Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers

[mangalavara]

Where do you think the first calendar was located?

I don’t know.

You asked if people uses their ancient calendar

In that thread, I asked people how they observe the calendar that is used in their religion. The Nanakshahi and Revised Julian calendars, which I had listed, are hardly ancient.

 

[River Sea]

I don’t know.



In that thread, I asked people how they observe the calendar that is used in their religion. The Nanakshahi and Revised Julian calendars, which I had listed, are hardly ancient.

Nanakshahi I'll look this word up later.
Oh, so those calendars aren't ancient. However interesting a question you do have, do these people use those calendars? I was asking this too.

The Jews still uses their calendar as of Oct 12th they'll kill a goat to clean themselves from the 613 laws they created that's only for Jews not for non Jews. That's called the Yom Kippur and yes they follow their calendar. Here's the calendar: Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) Tishri 10, 5785 October 12, 2024 Hebrew Calendar

Here's the other reason why I was asking you @mangalavara about it, which is Hinduism. I added an edit to my other post and I'll post it below here too. Please ignore the word ancient because you explain this isn't ancient. Also, I'll show you even further below what I had written a while back about calendars.

I added edit in my other post.
I was asking if people use their ancient calendar and also asking if Hindus can learn other religions and still be able to be Hindu. I think Hindus can. Do you think so too? It's called dismissal. @Bharat Jhunjhunwala now claims he's all religions, which is fine. What I keep seeing is the word blame, as people blame @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as not a Hindu when @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims he is a Hindu. I see @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as a Hindu because he claims to be Hindu. I saw you, @mangalavara, as a Hindu too, as you were asking about other religions if they follow their calendars, I wonder this too and learned the Jews do follow their calendar. I do think they'll eat that goat that they'll kill on Oct 12 of this year that's shown from their calendar. Yom Kippur Tishri 10, year 5785. From their calendar.

Now here's what I had written about calendar, which is about 13 months

Update: Just learn that the Hindu calendar has a 13th month every four years. So, what are the calendar similarities between Hinduism and Hebrews? Because there are 13 months in the Lunisolar Hebrew calendar too, the Hebrews need to adjust their calendar with a leap year Add a 13th month (2nd Adar) 7 times in 19 years

@Wandering Monk Yeah your right Hebrews doesn't strictly use the lunar calendar and uses a lunar-solar calendar. You're right about what you wrote.

Later I watched this video Session 2 How the Jewish Calendar Works

I learn
The Solar Calendar is when the earth goes around the sun. (Devines seasons)
The Lunar Calendar is the moon goes around the earth (no relations to seasons)

Hebrews combine solar and lunar calendars to create the Lunisolar calendar (this allows them to observe Passover in the spring and Sukkot in the autumn).

That's what you were saying too @Wandering Monk so they can observe Passover in the spring and Sukkot in the autumn

This is also what I learn from that video

I screen shot this from video

So to summarise this mess
Question do any of you uses other calendars
Can Hindus learn other religions and still claim they're Hindus?

 

[mangalavara]

I was asking if people use their ancient calendar and also asking if Hindus can learn other religions and still be able to be Hindu. I think Hindus can. Do you think so too?

Hindus can definitely learn about other religions.

Learning another religion and adding elements of it to Hinduism as practiced by an ethnic group, small community, family, or individual is also fine. Balinese Hinduism, for example, contains many elements of indigenous Javanese/Balinese religion. Western Hindus could include elements of native European religions if they wish. Hindus in Central Asia could include elements of Tengrism if they wish.

It's called dismissal. @Bharat Jhunjhunwala now claims he's all religions, which is fine.

I’m not sure what he means by that.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Don't we all come from Adam anyway?

Yes, but that is a lot earlier and different than the claim that was being made.

 

[firedragon]

Yes, but that is a lot earlier and different than the claim that was being made.

I understand. I was just posing that question because it does not matter where or from which race we come from. But I guess that's derailing your thread so I apologize for asking that question.

I must say your thesis is very interesting. I must read carefully and I have not seen your research yet. I will go through the thread. Thank you for bringing an interesting study. Cheers.

 

[River Sea]

@mangalavara

I’m not sure what he means by that.

In reference to this

It's called dismissal. @Bharat Jhunjhunwala now claims he's all religions, which is fine.

