GoodAttention
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Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I consider what you have written as 'ABSOLUTE RUBBISH' on historical as well as religious grounds and fodder for fools, so what is there to reply?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Yes, the picture is the same, but what it says is different from what you have written. That is why I said that you are an unashamed liar.
Why should I waste my time with liars like you?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers
Regards
Then why friend @Aupmanyav mentions that you are a Christian, please?
Regards
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River Sea
Well-Known Member
Showing titles first.
Now writing about these titles.
@Aupmanyav
Thank you for sharing about your memories of smelling butter from your grandpa's oblation to God, what is termed as fire-sacrifice, Yajna. A memory you have, and you shared.
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
Very interesting about the many islands from researching that Das, Amarnath has shown; I wish you would have shown where. I felt frustrated and I couldn't go where quickly. @Aupmanyav shown where.
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala is a Hindu because he claims he's a Hindu.
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala sees similarities in the past stories, so then investigates and shares them? How does that then make @Bharat Jhunjhunwala a Christian and not Hinduism? @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims he's Hindu.
Due to topic of thread about farmers?
I only wonder about farming because of the straw that was asked to be gathered; lately, I wonder what would happen if using wool from sheep to replace straw when making bricks. Has anyone ever used wool to replace straw when making bricks?
(I'll practice vocabulary, prefect.) Was King David prefect or not prefect?
Question due to oil poured on David that caused (how) for David to be King, is that causing David to be prefect as King or not prefect? Because the word prefect means a person born into political duties as a ruler. The person who was prefect as King lost this? How does oil cause the person who was prefect to lose it while David gains it?
@GoodAttention
What about the language Tamil in relation to this article? I showed areas of article here to form my questions. You can read rest of article there.
Was Akkadian the language of the
Indus Valley civilisation?
By Ajay Pratap Singh
Dr Malati J. Shendge has questioned. Dr Shendge has worked for almost two decades on her book The language of Harappans; From Akkadian to Sanskrit, published by the Nehru Centre, London. Her work differs from the earlier hypothesis which, basing itself on circumstantial evidence considers Proto-Dravidian to be the language of the Harappans
Thus Sanskrit has, in fact, descended from Akkadian. So Sanskrit is a local language and not brought over by the Aryans as widely believed. Even the Vedic literature, Shendge points out maintains that Asuras language was stolen by the Devas. This language was purified by the Devasand become Sanskrita i.e cultivated and purified.
My question is: What does that mean stolen? Is this different than borrowing loanwords? As people have different views on the evolution of languages?
- Title one: that includes "Butter." and "Referencing Das, Amarnath."
- Title two: that includes "Is @Bharat Jhunjhunwala a Hindu or Christian?" and "about Farmers."
- Title three: that includes "I'll Practice Vocabulary Word Prefect." and "Language Tamil, any relation to the Akkadian language of the Indus Valley?"
Now writing about these titles.
- Title one: that includes "Butter." and "Referencing Das, Amarnath."
@Aupmanyav
Thank you for sharing about your memories of smelling butter from your grandpa's oblation to God, what is termed as fire-sacrifice, Yajna. A memory you have, and you shared.
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
Very interesting about the many islands from researching that Das, Amarnath has shown; I wish you would have shown where. I felt frustrated and I couldn't go where quickly. @Aupmanyav shown where.
- Title two: that includes "Is @Bharat Jhunjhunwala a Hindu or Christian?" and "about Farmers."
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala is a Hindu because he claims he's a Hindu.
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala sees similarities in the past stories, so then investigates and shares them? How does that then make @Bharat Jhunjhunwala a Christian and not Hinduism? @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims he's Hindu.
Due to topic of thread about farmers?
I only wonder about farming because of the straw that was asked to be gathered; lately, I wonder what would happen if using wool from sheep to replace straw when making bricks. Has anyone ever used wool to replace straw when making bricks?
- Title three: that includes "I'll Practice Vocabulary Word Prefect." and "Language Tamil, any relation to the Akkadian language of the Indus Valley?"
(I'll practice vocabulary, prefect.) Was King David prefect or not prefect?
Question due to oil poured on David that caused (how) for David to be King, is that causing David to be prefect as King or not prefect? Because the word prefect means a person born into political duties as a ruler. The person who was prefect as King lost this? How does oil cause the person who was prefect to lose it while David gains it?
