EVOLUTION, what a lie.

[Gharib]

I'm sorry. But Islam does allow for evolution. Only certain more orthodox sects of Islam choose to deny evidence (as will be discussed later) Islamic scripture allows reading that the idea that God created the entire universe many billions of years ago, then set the processes of stellar mass, gravity, planet solidification, volconology, etc...etc.... and lastly evolution, into motion. (God just gave evolution a nudge, to get the ball rolling)

yes you are right, we are allowed to find out about the history of the earth, such as the points that you have made, god even tells us of it. god may have created the universe billions of years ago, i do not know, the scientists do. when the word evolution comes into topic, it has been raised in a very high state. as if it has a brain of it's own, we all know it doesn't, the only parts that i reffer to as evolution are the fact that man wwill somehow change very slighly to fit his environment or the surrounding. thats it. i do not beleive that one creature evolved into something else. i mean you have said it your self that god created the universe, if he had the power to create a universe and make it stand without any pillars, then why would he turn to evolution, he is powerfull and can create everything.

He is pointing out the age of the planet we all live on. Also, that by studying the soil one can see evidence of many, many, MANY creatures that have once lived on the Earth, and yet are now extinct.

well the world is coming to an end, so it is natural that creatures have become extinct. even human races have become extict, others are to follow.

Thus, if Earth and mankind were created at the same time, then why are is their clear cut evidence in the soil of plant life on Earth predating animals of ANY kind? By a matter of hundreds of millions of years. Then with the rise and fall of various dinosaurs groups over hundreds of millions of years, yet still no evidence of humans.
Then birds and small mammals appear many millions of years ago. But no apes, and definitely no humans. :no: Only in the few uppermost layers of soil do we even begin to see larger apes.
Then in the top layer of soil we see evidence of "early humans", followed later by evidence of them using tools and building homes (of various forms). ..... Continuing to better their tools, and changing body structure...... until at last old actual "human" (homo sapien) skeletons are found.

first of all ido nto know in which order god created the earth. and just because apes where there before humans(as is claimed) it proves nothing that humans evolved from apes. trees where there before apes, did the trees evolve into apes?

There can only be two conclusions.

1. Evolution is on display in the the layers of soil.

thats just history, and the layers represent the many times that the earth has been re-modeled by god (people who became so terrible that good had to destroy them and start over) would you accept the fact that our saciety (that of today) can never reach the technology era of other civilisations before us. we are nothing comapred to those civilisations, but science claims that as life progressed the brain started evolving, we are able to use it more. but there were other people who knew better than us. do you accept this or not.

2. God has a wicked sense of humor, creating a young planet with undeniable evidence of it being an incredibly old planet. Including fossils of preceding plants and animals and humanoids (with phenotypic and genetic, step by step gradual alterations). All in order to.......What?....?? ??..... Fool us? Make us beleive in evolution? Force us to beleive in evolution

he has done that so that we can acknowledge his power and that nothing is as powerfull as he. he is the master of everything. why does the term evolution come to mind everytime someone speaks of fossils and pre-human life. the term GOD needs to come to mind when those are mentioned, we simply need to acknowldege that everything is from god. simple really.

 

[Sententia]

Life on earth is much too complex for all of it to have come about by chance. Maybe God was the architect of evolution.

This argument is utter nonsense.

Life on earth is much too complex to come about by chance. No... something more complex must have invented life. Leaving of course the problem of where did this something even more complex come from and also invalidating the argument that things incredibly complex came about by chance since there is the implication that this something has always just been.

Further... Evolution is not a process of chance. This rudimentary (mis)understanding of evolution is likely to cause one to believe that its equally possible that a rock will turn into a chicken after a particularly violent rain storm.

This argument is normally used in the theist's attempt to defend adam and eve as being created as are and the only thing we see is microevoltion. IE used to defend the genesis of life. I don't find that it works very well on its own but find it even more contrived as an argument for evolution needing an architect.

 

[Sententia]

You're not much of a speller either.

And you have have issues with using the crazy "Quote" technology. When one points a finger three more are pointing where? To your point though, at first I wanted to find Brian too.

In the interest of furthering the discussion though I found this guy interesting. Perhaps you have seen it before?

islam " This is a short part of a lecture given by a scholar on comparative religions, Dr. Zakir Naik
YouTube - Atheists must watch this video Part 1
YouTube - Atheists must watch this video Part 2

 

[davis.esquire]

Darwin's suggestion from his observations did not include a theory of evolution. Evolution was introduced into Darwin's comments about 10-years or so after Darwin died.