@mangalavara thank you for explaining that Hindus can learn other religions and continue being a Hindu. I need to look up some words you shown.

Hindus can definitely learn about other religions.

Learning another religion and adding elements of it to Hinduism as practiced by an ethnic group, small community, family, or individual is also fine. Balinese Hinduism, for example, contains many elements of indigenous Javanese/Balinese religion. Western Hindus could include elements of native European religions if they wish. Hindus in Central Asia could include elements of Tengrism if they wish.

As about @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
At times, @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims he's Hindu, and he'll keep claiming he's Hindu as people would question him if he's a Christian. I then claim he's Hindu because he claims he's a Hindu. This will happen with many posts. People are claiming @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as a Christian, while @Bharat Jhunjhunwala will claim he's a Hindu.

Here's examples: it might be out of sequence (I hope correct word)

Then why does one member @Aupmanyav mentions in his many a posts that @Bharat Jhunjhunwala is an evangelical Christian (aka a Protestant), please, right?

Here's I'm claiming @Bharat Jhunjhunwala is a Hindu because @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims he's a hindu.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala is a Hindu because he claims he's a Hindu.

What is this kind of cultural with them, I don't know of, please?
Is our friend @Bharat Jhunjhunwala , a Christian, please, right?

You can see here @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims he's a hindu.

Bharat Jhunjhunwala is a Hindu.

@mangalavara
I began asking questions, what's a Hindu can a Hindu learn other religions.

Then without exploring my question; @Bharat Jhunjhunwala would claim he's Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jewish. while my question wasn't addressed. I felt this emotion dismissed.

I am a Hindu, Christian, Jew and Muslim. Born Hindu/

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala would say this after he claims he's Hindu for a while. And people would blame him for claiming to be Hindu due to sounding similar to Christianity.

I notice some people would blame @Bharat Jhunjhunwala if he claims himself Hindu, as these people would claim @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as a Christian, but it's more about blame as this word Christianity would be blamed as doing something to Hindus. Then @Bharat Jhunjhunwala would claim he's Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jewish. After being blamed.

So picture me telling others I agree @Bharat Jhunjhunwala is Hindu due to others blaming @Bharat Jhunjhunwala as not a Hindu but a Christian. However this was when @Bharat Jhunjhunwala is claiming he's Hindu.

Instead of helping me with my question about can Hindus learn another religion and still be a Hindu, @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims he's Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jewish. It feels dismissal feelings. It goes so fast I can't keep up with writing. I hope I'm making sense.

Yet after he claims he's Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, I'll agree then @Bharat Jhunjhunwala is Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jewish. Basically I'll claim what the person claims they are. However in this case I also ask questions too. Questions aren't answered. Not sure why?

Picture me slowly extremely behind and slowly catching up. Maybe this communication style is dismiss. It's just a tool to use. From writing this, I'm beginning to realize what's going on. Could it be a tool to use to keep those who blames not able to (something) don't know word. So this was towards them who blames and I just got caught up in the middle of it and this is why my question wasn't answered., I'm realizing this.

While switching from claiming Hindu to claiming being Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jew, all at once, perhaps is a tool to deal with those who blames, I'm realizing this as I'm writing.

meanwhile I taken the time to ask a question about Hinduism, what is a Hindu and can Hindus learn other religions and still be a Hindu, You @mangalavara explained yes. A person can be a Hindu and learn other religions and also can continue being a Hindu.

 

[paarsurrey]

I am a Hindu, Christian, Jew and Muslim. Born Hindu(/)

There is an oblique at the end, does it mean that you wanted to add more, please, right??

Regards

 

[GoodAttention]

Short responds here

@GoodAttention
I'm agreeing with OIT that there were no Aryans in India during 1500 BCE.

I am lost in discussions with other people's understandings, as I realized to have a functional discussion, I need to comprehend how they comprehend.

Sadly, as I learn other people's perspectives, people are thinking, What? What does this reconciliation mean that you're telling me to do? How come I'm not allowed to comprehend others perspectives? Please explain.

If anyone claims Germans are Aryans, then please explain Germans in 1500 BCE then. Are people who's thinking AIT claiming Germans in India during 1500 BCE then?

Long responds below, but mainly it explains what I wrote above.

