Evolution and Creationism both have equal value and scientific evidence to support them.

[Danmac]

Well?

Forget the monkeybone trail. When you can demonstrate macroevolution in a lab setting come and see me and I will bow to Australopithecus. Until then don't give me the,"I need 10 billion years to demonstrate it mumbo jumbo."

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's what church is.

My car club is a church?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Baseless accusation .

Please provide a specific example of a currently accepted biological scientific conclusion that has not been tested, and repeatedly challenged before acceptance. But instead relies on unscientific presuppositions.

Why macroevolution of course.

Really?
Perhaps you could expand on your accusation and tell us how changes in allele function beyond the level of speciation relies on unscientific presuppositions.

Well?

Forget the monkeybone trail. When you can demonstrate macroevolution in a lab setting come and see me and I will bow to Australopithecus. Until then don't give me the,"I need 10 billion years to demonstrate it mumbo jumbo."

So, you cannot give me a specific example that backs up your claim?
That's what I thought.

Do you often make such baseless accusations without any supporting facts?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

That's what church is.

No, I already posted the definition of a church. A church is a place of worship. Since atheists don't worship anything you couldn't call any atheist social group a church.

 

[tumbleweed41]

My car club is a church?

Yes, and my book club.
You know, The Holy Church of the Literate.

 

[Danmac]

So, you cannot give me a specific example that backs up your claim?
That's what I thought.

Do you often make such baseless accusations without any supporting facts?

I'm waiting for evidence

 

[Autodidact]

Seems like atheists form groups not churches. Since they have an agenda, like church, we'll call it church.

You can call a tail a leg, but that doesn't make it one.

 

[Autodidact]

Presuppositions influence interpretation.

And what are the presuppositions of science, Danmac?

 

[Gunfingers]

Forget the monkeybone trail. When you can demonstrate macroevolution in a lab setting come and see me and I will bow to Australopithecus. Until then don't give me the,"I need 10 billion years to demonstrate it mumbo jumbo."

Done

 

[tumbleweed41]

I'm waiting for evidence

Hey, you're the one who made the accusation.

Guess we can chalk this one up to dishonesty on your part.

 

[McBell]

Do you often make such baseless accusations without any supporting facts?

You're kidding right?
I mean, my god, just read this thread and you will know he does.

Actually, damn near every single thing he claims on the topic of evolution is nothing more than a baseless accusation.

 

[Danmac]

Done

Despite the superficial similarities between human and ape chromosomes, there are important differences on the molecular level. There are many protein coding genes in humans that are distinctly human and are not found in chimps. Perhaps more significantly are the differences in genes that don't code for proteins. Genes have been described which code for microRNA (miRNA). The miRNA molecule is not translated, but acts directly to control gene expression. A single miRNA can regulate the expression of dozens or even hundreds of genes. A study of miRNAs expressed in the brain found 51 of 447 new miRNAs were distinctly human and 25 were only found in the chimp.http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v3/n1/tale-of-two-chromosomes#fnList_1_12 The idea that so many genes were altered so that they are expressed in the proper concentration according to cell type and can effectively control the many different genes they regulate is not what we would expect of chance processes.http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v3/n1/tale-of-two-chromosomes#fnList_1_13

A Tale of Two Chromosomes - Answers in Genesis

 

[Danmac]

You can call a tail a leg, but that doesn't make it one.

We wont call it a church then, we'll call it a club. But then again clubs have agendas, like churches.

 

[Danmac]

Really? so, why do they get tax brakes? Are you saying that they're undeserving of tax brakes?

Churches are non profit organizations that get the same tax breaks that any non profit org enjoys. I don't see how that is the IRS showing the church favoritism.

 

[Gunfingers]

Despite the superficial similarities between human and ape chromosomes, there are important differences on the molecular level. There are many protein coding genes in humans that are distinctly human and are not found in chimps. Perhaps more significantly are the differences in genes that don't code for proteins. Genes have been described which code for microRNA (miRNA). The miRNA molecule is not translated, but acts directly to control gene expression. A single miRNA can regulate the expression of dozens or even hundreds of genes. A study of miRNAs expressed in the brain found 51 of 447 new miRNAs were distinctly human and 25 were only found in the chimp.http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v3/n1/tale-of-two-chromosomes#fnList_1_12 The idea that so many genes were altered so that they are expressed in the proper concentration according to cell type and can effectively control the many different genes they regulate is not what we would expect of chance processes.http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v3/n1/tale-of-two-chromosomes#fnList_1_13

A Tale of Two Chromosomes - Answers in Genesis

What does any of that actually mean? Because all i'm seeing is "human and chimp DNA is not identical" which, honestly, i could've told you that. Where's Painted Wolf when you need her?

Can you by any chance find an article on this that isn't a propaganda site? One that doesn't say "Yeah, but you didn't see it happen, man"?

 

[Danmac]

I never said that you need a support group to be an atheist. But it's there if you do need it, and I wouldn't call it a support group, it's just an organization of like minded individuals. They most often don't just talk about religion or atheism. Most atheists that I know came to their atheist position from questioning their beliefs. So, I don't see questioning as a bad thing at all. Unless your beliefs are so unfounded that the mere thought of questioning would damage them.

There is a movement in the U.S. to rid our culture of any hint of Christianity, and it is spearheaded by groups such as the ACLU, atheist alliance international, freedom from religion foundation, American humanist association,Americans united for separation of church and state, council for secular humanism, American atheist, etc. I think atheists have an agenada. You may not be a part of it, but one does exist.

 

[Danmac]

What does any of that actually mean? Because all i'm seeing is "human and chimp DNA is not identical" which, honestly, i could've told you that. Where's Painted Wolf when you need her?

Can you by any chance find an article on this that isn't a propaganda site? One that doesn't say "Yeah, but you didn't see it happen, man"?

You call it a propaganda site because it disagrees with your position.

 

[Gunfingers]

You call it a propaganda site because it disagrees with your position.

I call it propaganda because it says right here in its mission statement that it exists to support a specific presupposition. And that's not even going into the Statement of Faith.

 

[McBell]

you call it a propaganda site because it disagrees with your position.

i call it propaganda because it says right here in its mission statement that it exists to support a specific presupposition. And that's not even going into the statement of faith.

owned!

 

[Tristesse]

There is a movement in the U.S. to rid our culture of any hint of Christianity, and it is spearheaded by groups such as the ACLU, atheist alliance international, freedom from religion foundation, American humanist association,Americans united for separation of church and state, council for secular humanism, American atheist, etc. I think atheists have an agenada. You may not be a part of it, but one does exist.

And I'm against ridding our country of any hint of christianity, but I don't see what that has to do with atheism. I am however all for separation of church and state, but that has nothing to do with ridding the u.s. of christianity. One of the big reasons for separation of church and state is to protect religions from each other. To protect showing favoritism to one religion over another, and the best way to do that is keep religion out of government. There is no reason for it to be in government. Not to mention that the U.S. was founded as a secular nation.