Evolution and Creationism both have equal value and scientific evidence to support them.

[The_Evelyonian]

I see your just like me. Evasive.

How am I evasive? I answered your question.

What part were you not clear on?

 

[Danmac]

How am I evasive? I answered your question.

What part were you not clear on?

Auto heeelp

 

[tumbleweed41]

Baseless accusation .

Please provide a specific example of a currently accepted biological scientific conclusion that has not been tested, and repeatedly challenged before acceptance. But instead relies on unscientific presuppositions.

Why macroevolution of course.

Really?
Perhaps you could expand on your accusation and tell us how changes in allele function beyond the level of speciation relies on unscientific presuppositions.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Auto heeelp

Witticisms aside. Seriously, what were you not clear on?

I couldn't care less what religion you believe in. I'm not against anyone holding a personal belief in a deity. I come here to debate religion because I enjoy it, end of story.

Are we clear now?

 

[Tristesse]

atheism is a "non-belief", and yes allowed by "free agency".

i ask: if im wrong, what have i got to lose?

on the other hand, if your wrong, what have you got to lose?

Ah Pascal's wager. This is probably the most thoughtless argument I've ever heard. Because it's not an either or scenario. You could be wrong about jesus and it's actually ganesh who is your maker, and then your in exactly the same position as me. Or it could be any number of other gods. Or they could all be wrong, which is the position I take on this issue. And if your god is going to send me to hell simply on the basis of not believing in him, and following the dictates of my conscience. Then your god is a dick not worthy of worship.

 

[tumbleweed41]

atheism is a "non-belief", and yes allowed by "free agency".

i ask: if im wrong, what have i got to lose?

on the other hand, if your wrong, what have you got to lose?

From: Creationists, here's your chance...

I really had a laugh when I read this.
Pascal's Wager
If you erroneously believe in God, you lose nothing (assuming that death is the absolute end), whereas if you correctly believe in God, you gain everything (eternal bliss). But if you correctly disbelieve in God, you gain nothing (death ends all), whereas if you erroneously disbelieve in God, you lose everything (eternal damnation).

• Which God, gods, or deity must one insert into the wager? What assurance is there that the deity you believe in, worship and praise, is the correct deity? What if you chose wrong? With the multitude of belief systems in the world, the wager is useless.
• Should one choose belief based on weighing your odds? Would the deity you choose really appreciate this?
• Can one 'choose' to believe based on a wager?
• Basing belief on the odds is like planning your retirement on the hopes of winning the lottery, but instead of attempting to pick the right numbers, you are attempting to pick not only the right deity, but also the correct path that this deity requires for "salvation"

The only 'predicament' is for the person who accepts the wager.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

atheism is a "non-belief", and yes allowed by "free agency".

i ask: if im wrong, what have i got to lose?

Anything from nothing at all to everything you have.

on the other hand, if your wrong, what have you got to lose?

Anything from nothing at all to everything I have.

 

[Danmac]

Witticisms aside. Seriously, what were you not clear on?

I couldn't care less what religion you believe in. I'm not against anyone holding a personal belief in a deity. I come here to debate religion because I enjoy it, end of story.

Are we clear now?

If atheists have no agenda why the need for atheist organizations?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

If atheists have no agenda why the need for atheist organizations?

If children have no agenda then why the need for the boy scouts or girl scouts?

Two things:

One, just because someone has a social group or organization does not mean they have an agenda.

Two, simply because certain atheist groups do have agendas does not mean that EVERY atheist shares those agendas.

That clear things up?

 

[Danmac]

If children have no agenda then why the need for the boy scouts or girl scouts?

Two things:

One, just because someone has a social group or organization does not mean they have an agenda.

Two, simply because certain atheist groups do have agendas does not mean that EVERY atheist shares those agendas.

That clear things up?

No it doesn't clear things up. Why do atheists need to form clubs and meet together if they do not have an agenda? What is the purpose for those organizations? Forming an alliance maybe, like atheist alliance international. Sounds kinda churchy to me.

 

[Tristesse]

If atheists have no agenda why the need for atheist organizations?

It's a place for like minded individuals to get together and hang out. They don't need to have an agenda for that.

 

[Revoltingest]

If atheists have no agenda why the need for atheist organizations?

You'd have to ask the atheists who belong to such organizations. Most of us don't join them. Remember that we have a single tenet - we don't believe in god/gods. That isn't very much to have in common.....except perhaps for the fact that believers see us as a group, & sometimes pass laws which affect us. (When I was in public elementary school, there was still forced Xtian prayer for all. That was an issue which could make us rally together.)

 

[Tristesse]

No it doesn't clear things up. Why do atheists need to form clubs and meet together if they do not have an agenda? What is the purpose for those organizations? Forming an alliance maybe, like atheist alliance international. Sounds kinda churchy to me.

Because the vast majority of people are religious. And the reason for atheists to form an organization is to let people know that they're not the only ones, that there are other atheists in there community.

 

[Danmac]

It's a place for like minded individuals to get together and hang out. They don't need to have an agenda for that.

That's what church is.

 

[Tristesse]

That's what church is.

Well, thats partly what a church is. But typically churches do other things like proselytize etc.... But if I hang out with my friend who is an atheist, would you say that we have an agenda?

 

[Danmac]

Because the vast majority of people are religious. And the reason for atheists to form an organization is to let people know that they're not the only ones, that there are other atheists in there community.

So you need a support group to be an atheist? Is it a belief that causes atheists to question their own beliefs and so they form a club to say..... cheer up your not alone. Personally I enjoy standing alone against a mob. It's a bit challenging, but rewarding.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Baseless accusation .

Please provide a specific example of a currently accepted biological scientific conclusion that has not been tested, and repeatedly challenged before acceptance. But instead relies on unscientific presuppositions.

Why macroevolution of course.

Really?
Perhaps you could expand on your accusation and tell us how changes in allele function beyond the level of speciation relies on unscientific presuppositions.

Well?

 

[Danmac]

Well, thats partly what a church is. But typically churches do other things like proselytize etc.... But if I hang out with my friend who is an atheist, would you say that we have an agenda?

90% of church goers do not open their mouth to the public about their belief in God. A small percentage attempt to proselytize. Most Christians fly under the radar.

 

[Tristesse]

So you need a support group to be an atheist? Is it a belief that causes atheists to question their own beliefs and so they form a club to say..... cheer up your not alone. Personally I enjoy standing alone against a mob. It's a bit challenging, but rewarding.

I never said that you need a support group to be an atheist. But it's there if you do need it, and I wouldn't call it a support group, it's just an organization of like minded individuals. They most often don't just talk about religion or atheism. Most atheists that I know came to their atheist position from questioning their beliefs. So, I don't see questioning as a bad thing at all. Unless your beliefs are so unfounded that the mere thought of questioning would damage them.

 

[Tristesse]

90% of church goers do not open their mouth to the public about their belief in God. A small percentage attempt to proselytize. Most Christians fly under the radar.

Really? so, why do they get tax brakes? Are you saying that they're undeserving of tax brakes?