EVOLUTION, what a lie.

[McBell]

You don't have to be a "evolutionist" (which is a nonsensical word. Do we call those who accept the reality of gravity "gravitationist"? No, we don't.) or a scientist to understand the basics of evolution. If you don't understand it then you need to stop trying to debate it and do more research.

This is supposed to be a debate?

 

[Gharib]

You don't have to be a "evolutionist" (which is a nonsensical word. Do we call those who accept the reality of gravity "gravitationist"? No, we don't.) or a scientist to understand the basics of evolution. If you don't understand it then you need to stop trying to debate it and do more research.

ok friend what is your question, i'll answer you. in full detail.

 

[Father Heathen]

This is supposed to be a debate?

Well, I guess it's more of a misrepresent-something-I-don't-understand-because-it-conflicts-with-my-superstitious-religious-beliefs thread.

 

[McBell]

Well, I guess it's more of a misrepresent-something-I-don't-understand-because-it-conflicts-with-my-superstitious-religious-beliefs thread.

I suspect that you give to much credit to the TS.

 

[kai]

Oh esalam you are so so wrong, i am afraid my friend you have listened too long to falsehoods most of the examples of evolution you have posted are pure fiction and i must ask you to go away and do some research because my friend you are making yourself seem foolish, when i know you are not.

try these links as an appetizer i hope they will ignite a spark of interest within you and you will gain some knowledge.

“Whoever follows a path in the pursuit of knowledge, Allah (SWT) will make a path​

to Paradise easy for him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, Kitaab al-‘Ilm, 10)


Natural selection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[GabrielWithoutWings]

evolution is a false beleif. it all started with darwin.

Started with Darwin?

You might want to read up on Ibn Miskawayh, among others.

 

[Gharib]

ok it seems what ever argument/fact i bring up that is against evolution none of you guys will agree with me because you all beleive in evolution. so instead of one person bringing out arguments to about 20 others why don't you guys bring me the facts that support evolution and we can discuss them. does that sound fair. i think so.

so first of all what is chance.

can anyone explain this to me because it seems that "i have no knowledge" of "evolution" according to all you who do.

 

[LongGe123]

well first of all you won't have to worry about it, as opposed to what you are doing know.



just as flapping our arms to kill the flies because they are over-populating, we could somehow develop wings right. from the flapping.

look evolution speaks about changes that are out of this world. ok say you mentioned the environment and i'll say global warming. were are ok up to here right. you are farmiliar with the ice age, so what difference did those people have from us. nothing, they addapted to the environment by keeping warm, defiying the environment. so today if it gets hot we can just as easily go against it and turn our air conditions on. this is easy there is no problem to this, but changing your insides (guts) to fit the wet environment (the oceans) now thats impossible. do you sort of see the difference that evolution has come up when it comes to adaptation. it is not being realisitc, so that more people are left to wonder like it is something beyound our capability.



well yes there can, thats because we have't discovered them yet. for all the deseises in the world there are cures. but we haven't found them yet, it doesn't mean that aspirin will evolve into a cure for lucemia. it is still aspirin.



well i do not worry about it. thats a releive for me.

you are using the oh so common ill-conceived pro creation view of evolution - you seem to think that life evolved through choice. NO ONE claims that things chose to evolve to changing conditions around them - the theory states that RANDOM changes would sometimes improve a species making it more suited to its surroundings, therefore it would survive and others would die - the creatures with those good features would breed and make more like that, they would thrive and multiply - but we're talking about changes on a scale of millions upon millions of years! do you have any conception of how long that is?! very.

i'm not a scientist, but i can still grasp that the concept of evolution, and I feel it is a highly logical explanation. for instance, say there are two kinds of rabbit right, a white one and a brown one - and they live in a place called Fantasia - Fantasia was once green and temperate, and the brown rabbits thrived and multiplied like....rabbits. hehe, then one day a freak rabbit was born with all white fur. the population of this white rabbit grew, but it was always in more danger than its brown brethren since it could be spotted so easily by predators - then over several years, Fantasia turned into a snowy area, and the ground was white most of the year round - at this time the white rabbit, previously a genetic freak, instantly gained superiority in the battle for survival, and it became the dominant species in numbers.

you see how a RANDOM change like that can affect what life lingers on earth and what life gets wiped out? that's what evolution is all about - not some fish thinking - i'll grow legs and walk out of the water - that is such gross simplification and frankly it's just childish. there's way more evidence for evolution than creation, and it makes far much more sense.

i never understood why we tell kids about how all the make believe stuff in the world is all nonsense and we all have to grow out of it some day, but then also turn to them and say a big magic man in the sky made everything you see around us, only 6000 years ago, and adam and eve lived in the garden of eden when the serpent talked to eve and blah blah - that is told to be gospel truth! it's such hypocrisy.

evolution is not perfect, that's why we still refer to it as the THEORY - but in my opinion it is so far the most logical explanation for how life on earth developed. evolution doesn't answer the question of whether or not there is a god, but I do believe it answers the question to how we came to be as we are, and perhaps what we might become in the future!

