Ehav4Ever
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It has been so long I don't remember. It was more than 15 years ago.
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Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers
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River Sea
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@Bharat Jhunjhunwala Amarna is KMT am I understanding correctly. Canaan is Ghuram located in India, why would Yadavas-Hebrews be in Ghuram in India around 1406 BC for?
Route of the Exodus. (1) Vadnagar to Chachran. (2) Chachran to Kabul. (2A) Short Route avoided by Hebrews. (3) Kabul to Kandahar. (4) Kandahar to Tehran via Hamun-e-Mashkel, Taftan and Isfahan. (5) Tehran to the Kangavar along the Silk Road. (6) South along the east bank of Tigris River to Al-Qurnah. (6A) Proposed travel through Baghdad not permitted by King of Edom. (7) North from Al-Qurnah along west bank of the Euphrates River. (8) West of Baghdad to Yisrael along the Silk Road
Where is Canaan that is Ghuram in India within this route?
The Yadavas-Hebrews left Vadnagar in India 1445 BC and arrived at Yisrael at 1405 BC or in that area in KMT and or Levant areas?
There's no delay at Canaan that's Ghuram that's in India am I understanding correctly? Because why at 1406 BC be at Ghuram in India for? 39 years from Vadnagar to Ghuram, makes no sense. Please help me.
How come other people have Canaan located in Israel when it's located in India called Ghuram?
Do you use the name Canaan both locations due to this?
Because others located Canaan as Israel, while we located Canaan in Ghuram in India, so do you use Canaan both locations then?
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala has Canaan as Ghuram in India, while others has Canaan as Israel, @Tamino would you have Canaan as KMT? Due to this @Bharat Jhunjhunwala do you use Canaan to describe Ghuram in India and Israel and KMT (amarna)?
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River Sea
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Google translating
Genesis - Avram ben-Terahh uses the word )רעי( to describe his people
Or he dwelt in the land, and Abram said to Lot, Do not let there be strife between me and you, and between my neighbor and your neighbor.
Rich
bad
Avram ben-Terahh identifies his people as shepherds and not farmers.
Genesis - Ya'aqov ben-Yitzhhaq and his sons describe themselves as Shepherds
And the people are shepherds because they are people of Mecca
They said to Pharaoh, "Your servants graze the sheep, and we also fed our ancestors."
The sons of Ya'aqov ben-Yitzhhaq describe themselves and their ancestors as Shepherds.
River Sea
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Google Translate
Esther chapter one
1 And it was, in the days of Achashrush: that is Achashrush, the king from Judah to Kush--twenty-seven and one hundred, Medina. In the days when King Ahasuerus sat on a throne
River Sea
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Yes, it shows farming back when, and discussion between @Bharat Jhunjhunwala and @Ehav4Ever did back when words Farming and Shepherds meant the same or not the same.
How come Cain shows farming?
Herdsmen versus Agriculturists
Cain practiced crop cultivation since he brought
the fruit of the ground as an offering to the Lord
Cain’s narrative tells of a conflict between him the agriculturist and his brother Abel the
herdsman
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala was claiming that Farming and Shephard is the same thing while @Ehav4Ever claims Farming and Shephard are different
Google translating @Ehav4Ever modern Hebrew letters
Genesis - Avram ben-Terahh uses the word )רעי( to describe his people
Or he dwelt in the land, and Abram said to Lot, Do not let there be strife between me and you, and between my neighbor and your neighbor.
Rich
bad
Avram ben-Terahh identifies his people as shepherds and not farmers.
Genesis - Ya'aqov ben-Yitzhhaq and his sons describe themselves as Shepherds
And the people are shepherds because they are people of Mecca
They said to Pharaoh, "Your servants graze the sheep, and we also fed our ancestors."
The sons of Ya'aqov ben-Yitzhhaq describe themselves and their ancestors as Shepherds.
That's why I'm doing it again.
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala was claiming that Farming and Shephard is the same thing while @Ehav4Ever claims Farming and Shephard are different
Cain practiced crop cultivation since he brought
the fruit of the ground as an offering to the Lord
How come Cain shows farming?
Herdsmen versus Agriculturists
Cain practiced crop cultivation since he brought
the fruit of the ground as an offering to the Lord
Cain’s narrative tells of a conflict between him the agriculturist and his brother Abel the
herdsman
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala was claiming that Farming and Shephard is the same thing while @Ehav4Ever claims Farming and Shephard are different
Google translating @Ehav4Ever modern Hebrew letters
Genesis - Avram ben-Terahh uses the word )רעי( to describe his people
Or he dwelt in the land, and Abram said to Lot, Do not let there be strife between me and you, and between my neighbor and your neighbor.
Rich
bad
Avram ben-Terahh identifies his people as shepherds and not farmers.
Genesis - Ya'aqov ben-Yitzhhaq and his sons describe themselves as Shepherds
And the people are shepherds because they are people of Mecca
They said to Pharaoh, "Your servants graze the sheep, and we also fed our ancestors."