@GoodAttention
What about the language Tamil in relation to this article? I showed areas of article here to form my questions. You can read rest of article there.
Was Akkadian the language of the
Indus Valley civilisation?
By Ajay Pratap Singh
The Sunday Tribune - Spectrum - Article
www.tribuneindia.com
Dr Malati J. Shendge has questioned. Dr Shendge has worked for almost two decades on her book The language of Harappans; From Akkadian to Sanskrit, published by the Nehru Centre, London. Her work differs from the earlier hypothesis which, basing itself on circumstantial evidence considers Proto-Dravidian to be the language of the Harappans
Thus Sanskrit has, in fact, descended from Akkadian. So Sanskrit is a local language and not brought over by the Aryans as widely believed. Even the Vedic literature, Shendge points out maintains that Asuras language was stolen by the Devas. This language was purified by the Devasand become Sanskrita i.e cultivated and purified.
My question is: What does that mean stolen? Is this different than borrowing loanwords? As people have different views on the evolution of languages?
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers
Regards
Then why does one member @Aupmanyav mentions in his many a posts that @Bharat Jhunjhunwala is an evangelical Christian (aka a Protestant), please, right?
Regards
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
It is a crime that Indians themselves, specifically those who speak a language that is derived from Sanskrit, look to the north-west of the world longingly at the European languages, or even the ancient Semetic languages such as Akkadian, rather than in a south direction and with their own countrymen at the Dravidian languages first and fore-most.
It is garbage. It goes back to race superiority and skin color. These low-life scum should acknowledge their bias and perversions before making public any "theory" and what it is based on.
Ultimately the answer will be solved, but not by these Nazi cockroaches. The Indus Valley Script will be deciphered and it will show commonality with proto-Dravidian, and NOT an Indo-European language. The proof will come from ancient Egyptian language also, and to do this the Tamil language needs to be purified first. Mother Tamil must be brought back, and the Tamils themselves need to stop being lazy and stand up.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers
Such things are part of their obsession with the "India Divine", they claim that they came from the North Pole after the last ice age and or the "glacial era" while, one could say, the fauna and flora of North Pole is not mentioned in their Vedas and the vice versa, please, right?
Regards
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" The Arctic Home in the Vedas by Indian nationalist, teacher and independence activist Bal Gangadhar Tilak is a 1903 book on the origin of the Indo-European peoples, which he in accordance with academic consensus in his time, refers to as Aryans for the totality of his book.[1] Based on his analysis of Vedic hymns, Avestic passages, Vedic chronology and Vedic calendars, Tilak argued that the North Pole was the original home of Aryans during the pre-glacial period, which they left due to climate changes around 8000 B.C., migrating to the Northern parts of Europe and Asia. "
" Golwalkar was inspired by Tilak's The Arctic Home in the Vedas.[3][note 1] Gowalkar took over the idea of 10,000 years, arguing that the North Pole at that time was located in India.[3][note 2] "
en.wikipedia.org
" Efforts to change Indian history come only from agenda driven Hindu extremists to make Hinduism look good. Some of their beliefs are hilarious at the best, for example:
- Aryans came into India from the North Pole. (I thought only Santa Claus lived there - lol).
- Aryans have always been indigenous to India, thus making Dalits the Aryans.
- Aryans migrated into India as the Gypsis did in other lands.
- Caste system was not created by Aryans, but actually by Indians to punish themselves.
That is no way to write any history. If these guys ever really succeed in writing such a history, they definitely will be ridiculed across the globe, and Indian scholarship will hit a gutter level bottom. "
historum.com
Friend @River Sea
Such things are part of their obsession with the "India Divine", they claim that they came from the North Pole after the last ice age and or the "glacial era" while, one could say, the fauna and flora of North Pole is not mentioned in their Vedas and the vice versa, please, right?
Regards
______________
" The Arctic Home in the Vedas by Indian nationalist, teacher and independence activist Bal Gangadhar Tilak is a 1903 book on the origin of the Indo-European peoples, which he in accordance with academic consensus in his time, refers to as Aryans for the totality of his book.[1] Based on his analysis of Vedic hymns, Avestic passages, Vedic chronology and Vedic calendars, Tilak argued that the North Pole was the original home of Aryans during the pre-glacial period, which they left due to climate changes around 8000 B.C., migrating to the Northern parts of Europe and Asia. "
" Golwalkar was inspired by Tilak's The Arctic Home in the Vedas.[3][note 1] Gowalkar took over the idea of 10,000 years, arguing that the North Pole at that time was located in India.[3][note 2] "
The Arctic Home in the Vedas - Wikipedia
" Efforts to change Indian history come only from agenda driven Hindu extremists to make Hinduism look good. Some of their beliefs are hilarious at the best, for example:
- Aryans came into India from the North Pole. (I thought only Santa Claus lived there - lol).