 

[Gharib]

you are using the oh so common ill-conceived pro creation view of evolution - you seem to think that life evolved through choice. NO ONE claims that things chose to evolve to changing conditions around them - the theory states that RANDOM changes would sometimes improve a species making it more suited to its surroundings, therefore it would survive and others would die - the creatures with those good features would breed and make more like that, they would thrive and multiply - but we're talking about changes on a scale of millions upon millions of years! do you have any conception of how long that is?! very.

i'm not a scientist, but i can still grasp that the concept of evolution, and I feel it is a highly logical explanation. for instance, say there are two kinds of rabbit right, a white one and a brown one - and they live in a place called Fantasia - Fantasia was once green and temperate, and the brown rabbits thrived and multiplied like....rabbits. hehe, then one day a freak rabbit was born with all white fur. the population of this white rabbit grew, but it was always in more danger than its brown brethren since it could be spotted so easily by predators - then over several years, Fantasia turned into a snowy area, and the ground was white most of the year round - at this time the white rabbit, previously a genetic freak, instantly gained superiority in the battle for survival, and it became the dominant species in numbers.

you see how a RANDOM change like that can affect what life lingers on earth and what life gets wiped out? that's what evolution is all about - not some fish thinking - i'll grow legs and walk out of the water - that is such gross simplification and frankly it's just childish. there's way more evidence for evolution than creation, and it makes far much more sense.

i never understood why we tell kids about how all the make believe stuff in the world is all nonsense and we all have to grow out of it some day, but then also turn to them and say a big magic man in the sky made everything you see around us, only 6000 years ago, and adam and eve lived in the garden of eden when the serpent talked to eve and blah blah - that is told to be gospel truth! it's such hypocrisy.

evolution is not perfect, that's why we still refer to it as the THEORY - but in my opinion it is so far the most logical explanation for how life on earth developed. evolution doesn't answer the question of whether or not there is a god, but I do believe it answers the question to how we came to be as we are, and perhaps what we might become in the future!

ok i'm with you up to here. i have come across this sort of thing before. the thing with the rabbits is quite a normal and natural thing. it is not natural selection.nature has no brian, i'm going overboared here, so it cannot think, it is god who changes the environment and it is only he who decides which species will survive and which wont.

which of these examples sounds more logical than the other to you, please tell me:

1 a living being coming to being by chance, out of nothing. nothing can come to existence if it has no one to create it from something or even nothing.

2 a living being coming to existence through creation, from something. god is the most perfect and most powerfull designer in the world. he created everything from nothing, he has no begining no end.

 

[S-word]

did you get e revelation for this? or did it come to mind by chance :ignore:, one or the other.



which holy scripture speak of this, the torah, the bible or the quran. never seen it there before.



well see you are wrong. a dead persons mind ceases to evolve the very second that the soul gets out, but interestingly the hair (such as beard, hair on the head) continues to grow for quite some time after the deseased has been burried.



i am not a filosopher, so don't expect me to understand what you've said there. sorry:sleep:

You're not much of a speller either.

 

[Gharib]

You're not much of a speller either.

i know i suck, i just haven't used some words and considering that english is my third language i do froget some words from time to time.

 

[Troublemane]

1 a living being coming to being by chance, out of nothing. nothing can come to existence if it has no one to create it from something or even nothing.

2 a living being coming to existence through creation, from something. god is the most perfect and most powerfull designer in the world. he created everything from nothing, he has no begining no end.

What if nature (or God) doesnt do things with a plan in mind? What if (like us) it/he/she just experiments, without having a definite end in mind? That would explain why the world is so imperfect! I mean, hey, if God really did create the world exactly as it is for a specific purpose, clearly he's got issues... :angel2:

 

[darkendless]

ok it seems what ever argument/fact i bring up that is against evolution none of you guys will agree with me because you all beleive in evolution. so instead of one person bringing out arguments to about 20 others why don't you guys bring me the facts that support evolution and we can discuss them. does that sound fair. i think so.

so first of all what is chance.

can anyone explain this to me because it seems that "i have no knowledge" of "evolution" according to all you who do.

Soil takes approximately 9000 years (6000-9000 generally) to develop enough organic matter to create six inches of topsoil. Topsoil is generally but not 100% composed of dead matter such as little organisms we dont see.
Now by my estimates, in order to create a substratum, (large rock formations with very little minerals or organic matter) known as a C horizon. Then there is the D horizon, if you had any grasp on the concept of soil build up, formation and degredation you'd come to the conclusion that it can take 100's of million of year for parent material and bedrock to form.
Soil testing at Tweed Heads, 50mins drive south of me found the peninsula to be 380 million years old.