@GoodAttention
I agree with common prophets, and that's about OIT; am I understanding correctly? However, I am lost in discussions with other people's understandings, as I realized to have a functional discussion, I need to comprehend how they comprehend. Please share the authors to help me understand what you're referring to. I'm actually lost with this word, Aryan. If anyone claims Germans are Aryans, then please explain Germans in 1500 BCE then. Are people who's thinking AIT claiming Germans in India during 1500 BCE then?

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
It's from Common Prophets. I was learning that in 1500 BCE, Yadavas from the Indus Valley, India, traveled to Israel. That's OIT, am I understanding correctly?

All these other areas are from other people's perspectives, so I at least seek to comprehend where they're coming from. For example, @Aupmanyav keeps talking about not agreeing with @Bharat Jhunjhunwala. I observe both @Aupmanyav and @Bharat Jhunjhunwala disagreeing

Another example I learned from the book Common Prophets is that Canaan is located in Ghuram, India. There's people living in Ghuram, India, that is, Canaan in 1500 BCE. Who are these people who lived there? That's OIT because no Aryans in Ghuram, India; that's Canaan.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala Please clarify this for me. Krishna killed Yadavas or Yadavas killing Yadavas; however, why killing each other at Dwarka?

Here's longer detail.
(Also during 1500 BCE. The Yadavas lived south of Ghuram, India; was it at Vadnagar, India? Some Yadavas didn't make it before this time, as they'd died in Dwarka, India. How come?

I'm not sure why would Krishna kill a lot of Yadavas at Dwarka, and yet other Yadavas that weren't killed would follow Krishna; or was it only Yadavas killing Yadavas in Dwarka, but why killing each other for?

Yet eventually the living Yadavas followed Krishna and eventually, from Vadnagar, India, left to an unknown area that @Bharat Jhunjhunwala discovered where to (Exodus from Indus Valley) and traveled to Israel, Isha. That's OIT, correct?

Maybe I need to read that area in Common Prophets to refresh my memory about that scene, what happened in Dwarka, and the killings of the Yadavas. But still, that's OIT, correct? Or is OIT something else; if so, what is OIT?)

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
Yadavas left Indus Valley, India (1446 BC) and went to Israel. Why didn't the Yadavas travel to the tribe Karmali that's living east of the Yamuna river that flows eastward? They could have remained in India and survived from that drought that's west of the Yamuna River. However, instead, Krishna led them far away (40 years to travel) to Israel. That's a long way away. That's OIT, correct?



AIT means Aryans came into India; this is what I thought @Aupmanyav was thinking, and then I find out I was wrong. Then I think @Aupmanyav thinks something to do with Brits; not sure; however, I think that's way later than 1500 BCE. That is what @Aupmanyav is referring to, am I understanding? Yet this is two different eras?

OIT, which means people lived in India and has nothing to do with Aryans, so no Aryans in India, then some tribes left India, and (not sure when Aryans) that way later, then 1500 BCE, and at another era maybe came to India.

I'm agreeing with OIT, and that's what the Common Prophet book agrees with, correct? Am I understanding this correctly? @Bharat Jhunjhunwala? Or am I misunderstanding what OIT is?

For me to be able to have a functional discussion with people, at times I'm learning their perspectives so I can have a functional discussion.

What happens to me often is I won't understand that person's perspective, and I get lost in the conversation.

Dear @River Sea, I thank you for your interest and involvement in this discussion. I will make my points very clear so that I hope you understand. This is a complicated discussion, so instead of making it more complicated I will explain to you my opinion which I hope you will accept.

Out of India Theory - ALL of it is incorrect. There is not an iota of truth behind any of it. Mr Jhunjhunwala has his own agenda, which is what many of us here are attempting to show the rest of the world. There is not even an iota of integrity in Mr Jhunjhunwala. The words I wish to use to describe that person would be against the rules of this forum. Please believe me when I say DO NOT TRUST HIM. You will not find a single person on this forum who will accept a racist like Mr Jhunjhunwala.

Common Prophets - ALL of it is incorrect. Again, there is not an iota of truth behind it because Mr Jhunjhunwala has his own agenda.

Germans are Aryans - ALL of it is INCORRECT. The entire WORLD fought a war against these NAZI scum because these cockroaches believed they were the "highest form of human existence". THEY WERE WRONG. THERE IS NO MASTER ARYAN RACE. It is racism, racism, racism. ALL persons who believe in a genetic superiority over another needs to be wiped clean off the face of this earth.

