Everyone, whether they choose to admit it or not is religious.

[Flat Earth Kyle]

interesting, that you for sharing. I didn't know that.
So what your are saying is that since everyone either has good temperament or bad temperament, everyone is religious.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I'm just stating it how it is. The truth hurts sometimes.
Whenever someone says anything, they risk someone else taking it as an insult.
That is just the risk you take when you open your mouth to say something.

You also take the risk of sounding like an imbecile. A very high risk in some cases.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

unfortunately that is just a risk everyone takes when they open their mouth.

 

[Meow Mix]

In the fact that religion is a system of beliefs that one uses to guide one's life, every decision a person makes whether good or bad is based on religion.

according to www.Merriam-webster.com
Religion: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

Nope. Here's why. Let me repeat your same definition with some emphasis:

"Religion: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices"

What are religious attitudes, religious beliefs, and religious practices?

According to the same dictionary:

"relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity."

Not everyone has "faithful devotion" to anything. How could someone not have faithful devotion to something? Easily -- faith, in this context, is belief without or in spite of epistemic justification. Some people choose not to believe unless they have justification, and so don't have faith at all. Thus those people are not religious. I'm one of them. I prefer rationality to superstition.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

unfortunately that is just a risk everyone takes when they open their mouth.

Some of us less than...others.

 

[waitasec]

yaddoe,

Religion: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

i guess it has to come down to basics.
can you define "or"?
here i'll help you out...
"or" is a conjunction
in relation to grammar it's the part of speech that serves to connect words, phrases, clauses, or sentences
"or"
is used to indicate an alternative, usually only before the last term of a series: hot or cold; this, that, or the other.
an alternative is
the choice between two mutually exclusive possibilities.
mutually exclusive means
unable to be both true at the same time
meaning, are you religious OR not.

just becuse i have a moral sense does not mean i am adhering a religious doctrine because being religious means to

religious [rɪˈlɪdʒəs]
adj
1. of, relating to, or concerned with religion
a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
notice the conjunction...if you need to be reminded of what that word means i already laid it out for you...
but i will repeat it because it seems your attention span is shorter than mine

"or" is a conjunction
in relation to grammar it's the part of speech that serves to connect words, phrases, clauses, or sentences
"or"
is used to indicate an alternative, usually only before the last term of a series: hot or cold; this, that, or the other.
an alternative is
the choice between two mutually exclusive possibilities.
mutually exclusive means
unable to be both true at the same time
meaning, are you religious OR not.


2.
a. pious; devout; godly
b. (as collective noun; preceded by the) the religious
one or the other

3. appropriate to or in accordance with the principles of a religion
notice no option here A RELIGION
meaning
institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
4. scrupulous, exact, or conscientious
notice no OR here...
meaning
institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

5. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) Christianity of or relating to a way of life dedicated to religion by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience, and defined by a monastic rule
meaning
institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Nope. Here's why. Let me repeat your same definition with some emphasis:

"Religion: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices"

What are religious attitudes, religious beliefs, and religious practices?

According to the same dictionary:

"relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity."

Not everyone has "faithful devotion" to anything. How could someone not have faithful devotion to something? Easily -- faith, in this context, is belief without or in spite of epistemic justification. Some people choose not to believe unless they have justification, and so don't have faith at all. Thus those people are not religious. I'm one of them. I prefer rationality to superstition.

I think you missed it when I said this on the previous page
"Oh okay, noting the word religious in the definition of religion is defining the word with the word. It is as you say circular reasoning to do so

according to dictionary.com the word religious means
"of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion: a religious holiday."
pretty much something or someone that has something to do with religion

okay, what is religion? Religion - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

a system of beliefs

What is ardor? ardor means loyalty
What is faith? firm belief in something for which there is no proof
What is an opinion? belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge
What is a thought? something (as an opinion or belief) in the mind <he spoke his thoughts freely>
Religion - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Wow, so long as someone has an opinion on something they are religious."

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Waitasec, I think you looked at the or and clipped off the first half and only focused on the second half.
It stated "a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices"
which means a religion is either
a personal set of religious attitudes, beliefs and practices
or
a institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices.

I am stating that everyone, whether they choose to admit it or not has
"a personal set of religious attitudes, beliefs and practices."

 

[waitasec]

Waitasec, I think you looked at the or and clipped off the first half and only focused on the second half.
It stated "a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices"
which means a religion is either
a personal set of religious attitudes, beliefs and practices
or
a institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices.

I am stating that everyone, whether they choose to admit it or not has
"a personal set of religious attitudes, beliefs and practices."

no it is a personal set of attitudes...beliefs and practices

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

you are right, we can't say religious in the definition of religion because it is circular reasoning.
All the same, everyone is religious.

 

[waitasec]

you know i'm feelin sort of blue...

does that mean i'm feeling the color blue or that i am :sad:

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

So stating that everyone is religious is both
metaphorically true and literally true.

 

[Father Heathen]

So stating that everyone is religious is both
metaphorically true and literally true.

Only if you stretch the definition to be so broad that it's practically meaningless, sure, I guess.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I pulled it right out of the dictionary no stretching required.

 

[waitasec]

I pulled it right out of the dictionary no stretching required.

you don't take the meaning of the word blue to mean only the color do you?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

you don't take the meaning of the word blue to mean only the color do you?

You don't take the term "losing one's religion" literally do you?
It is impossible for one to not have a religion. Everyone has an opinion.

 

[Father Heathen]

I pulled it right out of the dictionary no stretching required.

re·li·gion&#8194; &#8194;[ri-lij-uh

n]
noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

Sooo...no.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Sooo...no.

that would be #2 *note that generally doesn't mean always*
and #5

 

[waitasec]

You don't take the term "losing one's religion" literally do you?

why would i? i already know what it means

It is impossible for one to not have a religion. Everyone has an opinion.

so an opinion is religion.
ok then religion is just on that long list of excuses for bad behavior.


:curtsy:

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

as well as on that long list of excuses for good behavior.
Like I said, when you say that, you are punching a revolving door.