The sons of Ya'aqov ben-Yitzhhaq describe themselves and their ancestors as Shepherds.
I hope it shows and not just says attachments
That's why I'm doing it again.
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala was claiming that Farming and Shephard is the same thing while @Ehav4Ever claims Farming and Shephard are different
Cain practiced crop cultivation since he brought
the fruit of the ground as an offering to the Lord
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Unless it's myth.
In any event, what should be clear, even in a silly thread such as this, is that Cain wasn't [depicted as] a Hebrew.
River Sea
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Were different roles also the same in tribal
Hunting, farming, shepherds, herdsmen, metalworking, traders. Did people ever combine meanings?
Is farming the same as being a shepherd?
Do people do that today, combining and meaning the same or not?
How was language back when within this compared to now?
Also did people exchange roles with ease?
Hebrews who were Yadavas gathering straw to burn bake bricks were also Shepherds, that's combining more than one role? Why would Shepherds be building with bricks?
Maybe in a tribal area one would have many roles
A shepherd also gathers crops, similar to how a farmer farms while also building homes with bricks, would also be fighters protecting, and then also hunters. Yet if a ruler can demand one of those things when either approving or disapproving, he doesn't then claim a whole tribe is one or another? @Bharat Jhunjhunwala Can you show this in any way?
Hunting, farming, shepherds, herdsmen, metalworking, traders. Did people ever combine meanings?
Is farming the same as being a shepherd?
Do people do that today, combining and meaning the same or not?
How was language back when within this compared to now?
Also did people exchange roles with ease?
Hebrews who were Yadavas gathering straw to burn bake bricks were also Shepherds, that's combining more than one role? Why would Shepherds be building with bricks?
Maybe in a tribal area one would have many roles
A shepherd also gathers crops, similar to how a farmer farms while also building homes with bricks, would also be fighters protecting, and then also hunters. Yet if a ruler can demand one of those things when either approving or disapproving, he doesn't then claim a whole tribe is one or another? @Bharat Jhunjhunwala Can you show this in any way?
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River Sea
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@Bharat Jhunjhunwala thinks Cain was Indra. How come Indra was a prophet? How did that happen back when? Cain wasn't a prophet; how come?
Herdsmen versus agriculturists
Cain’s killing of his brother Abel and Indra’s killing of his
nephew Vritra may relate to a conflict between herdsmen and
agriculturists. When did herdsmen and agriculturists over came this conflict, and how did they?
@Ehav4Ever were there conflicts between herdsmen and agriculturists with Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, and Yehudim? Or did they get along and how?
@Ehav4Ever how come Cain wasn't a prophet? Was Seth ever a prophet?
Who cares. Cain is irrelevant.
Colt
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LoL! You are correct! I had extensive DNA research done on myself and was suppressed to find that I'm related to Bengamin Netanyahu. I have roots in India, Peru, Italy, Scottland but 45% German.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
How did peru a nd india get in? Are you an Ashkenazi? Do you have r.m124?
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
The Ashkenazim are descended from Jews who migrated to Ashkenazi ( a city in Germany). They have nothing to do with India. R M124 is found ALL OVER THE PLACE. It means nothing.
Not true. R.m124 is found among 50 to 100 percent of yadavas from India and not in europe
Not true. R.m124 is found among 50 to 100 percent of yadavas from India and not in europe
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
The Abel.cain conflict represents that of honesty vs progress. We know who won.
River Sea
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@Bharat Jhunjhunwala shown farmers while also including information about shepherds, and when has this taken place?
Here's Time stamp video about farmers begins at
2:51
Here's Time stamp video about farmers begins at
2:51
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It is found in MANY populations of the world. Sometimes a genetic marker is simply of no help in determining origins. It is worth remembering that all humans relate back to the same small group in Africa which became homo sapiens, and so we share MOST of our genetics.
"Haplogroup R2a, or haplogroup R-M124, is a Y-chromosome haplogroup characterized by genetic markers M124, P249, P267, L266, and is mainly found in South Asia as well as in Central Asia, Caucasus, Southwest Asia, and the Arab countries with low frequencies."
Haplogroup R-M124 - Wikipedia
BTW, when you quote someone, you need to cite where the quote comes from. The easiest way to do this is to hit the reply button, which will automatically quote the post along with the name of the person, and an arrow linking back to their post (as you see above in this post).
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Yes. But show me an area where r.m124 is found in 50 percent plus population.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
This is not relevant. Sheesh. Just because it is higher in that population, does not mean that it had its origins in that population.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Teach me then what explain 100 percent people having r.m124. and how else to determine where this gene originated. Truly, I will be happy to learn.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
First you said 50%. Now you say 100%. Clearly you are not reliable as a source. Thus, I'm simply not going to address your request, since it assumes things not in evidence.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Both are correct. 50 percent among yadavas. 100 percent among Karnalis. I used different figures in different contexts.