Please, do not believe every single word you read. When words conflict with each other what do you do? To start, at the very least please ask, who is supporting that racist Mr Jhunjhunwala? How many people are against him here? You think all of us are wrong and he is correct? He cannot even give you a straight answer on any question.

 

[GoodAttention]

Yet after he claims he's Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, I'll agree then @Bharat Jhunjhunwala is Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jewish. Basically I'll claim what the person claims they are. However in this case I also ask questions too. Questions aren't answered. Not sure why?

There is no such existence to be a Hindu, Christian, Muslim, and Jewish at the same time.

Jhunjhunwala makes a mockery of all beliefs in one sentence.

He mocks humanity to sell his own degeneracy.

Picture me slowly extremely behind and slowly catching up. Maybe this communication style is dismiss. It's just a tool to use. From writing this, I'm beginning to realize what's going on. Could it be a tool to use to keep those who blames not able to (something) don't know word. So this was towards them who blames and I just got caught up in the middle of it and this is why my question wasn't answered., I'm realizing this.

Yes! Follow this and you will realize you cannot trust everyone.

 

[River Sea]

Aryans were basically tribes in Afghanistan (Alexander's Ariana), who came to India in the 2nd millennium BCE.
All these languages from Ireland to India are derived from PIE and Indo-European languages.

Sure, I am a Kashmiri Brahmin. My descent probably is from Kamboja tribe, which merged with Aryans. The line is from a Kamboja sage, Upamanyu.

I'm showing that I often see this word Aryans.
Aryans from Afghanistan.

Sure, I am a Kashmiri Brahmin. My descent probably is from Kamboja tribe, which merged with Aryans. The line is from a Kamboja sage, Upamanyu.

But Vedic Aryans had come to India much before the time of Zoroaster. By that time, Hinduism had assimilated Vedic religion.
Indian Aryans did not have much contact with Central Asian or Afghan Aryans after settling down in India.
They had abandoned their wandering ways and had settled in villages and cities in the Land of Seven Rivers (Hapta Hendu) and termed it as Arya-varta (The Land of Aryans).

Was that the 2nd millennium BC spanned the years 2000 BC to 1001 BC
So what date was that when the Aryans came to India much before the time of Zoroaster? So then they call this the land of the Aryans. as they settled in a villages and cities in the land of seven rivers.

1. What the PIE (Aryans for India) were most concerned about was reappearance of sun after a difficult two-month long Arctic night.

- Aryans came into India from the North Pole. (I thought only Santa Claus lived there - lol).
- Aryans have always been indigenous to India, thus making Dalits the Aryans.
- Aryans migrated into India as the Gypsis did in other lands.
- Caste system was not created by Aryans, but actually by Indians to punish themselves.

Here's an example as @paarsurrey asked which I almost didn't because of (not sure what)

Friend @River Sea
Such things are part of their obsession with the "India Divine", they claim that they came from the North Pole after the last ice age and or the "glacial era" while, one could say, the fauna and flora of North Pole is not mentioned in their Vedas and the vice versa, please, right?

" The Arctic Home in the Vedas by Indian nationalist, teacher and independence activist Bal Gangadhar Tilak is a 1903 book on the origin of the Indo-European peoples, which he in accordance with academic consensus in his time, refers to as Aryans for the totality of his book.[1] Based on his analysis of Vedic hymns, Avestic passages, Vedic chronology and Vedic calendars, Tilak argued that the North Pole was the original home of Aryans during the pre-glacial period, which they left due to climate changes around 8000 B.C., migrating to the Northern parts of Europe and Asia. "
" Golwalkar was inspired by Tilak's The Arctic Home in the Vedas.[3][note 1] Gowalkar took over the idea of 10,000 years, arguing that the North Pole at that time was located in India.[3][note 2] "

Again more Aryans. What does Aryan even mean?

 

[paarsurrey]

Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers
paarsurrey said:
" The Arctic Home in the Vedas by Indian nationalist, teacher and independence activist Bal Gangadhar Tilak is a 1903 book on the origin of the Indo-European peoples, which he in accordance with academic consensus in his time, refers to as Aryans for the totality of his book.[1] Based on his analysis of Vedic hymns, Avestic passages, Vedic chronology and Vedic calendars, Tilak argued that the North Pole was the original home of Aryans during the pre-glacial period, which they left due to climate changes around 8000 B.C., migrating to the Northern parts of Europe and Asia. "
" Golwalkar was inspired by Tilak's The Arctic Home in the Vedas.[3][note 1] Gowalkar took over the idea of 10,000 years, arguing that the North Pole at that time was located in India.[3][note 2] "

Again more Aryans. What does Aryan even mean?

