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Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers

Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

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Bharat Jhunjhunwala said:
Please read BP Das's Ancient History and you will find the evidence that the name Bharat was applied to a small area south of Pushkar.
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When was this? So, were the Aryans aware of a small area south of Pushkar when they arrived here from Afghanistan? Why was that area named as Bharat? I had thought that they first arrived in 'Sapta Sindhu' when they came here. Who is this BP Das, you did not give a link to him or his book? You did not even properly give the name of his book that you want me to read. Lastly, is he a Christian like you and a evangelist? Many a times these missionaries write absolutely foolish things about India and Hindus.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

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Bharat Jhunjhunwala said:
Yes, the Yadavas left India at 1446 BCE as per Bible and there is no evidence of the Aryans coming to India. What we have is the evidence of the Proto-Indo-European language coming to India that could have been brought by travelers, merchants, or some other method. There is no indication of any largescale migration of people into India.
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What is the evidence that Yadavas left India? What route did they take? Whom did they encounter in this long journey? How many of them were in this party (3 million in Sinai Peninsula, like what Moses said of Israelites)? Were there only men in the party or they had taken their women along?
And, oh! Now should we look in Bible to know if the Aryans ever migrated to or invaded India.
Ah, oh, again! Two third of India accepted and speaks Indo-European languages and these languages were brought into India by a few trades people ?
You said 'some other method'. Kindly let us know what do you mean by 'these other methods'? What methods you have in mind?
 
Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
Aupmanyav said:
When was this? So, were the Aryans aware of a small area south of Pushkar when they arrived here from Afghanistan? Why was that area named as Bharat? I had thought that they first arrived in 'Sapta Sindhu' when they came here. Who is this BP Das, you did not give a link to him or his book? You did not even properly give the name of his book that you want me to read. Lastly, is he a Christian like you and a evangelist? Many a times these missionaries write absolutely foolish things about India and Hindus.
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Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

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Bharat Jhunjhunwala: Reply to your post # 143

Aupmanyav: "An internet journal which exists only in Google Drive: Sign-in is not going to prove your point. Are the contributors Christian? I know that they have selected a Buddhist professor to be the Editor-in-Chief, but that too does not help. The person may have his own interests. Christian proselytizers work in many ways. What do they mean by "Five person Archaeology"? Frauds in history are common.
The Official organization in India is Archaeological Survey of India. The other reputed organization is Indian History Congress (Know Us – Indian History Congress), since 1935. Indian History Congress has a membership of more than 30,000. My grandpa chaired one of its sessions."

Another person: "A journal that has only been around since 2021 by a publishing mill is not a good look. The article itself is riddled with so many errors, it clearly detracts from the journal as a whole, though since it's the first issue of the first volume, perhaps they just haven't found their footing. Certainly it's not reputable in academic circles.

The whole thing is just basically saying "maybe, could, possibly" and then draws a conclusion from that house of sand. It cites Christian apologetics websites (!), but doesn't engage with any actual scholarship of the Hebrew bible.
This is convincing no one, and if anything, anyone who has even a modicum of academic training will sniff out this rotten fish many miles away."
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

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Bharat Jhunjhunwala said:
Das, A. (1931). India and Jambu Island. Book

Company, limited: Calcutta.
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I checked, which you normally would not expect many people to do. But I am a historian's grandson, I do not accept things without checking. A Das mentions the Pushkar region as Varuna and Ujjain, Madhya Pradesh as Bharat Dwipa. The image that you posted was not upright and not clear. Here is the upright actual image. Whom are you trying to fool? You are a liar. Understand the meaning of your own signature.

Click the link to directly go to the page which contains the image: India and jambu island : Das, Amarnath : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

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GoodAttention said:
One only needs to read the first page before deciding if this is almost 100 year old "source" is worth more, or less, than toilet paper.

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Sure, nearly 91 year old and it may not worth more than a toilet paper, but what he mentioned were his opinions. Opinions differ. He based his theory on Puranas and Puranas are not historical material. Alexander's historians were in India for just one year. They did not go beyond Punjab and Sindh. Much of what they said was based on hearsay.
 
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Aupmanyav said:
Sure, nearly 91 year old and it may not worth more than a toilet paper, but what he mentioned were his opinions. Opinions differ. He based his theory on Puranas and Puranas are not historical material. Alexander's historians were in India for just one year. They did not go beyond Punjab and Sindh. Much of what they said was based on hearsay.
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Yes the Puranas, which the author states is "less reliable" of a source than the Greeks, Chinese, Italians, and Arabs who want to make a comment.

