Evolution and Creationism both have equal value and scientific evidence to support them.

[Danmac]

Whereas Christian nations burn people they suspect as being witches.

Religious fanatics killed Jesus. Burning witches goes against New Testament instruction to gentile churches.

The laws I mentioned can be found in the Bible.

Are you in favor of progressivism?

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It seems equally silly that you deny that Jesus existed when there is much evidence that suggests that he did.

Such as...?

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Conversions and spiritual birthing are two different things.

In what way?

Heaven and hell are 18 inches apart.

I repeat: I never said it was a hoax. It was an idea, a philosophy, an idea with which people can live their lives. People die for those all the time, every day.

Atheists tend to deny more than just the existence of God. They deny whatever they disagree with. Just say it didn't happen and poof.

Also, can you provide any historical evidence of the apostle's death?

The Deaths of the 12 Apostles

And my perspective is more informed and therefore more likely correct; especially since you outright deny basic facts.

I must deny skewed facts.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Religious fanatics killed Jesus. Burning witches goes against New Testament instruction to gentile churches.

That didn't stop people from using the Bible to justify it - just as people of other faiths use their books to justify beheadings, etc.

Are you in favor of progressivism?

Yes, and that's why I disregard the Bible completely.

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Heaven and hell are 18 inches apart.

You've not answered my question. How do you tell the difference between a "spiritual birthing" and a conversion? What is the difference between someone being converted into your religion and someone being converted into any other religion and, considering this, why does conversion into your religion validate it?

Atheists tend to deny more than just the existence of God. They deny whatever they disagree with. Just say it didn't happen and poof.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with that what I said.

And I think it goes without saying that people "deny whatever they disagree with". The issue is not whether they disagree with it, but whether or not they have a valid reason or reasons to disagree with it. For example, I have no valid reasons to conclude that Jesus or God exist or ever existed, and nobody who disagrees has ever presented sufficient evidence to the contrary. This is a perfectly acceptable reason to come to that position.

The Deaths of the 12 Apostles

I asked for historical evidence, not a timeline.

I must deny skewed facts.

Like birth certificates, photographs and writings? Yet you believe the words of a book written over two-thousand years ago which has been edited and changed hundreds of times.

You believe a lot of skewed facts.

 

[tumbleweed41]

My grass was covered by snow for a couple of months this past winter. The absence of sunlight didn't stop it from growing this spring.

Isn't nature a wonderful thing. That the grass survived on the energy it stored from previous sunlight.
(Botany 101)

 

[tumbleweed41]

And yet, as the OP asks for, we have yet to see the evidence for Creationism that is equally as valid as the overwhelming empirical evidence supporting the Theory of Evolution.

Whether or no Jesus existed, or if Biblical dietary laws should be followed is completely irrelevant.

:sleep:

 

[DeitySlayer]

Um...yeah, just one small problem with the evidence for Creationism...there is none.

Example of vestigial reflex: goosebump reflex (specifically in response to fear)

See something scary, goosebumps, hairs rise. In animals, this raises their fur, makes them appear larger and thus scares off the predator. In humans, our hair is too fine for this effect. The reflex is superflous, redundant, uneeded.

Creationism/Intelligent Design requires that God, being perfection, designed us to perfection. He may have inserted qualities like 'death' after the Fall, but he would not have inserted such a useless and vestigial feature.

Explain that one.

DS

 

[nonbeliever_92]

Atheists tend to deny more than just the existence of God. They deny whatever they disagree with. Just say it didn't happen and poof.

Bit of a non-sequitor, but isn't this relative to all people, including theists?

 

[Autodidact]

My grass was covered by snow for a couple of months this past winter. The absence of sunlight didn't stop it from growing this spring.

Really? You have total darkness, no sunlight at all, and your grass grows?

 

[Autodidact]

Are you agreeing that he actually existed?

Well, to me not appearing is consistent with not existing.