" arguing that the North Pole at that time was located in India.[3][note 2]"
And as per their constitution, I understand, their name is " Bharat" and the name of their religion is "Dharma"/Dharmic, please, right?
Just google/Wikipedia for it, right, please?

Regards
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Do Dravidian Hindus reject all traditions associated with Vedic Hinduism?
There is no such as Dravidian Hinduism. Hinduism is an ethnic and political identity, not a religion.
Tamizh Tradition indeed has had a great impact on the Vedic world. Vedas have flourished in South India and all the great Vedantis hail from there.
Perhaps the converse is a more appropriate question. Why do Vedic Hindus reject Vedic culture?

Quora

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[River Sea]

"The word Hinduism in India has been applied geographically to different areas at different times. Historically, Bharat or India was applied only to a small area south of Rajasthan. Then it became pan-India and then there is no reason to believe that it did not cover Pakistan and Indus Valley and even the Hingol mud volcano. So, we have to be flexible with application of geographical area with a name."

@GoodAttention
Then it became pan-India.

So the word Bharat or India does not cover Pakistan, Indus Valley, or Hingol Mud volcano. I understand there's different words back in 1500 BCE, and we're using more modern words to explain. Did I understand this grammar correctly? I did struggle with negative negative. (no reason) negative (it did not) negative. That means no. So not cover these areas. I hope I understood this. Or is negative cancel negative so then means yes.


@GoodAttention here you share you believe in the PIE

I certainly do believe that the PIE to be the most prominent group of peoples that moved/migrated in a general direction away from the equator, and therefore a north-south movement, instead of most migration movements which tend to be east-west. I think the changing of daylight hours on the human brain would have been a positive, and it is what separates their intellectual experience of the world from other groups.

They were a people who were basically up for the challenge and sought adventure and took lessons that others had not experienced.

@GoodAttention Here you explain about Dravidian languages. So to look first at the Dravidian language

It is a crime that Indians themselves, specifically those who speak a language that is derived from Sanskrit, look to the north-west of the world longingly at the European languages, or even the ancient Semetic languages such as Akkadian, rather than in a south direction and with their own countrymen at the Dravidian languages first and fore-most.

It is garbage. It goes back to race superiority and skin color. These low-life scum should acknowledge their bias and perversions before making public any "theory" and what it is based on.

Ultimately the answer will be solved, but not by these Nazi cockroaches. The Indus Valley Script will be deciphered and it will show commonality with proto-Dravidian, and NOT an Indo-European language. The proof will come from ancient Egyptian language also, and to do this the Tamil language needs to be purified first. Mother Tamil must be brought back, and the Tamils themselves need to stop being lazy and stand up.

Please explain more why the Tamil language needs to be purified first and Mother Tamil must be brought back.

@GoodAttention
I don't know who you are referring to Nazi who are they? What is a Nazi? Especailly the Nazi's in 1500 BCE as you often write about. Where were they living?

@Aupmanyav shares about the Aryans from Afghanistan.

I don't understand why you call Tamils lazy. What do they do when they're lazy? Can you please explain this?

So the first language was Dravidian. as you @GoodAttention explains The Indus Valley Script will be deciphered and it will show commonality with proto-Dravidian, however you also explain you believe in the pie

I do understand Sanskrit eastward and Germanic westward that's when people left India,

And from @GoodAttention that the Dravidian was the first language

 

[GoodAttention]

@GoodAttention
Then it became pan-India.

So the word Bharat or India does not cover Pakistan, Indus Valley, or Hingol Mud volcano. I understand there's different words back in 1500 BCE, and we're using more modern words to explain. Did I understand this grammar correctly? I did struggle with negative negative. (no reason) negative (it did not) negative. That means no. So not cover these areas. I hope I understood this. Or is negative cancel negative so then means yes.

There is a deeper meaning you are not understanding. Unfortunately in India, there is a political push to rename the country Bharat. This is because one particular ethnic group wants to claim dominance over all the others. There is no reason to do this except for racism.

