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Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers

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GoodAttention

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River Sea said:
yet you @GoodAttention used a circle word for scriptures, you favored the word 'Havilah' and that's Hebrew, what would this be in the Tamil language meaning circle?
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I said the Hebrews consider Havilah to be a reference to India, but the word/name also has many meanings. It would be best for an expert in Hebrew to give a comment on this.


River Sea said:
@GoodAttention
what is this about Ayran is synonymous with Sanskrit and you claim nonsense, please explain this nonsense more in detail because what is nonsense, but a dismissive word that allows then the Sanskrit that branched eastward from India more say, as they will grab all the details that is dismissed. Because they had and how?
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It would be better to start a new thread than to post here, so that it can be discussed properly.


River Sea said:
What all happened to the people who speaks the Tamil language do the Meema community speak the Tamil language still?
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Tamil is spoken by tens of millions of people, however it has been Sankritized and includes 4 additional letters and numerous words it the vocabulary now.

Although difficult, it is not impossible to remove all Sanskrit influence from the language to see what a proto-Dravidian language would have been.

River Sea said:
How come you favor Hebrew word circle for, what is the Tamil word for circle?
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First, I think it important you read about the context Havilah is first mentioned in Genesis, which is referring to the Wadi Hammamat in Egypt.

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Wadi Hammamat - Wikipedia

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River Sea said:
What is Nazis, what is proto-Dravidian language, how has this affected the education system? Please teach me what all happened?
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Best to start here and work backwards.

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Indus script - Wikipedia

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Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
River Sea said:
@Aupmanyav can explain when?
What is the AIT Aryan Invasion Theory?
Sanskrit eastward while German westward, yet where's the brits in this situation, I'm confused? Where are the romans as well?

@Aupmanyav what do you like about this, and how much as the Aryans influenced you?

Floods western India while yet droughts towards the west of the Yamuna river that's where, yet tribes did well living east of this river how?

Water so important where's all the wells and cisterns?

What are these treaties about that Rama made with nearby tribes that also includes the Pharaohs, yet how would Pharaohs drown, all of them, and this includes the army, how, did they not know how to swim are they less skillful then the sea people?
How did they communicate treaties how?
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I do not believe in invasion theory, cannot find any mention of a war between Aryans and the indigenous people.
Aryans were basically tribes in Afghanistan (Alexander's Ariana), who came to India in the 2nd millennium BCE.
All these languages from Ireland to India are derived from PIE and Indo-European languages.

Sure, I am a Kashmiri Brahmin. My descent probably is from Kamboja tribe, which merged with Aryans. The line is from a Kamboja sage, Upamanyu.

Climate keeps changing. No droughts in Indus or Ganges-Yamuna basin. It is floods now.

Wells and cisterns: That was the old system, now we need more water. It is canal irrigation from dams. Borewells have caused the ground water level to recede drastically.

Treaties between Rama and Pharaohs - that is BS. Rama is mythology.

River Sea, why do you bother about Krishna, Yadavas and Hebrews? How does that help you in life? If you want information about it, check in Wikipedia. Do not try to get it from books written by foolish people.
 
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Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
paarsurrey said:
Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers

The words "India/Hindu" and of course "Hindu-ism" are after the river Indus* and no part of this river is in Bharat, the rest is the politics, and I don't discuss politics, one could check/search/research/verify/explore yourself and form one's own opinion , please, right?
The mud volcano "Hingol" is located in Uthal* which is 124 km north of Karachi, afar from India.

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https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Hingol_mud_volcanoes The Hingol mud volcanoes are located in Lasbela District, Balochistan, Pakistan at a distance of around 100 km from Uthal*, which is the headquarter of ...​

2.Harappa is an archaeological site in Punjab, Pakistan, about 24 km west of Sahiwal. Wikipedia
3.Distance between Indus River to Yamuna River
847 km
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The word Hinduism in India has been applied geographically to different areas at different times. Historically, Bharat or India was applied only to a small area south of Rajasthan. Then it became pan-India and then there is no reason to believe that it did not cover Pakistan and Indus Valley and even the Hingol mud volcano. So, we have to be flexible with application of geographical area with a name.
 
Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
River Sea said:
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala have you scooper dive in the sea to see this Dwarka that's under water? @GoodAttention were there any flooding in southern India ever? What were the wells and cistern like in southern India?
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@River Sea​

I have not dived to see Dwarka that is underwater, but I have seen enough pictures and studies that I am convinced that it exists below the water.​

 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
paarsurrey said:
Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers

The words "India/Hindu" and of course "Hindu-ism" are after the river Indus* and no part of this river is in Bharat, the rest is the politics, and I don't discuss politics,
The mud volcano "Hingol" is located in Uthal* which is 124 km north of Karachi, afar from India.
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Your geography is terrible. You would not be able to clear a fifth standard examination in geography, also you would fail in a quiz program for a geography question.