Darwin's idea that all life is from a common origin was in reference to the basic common features of animal life forms that have been and are present in an intricately diverse number of forms. Darwin saw this as evidence of an original Creator, the common origin.

Survival of the fittest preached in universities under the guise of evolution was originally Darwin's observation that over a period of two years aboard HMS Beagle, two birds, on was the Doo Doo and I've forgotten the other's name, existed only on two islands where they had no preditors. On Darwin's fisrt landing on those islands he noticed that sailors would literally walk into the midst of of flock of these birds and stand there cranking necks of the fearless creature. Two years later on the homeward bound leg of the voyage, both defenseless species had been made extinct by the sailors. Thus, environmental change and not just sailors on the hunt, he suggested in responsible for survival of the fittest to survive the changes.

Universities argued against a creationism that was easiest to argue against and trick ignorant priests into thinking the bible agrees with what dumb priests believe the evolutionists said the bible falsely states.

Likewise, the religious groups being correctly certain that the evolutionists are wrong also promote the false theory of evolution by falling into the universities' trap of calling evolutionism Darwinism.

Observable truth shows us that by environmental changes, whether nature's changes or by man's selctive breeding, we can breed an unnatural domestic white egg with an oval shape, but it's still a chicken.

Additionally, environmentalists (Darwinists) say that less than 2% of the species of animals that have existed on earth still do. (That percentage varies dependent upon who wants to make what sound like huh?) But in any event, it sounds like evolution in reverse, AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHEN WE WIPE THEM ALL INTO EXTINCTION?

I will stick with Darwin's idea, that the common origin of all life forms is the Creator, and religious and scholarly opinions are jointly the Adversary of God (Num 23:19).

 

[kai]

no kai i didn't "chance upon it" i thought of it, god has given me a brain to think. i'm glad someone has something to smile about.

i'm beginig to wonder are you "evolution" beleivers really going to answer my questions or just make something up by chance and ignore it. i'm just asking for a simple debate sort of thing. is that so hard kai. please tell me.

i dont know whats your question? shall we take the bear and whale thing, well there are bears and there are whales , whales did not evolve from bears.

then theres the monkey and man thing well once again there are men and there are monkeys men did not evolve from Monkeys.


Then theres the clasic how did we get eyes in the front thing , well i think anything with eyes in its arse and had to walk backwards to see where it going would die out pretty quick leaving the things with eyes in the front to inherit the earth, Hey !thats natural selection.

any other questions?

 

[Father Heathen]

It's been said a billion types before, and it doesn't speak well of people's intelligence when it has to be repeated yet again: evolution and god ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. The only thing in conflict with the theory are literal interpretations of creation myths. No single religion has a monopoly on the concept of god, and dismissing something that man contributed to god IS NOT the same as dismissing god himself. This all should be rather obvious, but apparently religious fundamentalism really does cause a functioning mind to cease and atrophy.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

well first of all you won't have to worry about it, as opposed to what you are doing know.



just as flapping our arms to kill the flies because they are over-populating, we could somehow develop wings right. from the flapping.

look evolution speaks about changes that are out of this world. ok say you mentioned the environment and i'll say global warming. were are ok up to here right. you are farmiliar with the ice age, so what difference did those people have from us. nothing, they addapted to the environment by keeping warm, defiying the environment. so today if it gets hot we can just as easily go against it and turn our air conditions on. this is easy there is no problem to this, but changing your insides (guts) to fit the wet environment (the oceans) now thats impossible. do you sort of see the difference that evolution has come up when it comes to adaptation. it is not being realisitc, so that more people are left to wonder like it is something beyound our capability.



well yes there can, thats because we have't discovered them yet. for all the deseises in the world there are cures. but we haven't found them yet, it doesn't mean that aspirin will evolve into a cure for lucemia. it is still aspirin.



well i do not worry about it. thats a releive for me.

You're going to have to go and at least learn what evolution is before you can call it a lie because it's painfully obvious that you don't know and it you're really coming off as a troll......

It it up to you t go and find the information yourself. If you can disprove evolution then I'm all ears.

Start with this one...Why do chickens carry the gene for making teeth if it (the chicken) didn't evolve?

 

[Heneni]

i dont know whats your question? shall we take the bear and whale thing, well there are bears and there are whales , whales did not evolve from bears.

then theres the monkey and man thing well once again there are men and there are monkeys men did not evolve from Monkeys.


Then theres the clasic how did we get eyes in the front thing , well i think anything with eyes in its arse and had to walk backwards to see where it going would die out pretty quick leaving the things with eyes in the front to inherit the earth, Hey !thats natural selection.

any other questions?

