Sorry, I am just not seeing anything to follow in there.
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Even one disbeliever on the earth is too much.
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WonderingWorrier
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Thanks for the reply. It is helpful. Please try to listen carefully and I will try to further simplify what I am saying.
Can you follow the logic of this:
So consider I show you three words being bread, oil, and wine.
And then I show you another three different words being corn, olive, grape
And then I show you another three different words being field, oliveyard, and vineyard.
Can you understand these different sets of three words are in fact connected in an alignment way like this:
Field - Oliveyard - Vineyard
Corn - Olive - Grape
Bread - Oil - Wine
The different words are in correct alignment according to their relative group. Because the bread is of the corn of the field. The oil is of the olive of the oliveyard, and the wine is of the grape of the vineyard.
These verses can be seen as being of these three different word groups mentioned:
"And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart". Psalm
"And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants". Samuel.
"When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the gleaning grapes when the vintage is done". isaiah.
"And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel". Hosea.
Look at this:
Field - Oliveyard - Vineyard
Corn - Olive - Grape
Bread - Oil - Wine
Horizontal view shows layers of different three word groups, while vertical view shows words which are in alignment with its group. You will need to understand this concept to be able to follow what I am talking about. The weaving of words into positions, layers horizontal, while vertical speaks through the layers showing their alignment.
You should be able to comprehend that the word corn is not the word bread, and the word bread is not the word field, but they are connected.
Have you got it?
So when i add more layers and you look down the middle alignment:
Field - Oliveyard - Vineyard
Corn - Olive - Grape
Bread - Oil - Wine
Spear - Sword - Bow
Moon - Star - Sun
You can see that Muhammad speaking connecting star and olive tree oil would be correct alignment.
And just like I mentioned before star and sword is correct alignment.
So the oil and the star is connected, just as the star and the sword is connected. And the oil and the sword is connected. They are all connected.
"The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords". Psalm.
Field - Oliveyard - Vineyard
Corn - Olive - Grape
Bread - Oil - Wine
Spear - Sword - Bow
Moon - Star - Sun
Oil, Sword, and Star are words that are in alignment.
Does that make any sense to you?
Sorry. Not seeing the point, nor does it really make any real sense.
McBell
Unbound
So then, I am not the only one...
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
Thank you both. I really appreciate the feedback. This is better than no reply as it gives me something to consider and thats what I need. I am sure crazy people think that they make sense.
But I might not be making sense, because I am actually trying to talk about nonsense. Unheard words.
To hear what the words are saying you will need to understand what they are doing. Then they can be heard plain and clear.
Like I can listen to Muhammad talking about Hell and I can hear what he is talking about.
"Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!"
"Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning)".
"And We shall drive the sinners to Hell, like thirsty cattle driven down to water,-"
I accept these "signs". His words are correct. The truth is in the positioning of his words. He is able to speak through the layers.
I can show you the different layers that he is speaking through, and you can see in bold their alignment:
Position 1 - Position 2 - Position 3
Tent - House - Palace
Brass - Silver - Gold
Cattle - Goat - Sheep
So you can see Muhammad is speaking about Hell as being in the low position.
If you can understand low level words, then you could consider the possibility of low level separation.
Is it possible to separate the moon, is it possible to separate the sea?
Moon and Sea are also low level words.
Moon - Star - Sun
Sea - River - Stream
Can you now understand what I am trying to talk about?
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
I can see your concern.
But I promise it will not happen.
Islam is declining gradually in many countries
Between the demographic concerns and the impressive difficulty of mutual understanding between Islam and other communities, I can't share your optimism.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Islam is declining:
Middle East: Are people losing their religion? – DW – 02/04/2021
Recent surveys indicate strongly that across the Middle East and Iran, almost half the population is loosening their ties to Islam. Governments have reacted differently to calls for reforms of institutional religion.
"Middle East (MNN) — A senior cleric made waves in Iran earlier this month by saying Islam was weak. Roughly two-thirds of Iran’s mosques have closed, he said – a “worrying admission” for a state built around the principles of Islam."
“I think we’re seeing the collapse of Islam” - Mission Network News
Middle East (MNN) -- Muslims are not only turning away from Islam. Many are turning to Jesus.
www.mnnonline.org
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
There are and there will be bigger wars in Middle east Muslim countries.
Many of those Muslims will have to migrate to save their life.
When they will come to European and other countries as Refugees, they will gradually be dissolved in other countries, and become less and less.
You will see that process in the coming decades soon. Perhaps sooner.
stevecanuck
Well-Known Member
I don't think so. Take Egypt for example. I lived there twice, 6 years apart, and the obvious uptick in religiosity in the whole country was obvious. When I was at the end of my first gig almost no women at work wore a jihad, but 6 years later every single one of them had their hair covered. More of the men had beards and wore prayer caps at work. Islamism is metastasizing right in front of us, and of course to say so is now called 'Islamophobia'.
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Unfortunately, that is all but certain.
Quite so.
That is just not very likely to happen, not organically anyway - unless some serious effort at questioning Islam takes shape, at least.
You are definitely a lot more optimistic than me on this regard.
stevecanuck
Well-Known Member
If you think of all of the racially obvious immigrants and who of those have assimilated the best, I can't think of a better example than the Chinese. And I don't think it's a coincidence that the vast majority of them arrived without political or religious baggage.
This may have to do with the Iranian policy in the past that told people not to have too many kids. Now they admit it was a mistake. Back then, there was high propaganda against over-population. This maybe due to population decrease or combination of that and religiousness decreasing. I don't know.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Population of Iran increased from 37 millions to 88 millions over the past 45 years.
I thought you know about Iran.
What period is he talking about though?
Iran Faces Record Low Population Growth Rate
Iran’s fast-declining population growth rate has not improved despite massive budget allocations to a regeneration scheme, a prominent commentator has pointed out.
www.iranintl.com
So, you are saying that you actually expect the Mahdi and Jesus both to present themselves in the future to humanity as whole so that literally no one disbelieves their existence and eschatological significance?
That is pretty tall bet.
Also, there are at least two serious problems beyond matters of likelihood. The second is that it is incompatible with other predictions of very similar origins. The first is that it is sort of harmful for believers, particularly by the religious, ethical and civilizatory perspectives.
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Usually disbelievers try to squash the truth forcefully (when it comes manifestly in terms of miracles). If Satan can't convince disbelievers this time to do it, the truth will spread. If he convinces them to oppress believers and try to force people not to accept the Mahdi (a) and Jesus (a), God will destroy them as he destroyed many nations of the past.
Uh... that is libel. Collective libel, no less.
You are not the owner of an allegorical "truth" to brandish it that way.
For that matter, neither is the Qur'an.
And this, this is just dark, dystopic fantasy.
Odd how Abrahamists have such a poor grasp of their own core beliefs and their consequences. I have seen it for five decades now, but it is still very weird.