@GoodAttention here you share you believe in the PIE


@GoodAttention Here you explain about Dravidian languages. So to look first at the Dravidian language



Please explain more why the Tamil language needs to be purified first and Mother Tamil must be brought back.

The Tamil language has 18 consonants. Unfortunately, because of Sankritisation, an additional 4 consonants have been added. These are NOT native or natural letters to Tamil. When I say the language must be purified, I am speaking specifically about removing words that include these Sanskrit letters, and going back to using the original Tamil words, if they exist.

Mother Tamil (Thai Thamil) is the veneration of language as divine. This is not unique to the Tamil language, but it does go to explain the ancient history and original perception of Tamil amongst its speakers. When I say this language must be brought back, I am talking about its form WITHOUT SANSKRIT.

Tamil Thai - Wikipedia

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@GoodAttention
I don't know who you are referring to Nazi who are they? What is a Nazi? Especailly the Nazi's in 1500 BCE as you often write about. Where were they living?

@Aupmanyav shares about the Aryans from Afghanistan.

I don't understand why you call Tamils lazy. What do they do when they're lazy? Can you please explain this?

IF Mother Tamil is to be brought back, it can only be done so by those who speak with language.

So the first language was Dravidian. as you @GoodAttention explains The Indus Valley Script will be deciphered and it will show commonality with proto-Dravidian, however you also explain you believe in the pie

I do understand Sanskrit eastward and Germanic westward that's when people left India,

And from @GoodAttention that the Dravidian was the first language

I have posted this before for you, I will post again.

Dravidian languages - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Aupmanyav]

Don't we all come from Adam anyway?

Adam who? Adam (disambiguation) - Wikipedia

 

[Aupmanyav]

Unfortunately in India, there is a political push to rename the country Bharat. This is because one particular ethnic group wants to claim dominance over all the others. There is no reason to do this except for racism.

The Tamil language has 18 consonants. Unfortunately, because of Sankritisation, an additional 4 consonants have been added. These are NOT native or natural letters to Tamil. When I say the language must be purified, I am speaking specifically about removing words that include these Sanskrit letters, and going back to using the original Tamil words, if they exist.
Mother Tamil (Thai Thamil) is the veneration of language as divine. This is not unique to the Tamil language, but it does go to explain the ancient history and original perception of Tamil amongst its speakers. When I say this language must be brought back, I am talking about its form WITHOUT SANSKRIT.

Tamil Thai - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

IF Mother Tamil is to be brought back, it can only be done so by those who speak with language.
I have posted this before for you, I will post again.

Dravidian languages - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Would you name that 'ethnic group'? That 'ethnic group' must be having some name.
'Bharatvarsh', Bharatkhand', 'Bharat Desh' have been used for India since centuries.

'Brought back'? What do you mean by that? Has it gone anywhere? It is a state language, a designated classical language of India. Sure, Tamils are free to change their language in any way they want. But changing it makes it artificial. Look what has happened to Hindi.

Every one loves his language. I speak Hindustani (Urdu mixed). Marwari is my second language, because my people settled in Rajasthan after migrating from Kashmir around 200 years ago. All the other languages of India are my சித்தி (citti). Sanskrit is my பெரிய அம்மா (periya amma).
You may have different relations with languages.

 

[GoodAttention]

Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers
paarsurrey said:
" The Arctic Home in the Vedas by Indian nationalist, teacher and independence activist Bal Gangadhar Tilak is a 1903 book on the origin of the Indo-European peoples, which he in accordance with academic consensus in his time, refers to as Aryans for the totality of his book.[1] Based on his analysis of Vedic hymns, Avestic passages, Vedic chronology and Vedic calendars, Tilak argued that the North Pole was the original home of Aryans during the pre-glacial period, which they left due to climate changes around 8000 B.C., migrating to the Northern parts of Europe and Asia. "
" Golwalkar was inspired by Tilak's The Arctic Home in the Vedas.[3][note 1] Gowalkar took over the idea of 10,000 years, arguing that the North Pole at that time was located in India.[3][note 2] "


" arguing that the North Pole at that time was located in India.[3][note 2]"
And as per their constitution, I understand, their name is " Bharat" and the name of their religion is "Dharma"/Dharmic, please, right?
Just google/Wikipedia for it, right, please?