"The total length of Indus from origin to its outfall in Arabian Sea is 2,880 km, out of which 1,114 km flows through India. Its principal tributaries in India are the Jhelum, the Chenab, the Ravi, the Beas and the Satluj, all joining from left."
indus_up_to_border - INDIA WRIS WIKI (Water Resources Information System, Government of India).

Again the mud volcano is called Chander Kup (which is derived from SriRama's well - Ram Chandra's Koop). It is a very old name, Alexander's historians mention it in 327 BCE. Hingol is the name of a river. Pakistan has declared it a National Park. It has an old temple of Hingol Mata, a goddess worshiped by Rajputs and others. I am surprised that you being a Rajasthani, do not know it.

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Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Bharat Jhunjhunwala said:

I have not dived to see Dwarka that is underwater, but I have seen enough pictures and studies that I am convinced that it exists below the water.​

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Hah, pictures in the age of AI and Adobe Photo Shop! If you are already convinced, then their is no chance of a sane discussion.

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Krishna's Dwarika below the sea. A light is still burning.
 
paarsurrey

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River Sea

River Sea

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Aupmanyav said:
Hah, pictures in the age of AI and Adobe Photo Shop! If you are already convinced, then their is no chance of a sane discussion.

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Krishna's Dwarika below the sea. A light is still burning.
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@Aupmanyav yes I thought that was odd about that light still burning in water.
So AI art failed that logic.
 
River Sea

River Sea

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Aupmanyav said:
I do not believe in invasion theory, cannot find any mention of a war between Aryans and the indigenous people.
Aryans were basically tribes in Afghanistan (Alexander's Ariana), who came to India in the 2nd millennium BCE.
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2nd millennium BC/Period
January 1, 2000 BC – December 31, 1001 BC
The 2nd millennium BC spanned the years 2000 BC to 1001 BC.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
has Exodus Yadavas leaving Indus Valley (India) at 1445 BC, so that would be during the 2nd millennium BC time.

@Aupmanyav thinks the Aryans came to India during the 2nd millennium BC and the Aryans were Afghanistan (Alexander's Ariana).

So basically, as the Aryans were coming into India, the Yadavas were leaving India?

How come Aryans want to travel to India and stay?
Afghanistan is on the other side of Pakistan. How come these people (Alexander's Ariana Aryans) wanted to move to India and not remain in Afghanistan?

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River Sea

River Sea

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Aupmanyav said:
Sure, I am a Kashmiri Brahmin. My descent probably is from Kamboja tribe, which merged with Aryans. The line is from a Kamboja sage, Upamanyu.
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@Aupmanyav
What was it like to be a Kashmiri Brahmin growing up? What were some happy, sad, scary, funny, moments? What were the teachings that the elders of your caste taught and believed in? When about did you become an atheist, and did these elders know that you were an atheist, and if so, how did they feel about this? Do Hindus some are atheists, just similar that some Jews are atheists?
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
River Sea said:
@Aupmanyav
What was it like to be a Kashmiri Brahmin growing up? What were some happy, sad, scary, funny, moments? What were the teachings that the elders of your caste taught and believed in? When about did you become an atheist, and did these elders know that you were an atheist, and if so, how did they feel about this? Do Hindus some are atheists, just similar that some Jews are atheists?
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I grew up in Rajasthan, a desert state of India, where my great-grandpa had migrated 150 years ago. Nothing unusual other than my family was more educated and more prosperous than people in the neighborhood. But my grandpa was a support to many of them. He was an orthodox, my day started with the smell of burning butter (oblation to God, what is termed as fire-sacrifice, Yajna) and his chanting. But he was aware of science and accepted Big Bang, evolution, fossils, plate tectonics, etc. I studied a little of science and accept its findings, and in time abandoned superstitions about God and soul. The idea that I got from the childhood was that we brahmins are sort of custodians of Hindu culture.
Yes, some Hindus do not believe in religious clap-trap, but I still label myself as Hindu since I staunchly believe in my culture.
No, I came to atheism around middle age and my elders passed away before that. But I don't raise the 'atheism flag' in my family or community, it is something for the forums that I participate in. :)
 
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Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
River Sea said:
2nd millennium BC/Period
January 1, 2000 BC – December 31, 1001 BC
The 2nd millennium BC spanned the years 2000 BC to 1001 BC.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
has Exodus Yadavas leaving Indus Valley (India) at 1445 BC, so that would be during the 2nd millennium BC time.

@Aupmanyav thinks the Aryans came to India during the 2nd millennium BC and the Aryans were Afghanistan (Alexander's Ariana).

So basically, as the Aryans were coming into India, the Yadavas were leaving India?

How come Aryans want to travel to India and stay?
Afghanistan is on the other side of Pakistan. How come these people (Alexander's Ariana Aryans) wanted to move to India and not remain in Afghanistan?

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Yes, the Yadavas left India at 1446 BCE as per Bible and there is no evidence of the Aryans coming to India. What we have is the evidence of the Proto-Indo-European language coming to India that could have been brought by travelers, merchants, or some other method. There is no indication of any largescale migration of people into India.
 
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