooperate with the moderate rebels, not nusrah.

I have seen a lot of illegal immigrants in Saudi Arabia when i went to Hajj, the majority from african countries.
I think the governement should take care of them a little bit.

I'm sure your country can accept some of the Irakis and Syrians as refugees.

Iran should also do something as they are engaged in this war.

No offense but illegal refugees from Senegal, Ghana, South Africa should be sent back. Only political refugees escaping war or tyranny.

 

[MARCELLO]

Colleges here are filled with women.
I chauffeur my sisters. They also get monthly allowances of the same amount men do. Unemployed women get monthly salary too to support them (not sure for how long, but it stops once employed). Not to mention that widows and daughters (until married or employed) continue taking the salaries of their departed husbands/fathers. Men older than 21 get nothing of it at all.
The govt. also provides free medical services for costly cases. My uncle, for example, had an open heart surgery completely free of charge, and he's no VIP.
There are many things the rest of the world is not aware of about Saudi Arabia.

As for the topic, Saudi Arabia is a big country and public services are really bad that huge amounts of money is lost. Money here is badly managed that even many locals are neglected. I honestly fear we could have national financial problem if more costs come up with the current state. Oil prices, gold and real estate are already having impacts.

I can't talk much in this or I could get myself in trouble.

Again, I'm not defending, I'm just sayin'.

I spent 2 years in Jeddah Saudi Arabia,you can ask me rather than risking smart guy.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

... Islam purports to value charity highly, and yet we see the wealthiest (largely OPEC), Islamic neighbors of Syria providing ZERO refugee settlements. I'm talking about Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Bahrain.

And they should be ashamed of not doing more. You, on the other hand, select 5 countries, representing in aggregate 2% of the Muslim world, and seek to tarnish Islam with the policies of their leaders. It's ugly and your repeated attempts to prettify it should fool absolutely no one.

Parenthetically, according to the New York Times the United States, spanning roughly 3.7 million square miles, has agreed to resettle 1,500 Syrians. Qatar is 11,437 square kilometers, smaller than Connecticut.

 

[icehorse]

And they should be ashamed of not doing more. You, on the other hand, select 5 countries, representing in aggregate 2% of the Muslim world, and seek to tarnish Islam with the policies of their leaders. It's ugly and your repeated attempts to prettify it should fool absolutely no one.

Parenthetically, according to the New York Times the United States, spanning roughly 3.7 million square miles, has agreed to resettle 1,500 Syrians. Qatar is 11,437 square kilometers, smaller than Connecticut.

I would agree with you Jay if Islam limited itself to being a religion. But it does not. Islam claims to be a total solution, religion, law, politics, hygiene, you name it. If you want to support a reform for Islam in which it limits itself, I'll join in that support. But as long as Islam claims the right to rule politically, we must be able to criticize its political failures. You can't eat your cake and have it too.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

@icehorse your hatred for islam will make u depressive because fact is Islam will continue to exist even after your death

All of your efforts wasted.

 

[icehorse]

@icehorse your hatred for islam will make u depressive because fact is Islam will continue to exist even after your death

All of your efforts wasted.

Hi soto1 - I have no expectation that Islam will disappear any time soon. But for the sake of all of us, I hope it reforms itself soon.