- Aryans have always been indigenous to India, thus making Dalits the Aryans.
- Aryans migrated into India as the Gypsis did in other lands.
- Caste system was not created by Aryans, but actually by Indians to punish themselves.
That is no way to write any history. If these guys ever really succeed in writing such a history, they definitely will be ridiculed across the globe, and Indian scholarship will hit a gutter level bottom. "
Why Wasn't India United Before?
You could have benefited by understanding what a 'jeevanmukta' is. Know it from first hand, but you are not so inclined. :( Sigh, you can bring a horse to a trough, But you cannot make it drink water. I would much rather learn about Jivanmukta from a Jnani. What first hand? If one would...
historum.com
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GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
Let me say this about the proto-Indo-European peoples, or PIE. I have not an iota against their history or beliefs, and in fact I consider such peoples to be the original scientists of the human race. It is because of the PIE people we have an understanding of the poles or even the ice age and glacial era itself. These peoples played a very, very, important role in history, and would have been the first humans to have explored the continents including the northern and southern Americas.
It is my belief that these people were the original sun "chasers", that is they would move in a pattern "north to south" rather than east to west like the rest of humanity, purely because they lived for adventure and lived to explore. However, most importantly, they loved the sunlight, and because they did this they developed a lighter complexion and were taller than their sedentary "equatorial" cousins.
This is as far as I will comment, but it is important for all to know that whilst they, the PIE and by extension the Aryans were busy living their lives, it is not as if the rest of the world stood still. It also takes a giant dose of self-absorbed narcisim to call yourself "noble" at the expense of others, and if you want to claim you invented the war chariot but never engaged in any invasion or wars, then the Aryans, or those who subscribe to "Aryan dominant" theory like the multiple "authors" @River Sea mentions, need to reconcile this also.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
It can be done, but straw is waste material and wool can be sold for money or barter. In modern buildings they use iron for plastic in bricks and term it as rebar.
These are stories in the scripture, with doubtful evidence. Archaeology says, "If one is not convinced in advance by the biblical profile, then there is nothing in the archaeological evidence itself to suggest that much of consequence was going on in Palestine during the tenth century BCE, and certainly nothing to suggest that Jerusalem was a great political and cultural center.
This echoed the 1995 conclusion of Amélie Kuhrt, who noted that "there are no royal inscriptions from the time of the united monarchy (indeed very little written material altogether), and not a single contemporary reference to either David or Solomon,"
David - Wikipedia
So, it is your take. You may believe in the scriptural evidence, or you may doubt it.
Malati Shengde is another Christian propagandist. The Congress governments of Nehru, Indira Gandhi, her son Rajeev and that headed by Manmohan Singh (total some 55 years) were anti-Hindu. Such people were given preference, employed, promoted and given all privilages. Romila Thapar is another such example. Most of these people studied and were employed in Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi, which is a den of serpents, and was created for this purpose. I would not believe even a word of what these people have written. Indus valley script still remains undeciphered.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Bharat Jhunjhunwala lies and is here to sell his book which contains nothing other than lies. He says he is a Hindu but is influened by Judaism and Christianity. Hinduism has no value for him compared to selling his book.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Horses yes, but I do not believe horse chariots were ever workable in Indian mud and lack of roads. Chariots were for kingly processions in the city.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@GoodAttention asked to investigate south India and the language of Tamil, which I began doing. My question is, why does @Bharat Jhunjhunwala have to stop being a Hindu all because he notice stories began in India and these stories branched outward? I understand @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as a Hindu because he claims he's a Hindu.
The light I was referring to isn't about planet Sun. The light that lives in me feeds me fire-burn. I could name light, unconditional love, devine or any name that other religions use.
@GoodAttention How come you're referring to Christianity when you show the word Holy Spirit? How come you get to do what was told @Bharat Jhunjhunwala can't do?
