EVOLUTION, what a lie.

[Gharib]

Hi esalam

please tell us what you think about evolution and natural selection and why you cannot be a muslim if you accept this.

evolution is a false beleif. it all started with darwin. he saw some different types of birds and whala the whole thing started of from there. how can someone just look at different species of birds and their beacks and say that it has to do with naatural selection, the birds with big beacks survive while the small beacked birds don't. lets try that here ok. we've got the white american pelican and we've got a sparrow. how is that possible. the pelican won't allow a bird stick to get in its way, it has a bigger mouth, thus it will eat a lot more food than the sparrow. but, this is the important bit, the sparrow does not need to eat as much as the pelican because it's body is smaller, so it will get fed up by just a few mouth fulls. so this has to do nothing with animals evolving. heres another example. the lions are stronger than anyother animal, so the can take the food or a cheetah anytime they want. so know just because the cheetah is less stronger, it doesn't mean that they are evolving into lions, they are simply dying, and the lions are growing because they do not die searching for food. thats not natural selection, it's simply a way of life. if it is natural selection (i am sue you are going to say that) then which stronger animal is eating the tiggers' food. they too are dying out, it's not natural selection. pretty soon a lot of species will die out, so what. we can't argue with god.

the reason why i cannot be a muslim if i believe in evolution is because evolution tells people that they were created by chance. while Allah says "i created you from a drop of water" so if believe in evolution then i do not believe in Allah, and if i believe in Allah i cannot believe in evolution. evolution is specifically created to take people astray, all evolutionists are atheists, they do not beleive in god, this was an opportunity for them to not believe in god, by simply saying we have proof that chance created us, so still something created us, but they do not accept it.

i hope thats some how relevant to what you were looking for.

 

[Gharib]

God is the living mind in which all exists. God is today as he was yesterday and will be into all eternity,

did you get e revelation for this? or did it come to mind by chance :ignore:, one or the other.

He is the only constant in that he is constanty growing or evolving,

which holy scripture speak of this, the torah, the bible or the quran. never seen it there before.

Only a mind that has ceased to live, can cease to evolve.

well see you are wrong. a dead persons mind ceases to evolve the very second that the soul gets out, but interestingly the hair (such as beard, hair on the head) continues to grow for quite some time after the deseased has been burried.

The Cosmos is the mind that is God as seen throughout all time. Looking back through time at the light that has taken billions of years to reach our position in space-time, we see the height that the mind that is God had attained to in that point in time.

i am not a filosopher, so don't expect me to understand what you've said there. sorry:sleep:

 

[Gharib]

Nope, not offended at all. Some might prefer a softer phrasing such as Evolution is Incorrect but it means the same thing.

I'm more interested in why you think Islam and Evolution can't coexist. I know Muslims who are fine with it so I think it may more of a Fundamentalist thing than an Islamic thing, same as it is with Christianity.

christianity and islam believe that god created us, we weren't formed by chance. nothing is formed by chance. i do not see how most people that i have met around in RF beleive that everything was created from chance. chance is nothing, it's a probability, now god, thats something. god has powers. chance has no powers. evolution starts of with chance and finishes with natural selection. believing in evolution is way more complicated than believing in god.

 

[Gharib]

Evolution has an unsurmountable mountain of evidence to support it and it actually makes sense, two things which cannot be said for Islam. So the rational, honest mind is left with no choice but to reject Islam and accept evolution.

oh i wonder which parts make sense. let me list a few:

1 bears became whales.

2 dinosaurs became birds because they were waving their arms around to kill flies.

3 chimps have 48 cromosomes and humas have 46, they must be related, just look at how close they are. here's the funny thing. humans have 46 cromosomes, potatoes have 46 cromosome. now why are humans related to monkeys and not to potatoes.

up to here none of these make sense. do you have any examples that actually do make sense. please list them.

 

[Gharib]

This thread does not disappoint. Give up and face the facts. You have no idea what evolution really is, and you're too blinded by your slavery to even admit that.

why should i give up. i'm just warming up. be patient. lets see how far we can take it. i'm surprised you didn't ask a question. considering that i do not know anything about evolution and you do. give us something smart.

 

[Gharib]

Maybe evolution hasn't caught up with everyone yet.

:sad4:

 

[Alceste]

Ooh! It's my favourite show!

 

[Father Heathen]

oh i wonder which parts make sense. let me list a few:

1 bears became whales.

2 dinosaurs became birds because they were waving their arms around to kill flies.

3 chimps have 48 cromosomes and humas have 46, they must be related, just look at how close they are. here's the funny thing. humans have 46 cromosomes, potatoes have 46 cromosome. now why are humans related to monkeys and not to potatoes.

up to here none of these make sense. do you have any examples that actually do make sense. please list them.

But none of that is even evolution, either. If you don't even know what evolution is or how it works, what business do you have trying to denounce it? Do they not have schools in your country?

