IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I tried googling Karnalis, Karnalis India, and Karnalis India tribe. I got nothing.
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Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers
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River Sea
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@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
Is this who you are referring to, the Karmali tribe (spelled with M instead of N)?
Karmali tribe - Wikipedia
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Thank you so much!@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
Is this who you are referring to, the Karmali tribe (spelled with M instead of N)?
Karmali tribe - Wikipedia
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Now, all I need is a quality website that states that 100% of Karmali have this genetic marker.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Here is the Table from Sahoo paper that shows 16/16 having R.M124.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Maybe I'm just missing something. RM124 does seem to be present in a great many groups. I'm not sure how this makes your case that it originated in one particular group, or that it is found in 100% of any group or 50% of any other group. The largest number in the column is 16.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
We are trying to locate whether there is genetic evidence for the origin of Hebrews in India. I am suggesting that high prevalence of R-M124 indicates a greater probability that it originated here. There are no "proofs" here. I am aware.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Thank you for admitting there were no proofs.
Honestly, if I thought the evidence warranted your conclusions, I would go with the evidence. For example, geneticists tell us that today's Jews are descended from the Canaanites, and that the Canaanites became a people when immigrants from the Caucasus mountains intermarried with the Neolithic peoples already present in Canaan. That was hard to swallow, since as a Jew, I would have liked very much for the evidence to support the idea that Jews were distinct from Canaanites. But, like I said, I go with the evidence.
Sir, I'm ready to move on. We've really talked this to death. It was a lovely conversation, but I think it has run its course.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
You ask for evidence of 100 percent karmali. When I provide evidence you ignore it. Good luck moving on.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You didn't, but I agree. Let's move on. I'm not angry or irritated, and I've enjoyed chatting with you. Hope we can do it again sometime. Be well.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
I did
Did you see karmali 16 of 16 in the chart? I am persistent because I want to know what is evidence.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala So all the sample size of Karmali, which is 16 people, had R M124, so that's why Karmali = 100%.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Yes. Correct.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
I thought Israel meant wrestling with God or God's angel, but from @Bharat Jhunjhunwala video, you showed Israel.
By Stephen Knapp said: Israel derived from Sanskrit word Ishwaralaya, which means Isha or Krishna God
(screenshot) video and below can see video and can read from Stephen Knapp
Time Stamp video @Bharat Jhunjhunwala video
@Ehav4Ever check out Stephen Knapp., and he explained Israel. And also @Bharat Jhunjhunwala shared in his video too. What are your thoughts?
Facebook post written by Stephen Knapp
ISRAEL
By Stephen Knapp
The name “Israel” actually is derived from the Sanskrit word Ishwaralaya, which means the abode of “Isha,” or Krishna, God. The name Jerusalem also is derived from Yerushaleim, or the Sanskrit Yedu-Ishalayam, which signifies a township of Lord Krishna. “Isha” means God, the Supreme Controller, and “Yedu” refers to Yadu and the Yadu dynasty, which is in relation to Krishna. Furthermore, “Yedu-ish” comes from a Sanskrit term signifying Lord Krishna as chief of the Yadu clan. Therefore, Judaism is nothing but a form or derivative of “Yeduism.” Thus, there is the relation with this area to the followers of the Vedic tradition and the worship of Lord Krishna.
the Sanskrit word Ishwaralaya, which means the abode of “Isha,” or Krishna, God. The name Jerusalem also is derived from Yerushaleim, or the Sanskrit Yedu-Ishalayam, which signifies a township of Lord Krishna. “Isha” means God, the Supreme Controller, and “Yedu” refers to Yadu and the Yadu dynasty, which is in relation to Krishna. Furthermore, “Yedu-ish” comes from a Sanskrit term signifying Lord Krishna as chief of the Yadu clan. Therefore, Judaism is nothing but a form or derivative of “Yeduism.” Thus, there is the relation with this area to the followers of the Vedic tradition and the worship of Lord Krishna.
Nearby, Palestine gets its name from the modern distortion of the name of the Vedic sage Pulestin who had his abode there. The hill on which he used to light his sacrificial fire dedicated to Lord Shiva still bears the name “Har Homa,” referring to the Homa Vedic fire ritual. Many such Sanskrit names in the region show the Vedic connection this area once had.
Even today the blue star in the flag of Israel in a Laksmi Yantra and it's also similar to Skanda yantra. There is no doubt that Vedic culture is still living in Israel.
By Stephen Knapp said: Israel derived from Sanskrit word Ishwaralaya, which means Isha or Krishna God
(screenshot) video and below can see video and can read from Stephen Knapp
Time Stamp video @Bharat Jhunjhunwala video
@Ehav4Ever check out Stephen Knapp., and he explained Israel. And also @Bharat Jhunjhunwala shared in his video too. What are your thoughts?
