EVOLUTION, what a lie.

[Autodidact]

Hold on a second? Don't you know about the Big Bang?

Well yes, but that's cosmology. We're doing Biology.

How else would we have evolved from apes?

? I don't understand. Regardless of how the universe got here, people are a species of ape.

I'm curious.

I suggest you do some reading then.

Aren't you skipping the building blocks to ToE in that case?

Not really the building blocks. Those are other theories in other fields of science. Evolution is a very specific theory about 2 specific questions in a specific field of science. btw I think I probably explained this way back at the beginning of this thread.

 

[Magic Man]

Hold on a second? Don't you know about the Big Bang? How else would we have evolved from apes? I'm curious.

Yes, I know about the Big Bang. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, though, since there is the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution. As you can see, they are two different theories.

Aren't you skipping the building blocks to ToE in that case?

Peace be upon you.

No. The building blocks of ToE are mutations and natural selection in lifeforms. For what happend before life began, you need to see other theories, like the Big Bang theory, as you pointed out above.

 

[Jose Fly]

Looks like I need to go into basics with the A-team...

Question 2
How did the universe come into existence? … and when did you come to know?

Peace be upon you.

I don't know. From what I understand, cosmologists have a pretty good understanding of the universe from less than one second after it began, but the mechanism behind its emergence is a mystery.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE mball1297]No, you didn't. That's why it came out wrong, because you did it incorrectly. First, you didn't put "=" between the "QUOTE" and my name, and second, you used parentheses and spelled out "End quote" instead of [ /quote ]. You're obviously trying, but failing.(End quote)

Response: You can't fail at something you don't try. I quote the way I want to quote which is the correct way.

(Quote mball1297)
Wow, that was hard to understand, and not because of the quote question. I never said I couldn't understand your posts, just that you make it more difficult by doing the quotes incorrectly. It would be considerate of you to do the quotes correctly for us.(End Quote)

Response: No it wouldn't. Just learn how to read. Surely there's an elementary school around there for you.

(Quote mball1297)
So, basically, you can't listen. And somehow that's my fault. Sorry, that's your fault. You should have paid attention in elementary school. Your inability to listen is no fault of mine. Words do magically become clearer when you put brackets around the correct words. That's why it's done that way, to make it clearer.(End quote)

Response: Oh, o.k. So not only can you not read, but you believe in magical brackets. Thanks for the confirmation.

(Quote mball1297)

Regardless, pulling up what you think to be a mistake (and even if it was a mistake, it was a tiny one) from 50+ pages ago doesn't help your cause very much. The simple fact is that you're doing the quote function wrong, and it makes it more difficult for those of us who have to read your replies.(End quote)

Response: But it's not wrong, it's just right.

Btw...

(End quote)

 

[Ghostaka]

Yes, I know about the Big Bang. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, though, since there is the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution. As you can see, they are two different theories.

It has to do with everything I am referring to right now. Do you consider the Big Bang Theory (BBT) to be true? And even if you didn't, it has been put at the same level as the ToE by your very self. Are you rejecting one theory but supporting the other?

No. The building blocks of ToE are mutations and natural selection in lifeforms. For what happend before life began, you need to see other theories, like the Big Bang theory, as you pointed out above.

And what have I been saying? Living conditions had to develop first right? So you'd go to the BBT in order to support ToE because it cannot stand without the latter.

Peace be upon you.

______________________________

(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
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[Ghostaka]

I suggest you do some reading...

What questions?

Refer to post 2281.

Well yes, but that's cosmology. We're doing Biology. ? I don't understand. Regardless of how the universe got here, people are a species of ape.

Not really the building blocks. Those are other theories in other fields of science. Evolution is a very specific theory about 2 specific questions in a specific field of science. btw I think I probably explained this way back at the beginning of this thread.

Refer to post 2325.

 

[Jose Fly]

Living conditions had to develop first right? So you'd go to the BBT in order to support ToE because it cannot stand without the latter.

No. Evolution is compatible with just about any origin of the universe scenario. Whether the universe came about via a big bang, magic poofing by a god, a glitch in interdimensional space, or some other means, as long as life exists and reproduces itself with variation, evolution will happen.

 

[Autodidact]

It has to do with everything I am referring to right now. Do you consider the Big Bang Theory (BBT) to be true?

I'm not sure; I don't know enough about it. I find that kind of stuff very hard to understand.