Now please refute my claims (this should be interesting):angel2:

 

[England my lionheart]

this thread is a continuation from another one (russia will be a muslim country), we are getting off the topic there so tada. who wants to go first?

i hope we all learn something (evolution is not real, what a releife :beach.

Necessity is the Mother of evolution,well maybe,there is lots of evidence for evolution so which part don't you believe

 

[S-word]

Necessity is the Mother of evolution,well maybe,there is lots of evidence for evolution so which part don't you believe

Necessity Might be the mother of evolution, but it's also the father of a lot of half breeds, which I suppose could lead to the evolution of the species.

 

[Gharib]

What if nature (or God) doesnt do things with a plan in mind?

first of all do not, i repeat do not compare god to nature. we ok up to here. god needs no plans, nor any scetches. he knows the future and the past. so to say that god stops for a second and says, just how am i going to create this, god has everything planned.

What if (like us) it/he/she just experiments,

there is no need for experimentation. would you need to experiment on how to wright the letter "A" if you already knew how to do it. ofcourse you wouldn't.

without having a definite end in mind?

god has planed everything.

That would explain why the world is so imperfect. I mean, hey, if God really did create the world exactly as it is for a specific purpose, clearly he's got issues... :angel2:

just what in this world is imperfect to you. it may look imperfect but, hey, thats our fault. we are the destroyers in this world. without any humans all the animals would live in perfect harmony, thus making the world perfect. but god has no plans for the animals exept to serve us, we are his "experiment" (the one you talked about before). god has no issues.

and to just sumerise, you didn't answer my question that was related to the "quoted" post which was; which of these to statements do you see as logic for life on earth (something like that)

 

[Gharib]

Soil takes approximately 9000 years (6000-9000 generally) to develop enough organic matter to create six inches of topsoil. Topsoil is generally but not 100% composed of dead matter such as little organisms we dont see.
Now by my estimates, in order to create a substratum, (large rock formations with very little minerals or organic matter) known as a C horizon. Then there is the D horizon, if you had any grasp on the concept of soil build up, formation and degredation you'd come to the conclusion that it can take 100's of million of year for parent material and bedrock to form.
Soil testing at Tweed Heads, 50mins drive south of me found the peninsula to be 380 million years old.

Now please refute my claims (this should be interesting):angel2:

what does soil have to do with you claiming that man came into being by chance. was the soil involved in any way. i'm no giologist nor a biologist. please bring something we can discuss. i was created from soil so why don't you refute my claims. (this too should be interesting)

 

[Gharib]

Necessity is the Mother of evolution,well maybe,there is lots of evidence for evolution so which part don't you believe

yes there is a lot of "evidence" for evolution thats why i cannot accept it. the part that i do not believe is how is it possible to say that chance (wich is just a word meaning random) has created everything and god hasn't. now legs go to a bit more detail.

chance creates everything and even before the word chance came into existence it was able to create everything. so i'm surprised why the creator (in this case chance was created after the creation). after millions of years it creates a creature, or it comes into being because of chance and natural selection, so i'm just wondering the body of the creature was formed right, it decided that all the legs will face one direction (the front) so then how does chance know that it needs eyes infront and not at the back. i mean we are talking about chance. whats the probability that you with your eyes closed will be able to stick the donkeys tale in his behind. thats impossible. and yet chance managed to get everything right and so perfect as if it had a mind. now chance is a word don't forget that. anyone care to explain this.

 

[kai]

yes there is a lot of "evidence" for evolution thats why i cannot accept it. the part that i do not believe is how is it possible to say that chance (wich is just a word meaning random) has created everything and god hasn't. now legs go to a bit more detail.

chance creates everything and even before the word chance came into existence it was able to create everything. so i'm surprised why the creator (in this case chance was created after the creation). after millions of years it creates a creature, or it comes into being because of chance and natural selection, so i'm just wondering the body of the creature was formed right, it decided that all the legs will face one direction (the front) so then how does chance know that it needs eyes infront and not at the back. i mean we are talking about chance. whats the probability that you with your eyes closed will be able to stick the donkeys tale in his behind. thats impossible. and yet chance managed to get everything right and so perfect as if it had a mind. now chance is a word don't forget that. anyone care to explain this.

did you chance upon this argument or think it all up by yourself. because i havnet heard anything so funny in a long while.

 

[Gharib]

did you chance upon this argument or think it all up by yourself. because i havnet heard anything so funny in a long while.

no kai i didn't "chance upon it" i thought of it, god has given me a brain to think. i'm glad someone has something to smile about.

i'm beginig to wonder are you "evolution" beleivers really going to answer my questions or just make something up by chance and ignore it. i'm just asking for a simple debate sort of thing. is that so hard kai. please tell me.