 

[Gharib]

I wonder if Eselam will provide some specific examples of problems with evolution?

sure heres one for you: Species Living in the Same Age as Their Ancestors

a gradual evolution from ape to man should have taken place and the fossil record of this should have been found. However, there is a huge gap between apes and humans.

another significant finding proving that there can be no family tree among these different species is that the species that are presented as ancestors of each other in fact lived concurently.

according to estimates of evolutionists, Australopithencies lived from 4 million years ago to 1 million. homo habilis lived 1.7 - 1.9 million years ago. homo rudolfensis which are classied as more advanced that homo habilis lived 2.5 - 2.8 million years ago. so by those numbers Homo Rudolfensis are 1 million years older than Homo Habilis. thus the the ancestors of Homo Rudolfensis lived after the Homo Rudolfensis, thats like saying you are older than your grandfather but he just lived before you.

is that satisfying Darkendless.

 

[Gharib]

But none of that is even evolution, either. If you don't even know what evolution is or how it works, what business do you have trying to denounce it? Do they not have schools in your country?

what do you mean thats not evolution, evolution meas something gradually evolving to something else. do you even have any knowledge of evolution, how can you say those 3 exapmles are not evolution.

i don't think we can go any further if you say that i'm not speaking of evolution. ask anyone on RF who has some knowledge about it and they'll tell you. evolution scientists believe in the 3 examples that i gave before. i'm not making them up. i don't want to be a liar.

 

[McBell]

sure heres one for you: Species Living in the Same Age as Their Ancestors

a gradual evolution from ape to man should have taken place and the fossil record of this should have been found. However, there is a huge gap between apes and humans.

another significant finding proving that there can be no family tree among these different species is that the species that are presented as ancestors of each other in fact lived concurently.

according to estimates of evolutionists, Australopithencies lived from 4 million years ago to 1 million. homo habilis lived 1.7 - 1.9 million years ago. homo rudolfensis which are classied as more advanced that homo habilis lived 2.5 - 2.8 million years ago. so by those numbers Homo Rudolfensis are 1 million years older than Homo Habilis. thus the the ancestors of Homo Rudolfensis lived after the Homo Rudolfensis, thats like saying you are older than your grandfather but he just lived before you.

is that satisfying Darkendless.

Wow.
i have never seen anyone on this here forum so proud of their ignorance.

I must nominate you for that award....

 

[McBell]

i don't want to be a liar.

Is this why you refuse to learn any thing about the theory of evolution?
You seek plausible deniability?

 

[Father Heathen]

what do you mean thats not evolution, evolution meas something gradually evolving to something else. do you even have any knowledge of evolution, how can you say those 3 exapmles are not evolution.

Because those 3 "examples" were childish exaggerations and ridicilous straw men, as that's not how evolution works.

 

[Gharib]

Wow.
i have never seen anyone on this here forum so proud of their ignorance.

I must nominate you for that award....

so know i'm going to be called ignorant for providing evidence. i'm not ignorant, it is you who have clear evidence but cannot accept it.
thank you for the nomination, at least i'll win something.

 

[Gharib]

Because those 3 "examples" were childish exaggerations and ridicilous straw men, as that's not how evolution works.

well i can't explain every detail, i'm not an evolutionist, nor a scientist. i just made the point. DO YOU GET IT

 

[McBell]

so know i'm going to be called ignorant for providing evidence. i'm not ignorant, it is you who have clear evidence but cannot accept it.
thank you for the nomination, at least i'll win something.

You have not provided anything but your ignorance.

Hell, it looks like I gave you WAY to much credit when I predicted you would copy/paste.

But enough is enough.
AS fulfilling as it may be, taking cheap shots at someone to ignorant to understand them is just not a very nice thing to do.

 

[Gharib]

Is this why you refuse to learn any thing about the theory of evolution?

i have learned lots, but it isn't usefull. it's wasted material using up my memorie.

You seek plausible deniability

in which post did you notice that. you seek deniability too. accept that god created everything and not chance or probability or natural selection. you won't so too bad for you and too bad for me

 

[Gharib]

You have not provided anything but your ignorance.

Hell, it looks like I gave you WAY to much credit when I predicted you would copy/paste.

But enough is enough.
AS fulfilling as it may be, taking cheap shots at someone to ignorant to understand them is just not a very nice thing to do.

look this is about "evolution", if you want to speak about your ignorance then open a new thread, i can tell you from now that you will bet me, you are more ignorant than me.:bow:

 

[McBell]

look this is about "evolution", if you want to speak about your ignorance then open a new thread, i can tell you from now that you will bet me, you are more ignorant than me.:bow:

Yes, this thread is about evolution.
So far you have not had a single post about evolution.

Seems that you should take your own advice and start a new thread.
cause remember, this thread is about evolution.

 

[Father Heathen]

well i can't explain every detail, i'm not an evolutionist, nor a scientist. i just made the point. DO YOU GET IT

You don't have to be a "evolutionist" (which is a nonsensical word. Do we call those who accept the reality of gravity "gravitationist"? No, we don't.) or a scientist to understand the basics of evolution. If you don't understand it then you need to stop trying to debate it and do more research.