Here @GoodAttention wrote Holy Spirit.
What is a Hindu?
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims himself as a Hindu. Yes some claims he can't be Hindu. I claim @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as Hindu because he claims he is a Hindu.
Exodus 1446 BC: Yadavas leave the Indus Valley (India) and travel to Israel. How can @Bharat Jhunjhunwala's sharing of this make him not a Hindu?
@mangalavara @GoodAttention look at this list of calendars even shows Tamil Calendar.
@mangalavara claims to be a Hindu and can learn about other religions and their calendars.
See how a Hindu @mangalavara learning about the different calendars and ask a question. Same with @Bharat Jhunjhunwala he noticed that stories from India branched outward and these stories changed over time.
So my question is: what is a Hindu, and how is it that @Bharat Jhunjhunwala can't be a Hindu when he claims he is a Hindu? I understand @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as a Hindu because he claims he is a Hindu.
The light I was referring to isn't about planet Sun. The light that lives in me feeds me fire-burn. I could name light, unconditional love, devine or any name that other religions use.
@GoodAttention How come you're referring to Christianity when you show the word Holy Spirit? How come you get to do what was told @Bharat Jhunjhunwala can't do?
Here @GoodAttention wrote Holy Spirit.
What is a Hindu?
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims himself as a Hindu. Yes some claims he can't be Hindu. I claim @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as Hindu because he claims he is a Hindu.
Exodus 1446 BC: Yadavas leave the Indus Valley (India) and travel to Israel. How can @Bharat Jhunjhunwala's sharing of this make him not a Hindu?
@mangalavara @GoodAttention look at this list of calendars even shows Tamil Calendar.
@mangalavara claims to be a Hindu and can learn about other religions and their calendars.
See how a Hindu @mangalavara learning about the different calendars and ask a question. Same with @Bharat Jhunjhunwala he noticed that stories from India branched outward and these stories changed over time.
So my question is: what is a Hindu, and how is it that @Bharat Jhunjhunwala can't be a Hindu when he claims he is a Hindu? I understand @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as a Hindu because he claims he is a Hindu.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
You are right. Please provide critique of the book. You principle is acceptable.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
I am a Hindu, Christian, Jew and Muslim. Born Hindu/
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
Did you read the introduction of the source you are quoting? It says specifically the "configuration of India in the last twenty centuries".
Do you know why it uses this timeline specifically? Since the most important source for Mr A. Das, the author, is Claudius Ptolemy, a Greek and foreigner who visited India in 130CE.
So why are you extrapolating another fifteen centuries of history to make a point about Bharat? The only reason is because you are claiming racial superiority over others based on nothing.
Here is your racist rant for your recollection -
"The word Hinduism in India has been applied geographically to different areas at different times. Historically, Bharat or India was applied only to a small area south of Rajasthan. Then it became pan-India and then there is no reason to believe that it did not cover Pakistan and Indus Valley and even the Hingol mud volcano. So, we have to be flexible with application of geographical area with a name."
I’m not sure that I understand what you mean. Are you implying that I think that all of those calendars have their origin in India? If so, that is not what I was trying to communicate in the quotation of mine above.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
Short responds here
@GoodAttention
I'm agreeing with OIT that there were no Aryans in India during 1500 BCE.
I am lost in discussions with other people's understandings, as I realized to have a functional discussion, I need to comprehend how they comprehend.
Sadly, as I learn other people's perspectives, people are thinking, What? What does this reconciliation mean that you're telling me to do? How come I'm not allowed to comprehend others perspectives? Please explain.
If anyone claims Germans are Aryans, then please explain Germans in 1500 BCE then. Are people who's thinking AIT claiming Germans in India during 1500 BCE then?
Long responds below, but mainly it explains what I wrote above.
@GoodAttention
I agree with common prophets, and that's about OIT; am I understanding correctly? However, I am lost in discussions with other people's understandings, as I realized to have a functional discussion, I need to comprehend how they comprehend. Please share the authors to help me understand what you're referring to. I'm actually lost with this word, Aryan. If anyone claims Germans are Aryans, then please explain Germans in 1500 BCE then. Are people who's thinking AIT claiming Germans in India during 1500 BCE then?
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
It's from Common Prophets. I was learning that in 1500 BCE, Yadavas from the Indus Valley, India, traveled to Israel. That's OIT, am I understanding correctly?