Regards
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Answered by
M Raghavan (aka Mohan Sagar)
8mo
Do Dravidian Hindus reject all traditions associated with Vedic Hinduism?
There is no such as Dravidian Hinduism. Hinduism is an ethnic and political identity, not a religion.
Tamizh Tradition indeed has had a great impact on the Vedic world. Vedas have flourished in South India and all the great Vedantis hail from there.
Perhaps the converse is a more appropriate question. Why do Vedic Hindus reject Vedic culture?

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This is an excellent question, and it is correct that not all tradition to be considered "Hindu" is indeed "Vedic", and unfortunately it is all a mixture or many different ideologies and influences into one.

One good reference is the Book of Aram, which gives a good understanding of how Tamil speakers viewed and discussed "dharma".

Aram (Kural book) - Wikipedia

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[GoodAttention]

Would you name that 'ethnic group'? That 'ethnic group' must be having some name.
'Bharatvarsh', Bharatkhand', 'Bharat Desh' have been used for India since centuries.

Perhaps I should say Bharatiya Janata Party voters

'Brought back'? What do you mean by that? Has it gone anywhere? It is a state language, a designated classical language of India. Sure, Tamils are free to change their language in any way they want. But changing it makes it artificial. Look what has happened to Hindi.

This is a good question. Brought back means how close can we get to proto-Dravidian? In Tamil this is easy because there are 4 additional consonants that we know were added to the language BECAUSE of the Sanskrit influence. Hence, any word that uses these new letters cannot be proto-Dravidian.

This is my hypothesis.

Every one loves his language. I speak Hindustani (Urdu mixed). Marwari is my second language, because my people settled in Rajasthan after migrating from Kashmir around 200 years ago. All the other languages of India are my சித்தி (citti). Sanskrit is my பெரிய அம்மா (periya amma).
You may have different relations with languages.

I speak English only, however I have connection to both Tamil and Sinhala.

The importance of Mother Tamil (எய்த அம்மா, difficult to translate but best is Grand/All Mother) is more than words, the story of Tamil and Sivan are linked inextricably. There is nothing more important in the Tamil language than the Tamil "Genesis" story. which explains the birth of the 18 consonants, the 12 vowels and the 1 special/hidden vowel, the 5 sathi, and the story of Kanappa, which is retold as the story of Dhaksha in the Vedas.

Tamils are the only people I know who venerate their language, but other could do this also.

 

[Aupmanyav]

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Such things are part of their obsession with the "India Divine", they claim that they came from the North Pole after the last ice age and or the "glacial era" while, one could say, the fauna and flora of North Pole is not mentioned in their Vedas and the vice versa, please, right?

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" The Arctic Home in the Vedas by Indian nationalist, teacher and independence activist Bal Gangadhar Tilak is a 1903 book on the origin of the Indo-European peoples, which he in accordance with academic consensus in his time, refers to as Aryans for the totality of his book.[1] Based on his analysis of Vedic hymns, Avestic passages, Vedic chronology and Vedic calendars, Tilak argued that the North Pole was the original home of Aryans during the pre-glacial period, which they left due to climate changes around 8000 B.C., migrating to the Northern parts of Europe and Asia. "
" Golwalkar was inspired by Tilak's The Arctic Home in the Vedas.[3][note 1] Gowalkar took over the idea of 10,000 years, arguing that the North Pole at that time was located in India.[3][note 2] "

The Arctic Home in the Vedas - Wikipedia

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" Efforts to change Indian history come only from agenda driven Hindu extremists to make Hinduism look good. Some of their beliefs are hilarious at the best, for example:
- Aryans came into India from the North Pole. (I thought only Santa Claus lived there - lol).
- Aryans have always been indigenous to India, thus making Dalits the Aryans.
- Aryans migrated into India as the Gypsis did in other lands.
- Caste system was not created by Aryans, but actually by Indians to punish themselves.
That is no way to write any history. If these guys ever really succeed in writing such a history, they definitely will be ridiculed across the globe, and Indian scholarship will hit a gutter level bottom. "

Why Wasn't India United Before?

You could have benefited by understanding what a 'jeevanmukta' is. Know it from first hand, but you are not so inclined. :( Sigh, you can bring a horse to a trough, But you cannot make it drink water. I would much rather learn about Jivanmukta from a Jnani. What first hand? If one would...