And even if you didn't, it has been put at the same level as the ToE by your very self.

I think that ToE is much more widely accepted among Biologists than Big Bang is among cosmologists.

Are you rejecting one theory but supporting the other?

No. I'm nuetral on one, and accept the other.

And what have I been saying? Living conditions had to develop first right? So you'd go to the BBT in order to support ToE because it cannot stand without the latter.

No, you're mistaken. It doesn't make any difference how the conditions on earth got to be here, as long as they were here and permitted ToE to transpire. If Big Bang is all wrong, ToE can still be all right.

Is there some reason you don't want to discuss ToE, the supposed subject of this thread?

 

[Autodidact]

I suggest you do some reading...

In what?

Refer to post 2281.

I answered you. I said, "I don't know."

Refer to post 2325.

Why? What are you talking about? If you want to discuss the Big Bang Theory, you may want to start a thread. This one is about another theory, ToE.

What you're saying is like saying that if you don't accept quantum mechanics, you can't talk about chemistry.

 

[Ghostaka]

I'm not sure; I don't know enough about it. I find that kind of stuff very hard to understand.

How hard is it to understand:

Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

{The Holy Qur'an Chapter 21 (The Prophets): Verse 30}

N.B. 1400+ years ago... Something that cosmologists only discovered recently.

Peace be upon you.

 

[Autodidact]

How hard is it to understand:

Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

{The Holy Qur'an Chapter 21 (The Prophets): Verse 30}

N.B. 1400+ years ago... Something that cosmologists only discovered recently.

Peace be upon you.

Ghostaka:

You are still confusing a specific scientific theory, ToE, with either atheism, or science, or maybe philosophical naturalism. Those are all very interesting debates, but each deserves at least a thread, and none of them are what we're talking about here, ToE.

You owe me $1 for making me explain yet again that ToE is not atheism, and atheism is not ToE.

Frankly, after a few hundred pages, I don't have the energy to explain yet again what ToE is. (Although painted wolf might; she's a sweetie.) How about this idea: you go on your own, use Google, use your library, and learn from Biologists what ToE actually says. When you've done that, then we'll debate whether it's true or not. Fair?

 

[kai]

how hard is it to understand:

do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

{the holy qur'an chapter 21 (the prophets): Verse 30}

n.b. 1400+ years ago... Something that cosmologists only discovered recently.

Peace be upon you.

ooohhhh nooooooooo!

 

[Ghostaka]

Ghostaka:

You are still confusing a specific scientific theory, ToE, with either atheism, or science, or maybe philosophical naturalism. Those are all very interesting debates, but each deserves at least a thread, and none of them are what we're talking about here, ToE.

You owe me $1 for making me explain yet again that ToE is not atheism, and atheism is not ToE.

Frankly, after a few hundred pages, I don't have the energy to explain yet again what ToE is. (Although painted wolf might; she's a sweetie.) How about this idea: you go on your own, use Google, use your library, and learn from Biologists what ToE actually says. When you've done that, then we'll debate whether it's true or not. Fair?

You own me $1.99 for being impatient. You'll see what I'm getting at soon enough. I've got to log off :. "ttyl".

Peace be upon you.

______________________________

(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=1614839​

 

[Ghostaka]

ooohhhh nooooooooo!

So Muhammad (PBUH) "forged" the Qur'an ay?

Peace be upon you.

 

[slave2six]

You own me $1.99 for being impatient.

Autodictate bought you for $1.99? Good job Auto-D!

 

[slave2six]

So Muhammad (PBUH) "forged" the Qur'an ay?

Peace be upon you.

Yeah. And he hurled a black meteorite to Earth as a sign of his divine strength.

Chaos be upon you.

 

[kai]

So Muhammad (PBUH) "forged" the Qur'an ay?

Peace be upon you.

what?

 

[kai]

So Muhammad (PBUH) "forged" the Qur'an ay?

Peace be upon you.

i have answered here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/82775-challenge-quran-22.html

 

[Autodidact]

Out of compassion, I think we should excuse Fatiha's inability to use the quote function. It seems to me that he has tried and cannot master it, but is too proud to just say so. So, to spare him further embarrassment, let's just put up with the inconvenience.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's pretty sad how the following as to constantly be repeated: Abiogenesis and The Big Bang are separate theories from evolution, and the concept of god and the ToE are not mutually exclusive.