Facebook post written by Stephen Knapp
ISRAEL
By Stephen Knapp
The name “Israel” actually is derived from the Sanskrit word Ishwaralaya, which means the abode of “Isha,” or Krishna, God. The name Jerusalem also is derived from Yerushaleim, or the Sanskrit Yedu-Ishalayam, which signifies a township of Lord Krishna. “Isha” means God, the Supreme Controller, and “Yedu” refers to Yadu and the Yadu dynasty, which is in relation to Krishna. Furthermore, “Yedu-ish” comes from a Sanskrit term signifying Lord Krishna as chief of the Yadu clan. Therefore, Judaism is nothing but a form or derivative of “Yeduism.” Thus, there is the relation with this area to the followers of the Vedic tradition and the worship of Lord Krishna.
the Sanskrit word Ishwaralaya, which means the abode of “Isha,” or Krishna, God. The name Jerusalem also is derived from Yerushaleim, or the Sanskrit Yedu-Ishalayam, which signifies a township of Lord Krishna. “Isha” means God, the Supreme Controller, and “Yedu” refers to Yadu and the Yadu dynasty, which is in relation to Krishna. Furthermore, “Yedu-ish” comes from a Sanskrit term signifying Lord Krishna as chief of the Yadu clan. Therefore, Judaism is nothing but a form or derivative of “Yeduism.” Thus, there is the relation with this area to the followers of the Vedic tradition and the worship of Lord Krishna.
Nearby, Palestine gets its name from the modern distortion of the name of the Vedic sage Pulestin who had his abode there. The hill on which he used to light his sacrificial fire dedicated to Lord Shiva still bears the name “Har Homa,” referring to the Homa Vedic fire ritual. Many such Sanskrit names in the region show the Vedic connection this area once had.
Even today the blue star in the flag of Israel in a Laksmi Yantra and it's also similar to Skanda yantra. There is no doubt that Vedic culture is still living in Israel.
Ehav4Ever
Well-Known Member
Just FYI. The research into DNA does not claim that Jews "descend" from the Canaanites. What is shows is a genetic link between Jews, certain modern Arab groups in the region to what Canaanite DNA they have been able to find. This makes sense, given what some Jewish sources state about the nature of 2 generations after Avraham ben-Terahh residing in Canaan. For example, according to the Sefer Hayashar the following sons of Ya'aqov married Canaanite women.
- Re'uven ben-Ya'aqov
- Yehudah ben-Ya'aqov
- Shim'on ben-Ya'aqov
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers
What happened to the discussion?
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What happened to the discussion?
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River Sea
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@paarsurrey did you see this chart, what are your thoughts that the Karmali tribe has 100% R-M124 Gene? 16 of 16. @Bharat Jhunjhunwala how did you find this chart? @Bharat Jhunjhunwala do you ever visit the Karmali tribe?
Mitsrayim located in Indus Valley and so what is Hodu? @paarsurrey @Bharat Jhunjhunwala @GoodAttention
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- Hebrew word
In Hebrew, hodu (הֹדּוּ) means "give thanks". It is also used in the Bible as a name for India, derived from the word "Hindu". In the Book of Esther, Ahasuerus is described as ruling 127 provinces from Hodu (India) to Ethiopia. Hodu can also mean "praise God".
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Hodu is also the name of a song by Cantor Azi Schwartz of Park Avenue Synagogue. The song's lyrics include "Give thanks to Adonai who is good; God's love and kindness endure forever".
New Hodu Lashem niggun on clawhammer banjo
GoodAttention
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I won't make comments on genetic studies and Mitzrayim are definitely not from the Indus Valley. I have no idea what "hodu" is or who mentions it, but my understanding of any mention to India in thee Hebrew scriptures is "Havilah".
However I will again go back to the Tamil language for your interest. Mitzrayim we understand to be associated with Egypt. Looking at the first part of the word, I see miccai, when written in Tamil is the following. Note the "c" is a soft c, like in cheese, and not hard, like in cat.
மிச்சை
miccai n. இலாமிச்சை. Cuscus-grass. See இலாமிச்சை. (தைலவ. தைல.)The most important and agriculturally relevant description of miccai would be to sorghum, domesticated in Egypt 5000 years ago. The plant then "travelled", or better understood to be imported, to the Indian subcontinent 1000 years later.
What is interesting about sorghum is, the husks of the plant were bound very tightly, and had to removed forcefully to get to the useful grain inside.
Sorghum - Wikipedia
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I have little knowledge about the genes. I am studying point of view of every poster. The names of the places and persons has similarity, one must say.
Our friends have not traced the name of Pharaoh in India, will anybody reflect on it, please, right?
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Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
The book of Esther identifies India with Hudo but this is much later than Exodus. My suggestion is that the exodus took place in India and Mitsrayim is India but this was forgotten and then at the time of the Book of Esther, it was re-identified as Hudo. So, this does not really stand against my hypothesis.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
As I replied to Harel13 we have to recognize the timeline. The Exodus took place at 1500 BCE and at that point Mitsrayim is identified with India. After this, the Hebrews went through 1000 years of persecutions and they forgot their roots in the Indus Valley. After this, the Book of Esther locates hudo in the Indus Valley. So, Hudo and Mitsrayim both are referring to Indus Valley at different times.