Perhaps it was harsh for me to make such a comparison, and you are correct it is opinion only. Mr Das is no longer with us to defend himself.

But as you have also pointed out, the words of liars must be pulled out root, stem, branch, and leaf and tossed onto a burning pyre before they can corrupt the masses.

Christian "white-washing" is cultural rape, and should be treated like Operation Hydra against Nazi Germany.
 
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Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

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GoodAttention said:
Yes the Puranas, which the author states is "less reliable" of a source than the Greeks, Chinese, Italians, and Arabs who want to make a comment.
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I would not say that. I will say 'put all under the same scanner'. Greeks, Chinese, Italians, Arabs - all reported what they saw or heard - according to their biases. ;)
 
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Aupmanyav said:
I would not say that. I will say 'put all under the same scanner'. Greeks, Chinese, Italians, Arabs - all reported what they saw or heard - according to their biases. ;)
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Bias is acceptable when one recognizes it in themselves, but when one cowers behind a crucifix as if they will be undefeated in an eternal game of hide-and-go-seek is when their shame should be broadcast.

Particularly when such people use a source that relies on hearsay from the 2nd century as the ultimate "truth", and worse still when these "truths" are used to "white-wash" history from two thousand years prior.

This is, as others say, fruit-cake batter that I will not eat.
 
Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
Aupmanyav said:
Bharat Jhunjhunwala: Reply to your post # 143

Aupmanyav: "An internet journal which exists only in Google Drive: Sign-in is not going to prove your point. Are the contributors Christian? I know that they have selected a Buddhist professor to be the Editor-in-Chief, but that too does not help. The person may have his own interests. Christian proselytizers work in many ways. What do they mean by "Five person Archaeology"? Frauds in history are common.
The Official organization in India is Archaeological Survey of India. The other reputed organization is Indian History Congress (Know Us – Indian History Congress), since 1935. Indian History Congress has a membership of more than 30,000. My grandpa chaired one of its sessions."

Another person: "A journal that has only been around since 2021 by a publishing mill is not a good look. The article itself is riddled with so many errors, it clearly detracts from the journal as a whole, though since it's the first issue of the first volume, perhaps they just haven't found their footing. Certainly it's not reputable in academic circles.

The whole thing is just basically saying "maybe, could, possibly" and then draws a conclusion from that house of sand. It cites Christian apologetics websites (!), but doesn't engage with any actual scholarship of the Hebrew bible.
This is convincing no one, and if anything, anyone who has even a modicum of academic training will sniff out this rotten fish many miles away."
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I can only repeat that I would be happy if you reply to the paper on merits, rather than breaking up irrelevant issues.
 
Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
Aupmanyav said:
Sure, nearly 91 year old and it may not worth more than a toilet paper, but what he mentioned were his opinions. Opinions differ. He based his theory on Puranas and Puranas are not historical material. Alexander's historians were in India for just one year. They did not go beyond Punjab and Sindh. Much of what they said was based on hearsay.
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The picture you have uploaded is the same that as I have said, there is nothing more to it.
 
Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
GoodAttention said:
Yes the Puranas, which the author states is "less reliable" of a source than the Greeks, Chinese, Italians, and Arabs who want to make a comment.

Perhaps it was harsh for me to make such a comparison, and you are correct it is opinion only. Mr Das is no longer with us to defend himself.

But as you have also pointed out, the words of liars must be pulled out root, stem, branch, and leaf and tossed onto a burning pyre before they can corrupt the masses.

Christian "white-washing" is cultural rape, and should be treated like Operation Hydra against Nazi Germany.
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The question was not about the credibility of this book. The question was whether Bharat was name of the area south of Pushkar and that map is sufficient and I see no reason to discredit it.
 
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GoodAttention

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Bharat Jhunjhunwala said:
The question was not about the credibility of this book. The question was whether Bharat was name of the area south of Pushkar and that map is sufficient and I see no reason to discredit it.
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IF the map YOU QUOTE comes from a book, OF COURSE the credibility of the source must be questioned.

IF the CREDIBILITY of the book is QUESTIONABLE, then the map is ALSO questionable.

WHY you insist on ridiculing basic academic and critical principle is beyond me.
 
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