All these other areas are from other people's perspectives, so I at least seek to comprehend where they're coming from. For example, @Aupmanyav keeps talking about not agreeing with @Bharat Jhunjhunwala. I observe both @Aupmanyav and @Bharat Jhunjhunwala disagreeing
Another example I learned from the book Common Prophets is that Canaan is located in Ghuram, India. There's people living in Ghuram, India, that is, Canaan in 1500 BCE. Who are these people who lived there? That's OIT because no Aryans in Ghuram, India; that's Canaan.
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala Please clarify this for me. Krishna killed Yadavas or Yadavas killing Yadavas; however, why killing each other at Dwarka?
Here's longer detail.
(Also during 1500 BCE. The Yadavas lived south of Ghuram, India; was it at Vadnagar, India? Some Yadavas didn't make it before this time, as they'd died in Dwarka, India. How come?
I'm not sure why would Krishna kill a lot of Yadavas at Dwarka, and yet other Yadavas that weren't killed would follow Krishna; or was it only Yadavas killing Yadavas in Dwarka, but why killing each other for?
Yet eventually the living Yadavas followed Krishna and eventually, from Vadnagar, India, left to an unknown area that @Bharat Jhunjhunwala discovered where to (Exodus from Indus Valley) and traveled to Israel, Isha. That's OIT, correct?
Maybe I need to read that area in Common Prophets to refresh my memory about that scene, what happened in Dwarka, and the killings of the Yadavas. But still, that's OIT, correct? Or is OIT something else; if so, what is OIT?)
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
Yadavas left Indus Valley, India (1446 BC) and went to Israel. Why didn't the Yadavas travel to the tribe Karmali that's living east of the Yamuna river that flows eastward? They could have remained in India and survived from that drought that's west of the Yamuna River. However, instead, Krishna led them far away (40 years to travel) to Israel. That's a long way away. That's OIT, correct?
AIT means Aryans came into India; this is what I thought @Aupmanyav was thinking, and then I find out I was wrong. Then I think @Aupmanyav thinks something to do with Brits; not sure; however, I think that's way later than 1500 BCE. That is what @Aupmanyav is referring to, am I understanding? Yet this is two different eras?
OIT, which means people lived in India and has nothing to do with Aryans, so no Aryans in India, then some tribes left India, and (not sure when Aryans) that way later, then 1500 BCE, and at another era maybe came to India.
I'm agreeing with OIT, and that's what the Common Prophet book agrees with, correct? Am I understanding this correctly? @Bharat Jhunjhunwala? Or am I misunderstanding what OIT is?
For me to be able to have a functional discussion with people, at times I'm learning their perspectives so I can have a functional discussion.
What happens to me often is I won't understand that person's perspective, and I get lost in the conversation.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
I was asking if people uses their ancient calendar and also asking if Hindus can learn other religions and still able to be Hindu. I think Hindus can. Do you think so too? It's called dismiss. @Bharat Jhunjhunwala now claims he's all religions which is fine to - what I keep seeing is the word blame as people blame @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as not a Hindu when @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims he is a Hindu. I see @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as a Hindu because he claims to be Hindu. I saw you @mangalavara as a Hindu too as you were asking about other religions.
@mangalavara
Where do you think the first calendar was located?
You asked if people uses their ancient calendar
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala @GoodAttention would the first calendar be from southern India using the Tamil calendar or was the first calendar in Indus Valley India and using what calendar, does this show in the list that @mangalavara shows or were there more calendars? Also, @Bharat Jhunjhunwala, @GoodAttention, do you use an ancient calendar ever?
Online:
What calendar do most people use today?
The Gregorian calendar is the calendar used in most parts of the world. It went into effect in October 1582 following the papal bull Inter gravissimas issued by Pope Gregory XIII, which introduced it as a modification of, and replacement for, the Julian calendar.
Gregorian calendar - Wikipedia
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Gregorian_calendar
My question to practice vocabulary Prefect, which means to be born into political ruler: who is Pope Gregory XIII? Was the Pope prefect able to issue this Gregorian calendar? Or were Popes never prefect and can still issue a calendar?
I want to make this clear.
I understand light in me that I feed from isn't planet sun. Yet many times I'd articulate about light in me and people thinks I'm writing about planet sun
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firedragon
Veteran Member
Don't we all come from Adam anyway?