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Paarsurrey, you know that I am a strong atheist. The word 'Divine' does not exist in my dictionary.
Not from North Pole, but from sub-Arctic regions of Eurasia (Siberia) to escape the ice-age. They were not from Eastern Siberia. They first settled Yamnaya region (Volga delta) and from there migrated first to Europe (Sredny-Stog), then back North to Russia (Samara culture) and later to India and Iran (BMAC).
Hinduism is always good. It does not insist on acceptance of any particular Gods or Goddesses or on 'prophets/sons/messengers/manifestations/mahdis", for which no evidence has ever been provided.
Can you, Paarsurrey, give any evidence about existence of Allah and that what Muhammad or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said, whom you accept as Nabi or Mahdi, was conveyed to them by Allah?
Don't play with Aupmanyav, he can bite back very badly.
Hinduism is not a dead religion (a religion where change is prohibited), accepts changes with time and gives freedom of belief.
Aryans were nomadic herders and migrated to India around 1,500 BCE and mixed with indigenous people. The indigenous people have not lost their identity.
Aryans had no caste system. Caste system existed in India before the coming of Aryans. Aryans had just four divisions of society.
We do not worry a bit about people who are jealous of Hinduism or India. India goes its way.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Perhaps I should say Bharatiya Janata Party voters

This is a good question. Brought back means how close can we get to proto-Dravidian? In Tamil this is easy because there are 4 additional consonants that we know were added to the language BECAUSE of the Sanskrit influence. Hence, any word that uses these new letters cannot be proto-Dravidian.

This is my hypothesis.

I speak English only, however I have connection to both Tamil and Sinhala.

The importance of Mother Tamil (எய்த அம்மா, difficult to translate but best is Grand/All Mother) is more than words, the story of Tamil and Sivan are linked inextricably. There is nothing more important in the Tamil language than the Tamil "Genesis" story. which explains the birth of the 18 consonants, the 12 vowels and the 1 special/hidden vowel, the 5 sathi, and the story of Kanappa, which is retold as the story of Dhaksha in the Vedas.

Tamils are the only people I know who venerate their language, but other could do this also.

Of course, I vote for BJP. It is one of the two Indian parties based on ideology apart from the Communists. All others are dynastic or opportunists, having gobbled billions of rupees which belonged to poor people of India. See Modi, after 13 years as Chief Minister of Gujarat and 10 as Prime Minister of India, his assets total USD 3.6 million, which also he will give away in charity. See, Yogi, after 19 years as a member of parliament and 7 years as the Chief Minister of the largest state of India, Uttar Pradesh, his assets total USD 1.83 million. Both do not own any house, land or cars anywhere in India or abroad. Both have no heirs to pass on what they own, which will go to the people of India. Both are monks, only that Modi has not been initiated as one. Are there any politicians in the opposition who are as clean as them?

Please remember that Kashmiri brahmins are by and large Shaivas. Sivan, Murugan or Mariamman (for us Mother Parvati) do not belong exclusively to Tamils. They are ours too.

 

[GoodAttention]

Of course, I vote for BJP. It is one of the two Indian parties based on ideology apart from the Communists. All others are dynastic or opportunists, having gobbled billions of rupees which belonged to poor people of India. See Modi, after 13 years as Chief Minister of Gujarat and 10 as Prime Minister of India, his assets total USD 3.6 million, which also he will give away in charity. See, Yogi, after 19 years as a member of parliament and 7 years as the Chief Minister of the largest state of India, Uttar Pradesh, his assets total USD 1.83 million. Both have no land, home or cars. Both have no heirs to pass on what they own, which will belong to the people of India. Are there any politicians in the opposition who are as clean as them? Not just Yogi is a monk, Modi too is no less than a monk.

My comment about BJP was of course part humor, but with every bit of humor there is also an element of truth.

My question to you is, are you in favor of changing the name from India to Bharat? If so, do you believe this is fair for all ethnicities and communities in India?

Please remember that Kashmiri brahmins are by and large Shaivas. Sivan, Murugan or Mariamman (for us Mother Parvati) do not belong exclusively to Tamils. They are ours too.

I am not against sharing, believe what it is you want to.

However the name and concept Sivan came from somewhere, and I do not believe Rudra = Sivan.

There is far more to our (Indus) collective history than meets the eye, and we should do more to explore together rather than separately.