 

[Autodidact]

Hold onto your seat. It is about to get very ugly before his return.

Luke 21: 25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
26 "men's hearts failing them for fear of the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken.
27 "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 "Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

Yeah, be sure to let me know if any of these things ever happens, because people have been predicting them for a long, long time--since Jesus himself.

 

[Autodidact]

Religious fanatics killed Jesus. Burning witches goes against New Testament instruction to gentile churches.


Are you in favor of progressivism?


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Heaven and hell are 18 inches apart.



Atheists tend to deny more than just the existence of God. They deny whatever they disagree with. Just say it didn't happen and poof.



The Deaths of the 12 Apostles



I must deny skewed facts.

Start a thread, start a thread, start a thread. Also, start a thread.
Do you have ADHD? Do you have anything at all to say about creationism and evolution?

 

[DeitySlayer]

Danmac, you do know that the apostles predicted Jesus to return within 200 years? And then later Christians quietly shoved it under the carpet....

 

[McBell]

Bit of a non-sequitor, but isn't this relative to all people, including theists?

As a matter of fact, yes it does.

See, something that Danmac is overlooking is that he is also an atheist when it comes to all gods other than his chosen one.

Which is rather comical when you think about it.
It means that every single thing he says about atheists, ALSO applies to him in regards of all the gods he does not believe in.

Bit hypocritical if you ask me.

 

[Danmac]

Start a thread, start a thread, start a thread. Also, start a thread.
Do you have ADHD? Do you have anything at all to say about creationism and evolution?

I was answering questions. I did not pose the questions. Talk to the person asking them. :bow:

 

[Danmac]

As a matter of fact, yes it does.

See, something that Danmac is overlooking is that he is also an atheist when it comes to all gods other than his chosen one.

Which is rather comical when you think about it.
It means that every single thing he says about atheists, ALSO applies to him in regards of all the gods he does not believe in.

Bit hypocritical if you ask me.

I believe all false gods are the brainchildren of the arch nemesis of the true God. They may be fictional in one sense, but they serve their purpose.

 

[Danmac]

Danmac, you do know that the apostles predicted Jesus to return within 200 years? And then later Christians quietly shoved it under the carpet....

Can you show me that in the Bible?

 

[painted wolf]

Can you show me that in the Bible?

Why? Haven't you actually read it?

Mark 13:30 (New King James Version)

30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.


Matthew 10:23

23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Matthew 16:28

28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Matthew 24:34

34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Luke 21:32 (New King James Version)

32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.


1 Corinthians 7:29-31 (New King James Version)

29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none, 30 those who weep as though they did not weep, those who rejoice as though they did not rejoice, those who buy as though they did not possess, 31 and those who use this world as not misusing it. For the form of this world is passing away.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (New King James Version)

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[a]
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

all passages from : BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages.

wa:do

 

[Autodidact]

I know I'm gonna regret this, but here goes. I accept the scientific method............................ I don't care for the way some data is interpreted that's all.

O.K. And you know that Biology, like all the sciences, uses the scientific method exclusively, right?

Before you start slandering hardworking Biologists, if you're going to accuse them of not using the scientific method, you better be able to substantiate any such accusations, or talk to your attorney first.

 

[Wotan]

"Originally Posted by Danmac
I know I'm gonna regret this, but here goes. I accept the scientific method............................ I don't care for the way some data is interpreted that's all."

Translation: I am all for science and everything it makes possible. I just want to keep believing my mythology. But I am such a weak believer that I NEED science to confirm my faith. So when it conflicts with my mythology I reject it.

But I am a fully rational person. Really. I am.

 

[DeitySlayer]

The existence of God.

Do you know what science is?

 

[Luminous]

I believe all false gods are the brainchildren of the arch nemesis of the true God. They may be fictional in one sense, but they serve their purpose.

what is stoping your god from being false...or atleast your sense of who and what TRUTH is?