Yes, what happened to the fossils of the eyes in their arse specie? Did they dissapear?

Heneni

 

[Gharib]

Superman has powers too what's your point? Who's Chance?

so does batman, whats your point?
chance my friend, is the word responsible for the creation of everything, that's if you beleive in "evolution".

 

[Gharib]

IMO it has nothing to do with chance but survival and that why is said Necessity is the Mother of evolution

if its about survival then how did everything come to be. it isn't chance right.

 

[darkendless]

so does batman, whats your point?
chance my friend, is the word responsible for the creation of everything, that's if you beleive in "evolution".

Theres more than chance, but even if i showed you an E-book on it, you'd ignore the vital messages. Your Allah would strike you down for reading it, because you might learn a little more than fundamentalism.

 

[Magic Man]

what do you mean thats not evolution, evolution meas something gradually evolving to something else. do you even have any knowledge of evolution, how can you say those 3 exapmles are not evolution.

i don't think we can go any further if you say that i'm not speaking of evolution. ask anyone on RF who has some knowledge about it and they'll tell you. evolution scientists believe in the 3 examples that i gave before. i'm not making them up. i don't want to be a liar.

I'll tell you what. Why don't you go ask someone who knows something about evolution. See, the problem is not that you reject evolution. You reject your strawman version of evolution. Educate yourself, or let us educate you on the actual theory and then decide what you think. If you're not going to do that, then you need to stop this.

 

[Gharib]

While their anatomy does not conclude that their abilities were different from modern man, their anatomy was different.

I mean, look at this:

Surely you can see the difference there.

you know i've seen that neanderthal face before. wait, who is it????? oh yes, have you seen the movie 2 fast 2 furious tokyo drift? do you know the guy that shows up at the end of the movie for the last race, yeah it's that guy. look it up if you wish, i can't remember his real name so i can't get any pictures for you. it's as if his twin was a neanderthal almost 4 milion years ago.
and by the way there are 3 different skeletal structures of todays people they are 2 and the other is a round skeletal structure. thats why there are round faced people.

It is a proven scientific fact human bodies adapt to best suit their environments.

yes i know this. that is true.

I mean, look at all of the races on earth. People with darker skin generally appear closer to the equator, and this simply because people are more exposed to the sun in those areas.

well just why is it that arabs are nor white nor black. no one is closer to the equator than them, and thay have been around for millions or years. just as the africans have been.

No... it's called carbon dating.
Usually you allow for an error of around 5000 or 10,000 years when going back as far as the last ice-age (50,000 years ago).
You know how carbon-dating works, right?

yes i'm furmiliar with this.

Didn't he advocate evolution

no he was the guy that found a pigs tooth in the US and not only did he create the creature to whom the tooth it belonged (he beleived that it belonged to a transitional form i think it was of a neanderthal) but he even was able to know in what sort of environment it lived, the family members it had, plus some other friends. and he only made all that from a extinct pigs tooth. know imagine if evolutionists find something bigger than a tooth, say a hand or even a finger, they would be able to construct the whole universe from a single finger. you see how much lies they make up from something so little. and there was the other time when an orangutans mouth area was found (the lower face) and the upper face of a human, just because they were found close to each other, they had to belong to one creature, thus they made a face that looked like half a man and half an orangutan. do you know what surprises me, they never ever have found a female transitional form, it is always the males that they find, i wonder who gave birth to all the children.

 

[Gharib]

Theres more than chance, but even if i showed you an E-book on it, you'd ignore the vital messages. Your Allah would strike you down for reading it, because you might learn a little more than fundamentalism.

i wouldn't mind as long i don't have to read a thousand pages. then show me the vital messages if you think i would ignore it. that way i won't be able to say i missed them, there won't be an excuse. what do you say?

 

[Gharib]

I'll tell you what. Why don't you go ask someone who knows something about evolution. See, the problem is not that you reject evolution. You reject your strawman version of evolution. Educate yourself, or let us educate you on the actual theory and then decide what you think. If you're not going to do that, then you need to stop this.

ok give me your strong points, educate me, and if i am agains it i will show why i am agaisnt it. lets talk about the thing that you know best, and we'll see how we go. is that ok by you?

 

[Alceste]

well just why is it that arabs are nor white nor black. no one is closer to the equator than them, and thay have been around for millions or years. just as the africans have been.

FYI.

 

[S-word]

do you know what surprises me, they never ever have found a female transitional form, it is always the males that they find, i wonder who gave birth to all the children.

And what about "Lucy?"

 

[Gharib]

FYI.

ok then why aren't malaysans black? and why are the native australians black?

 

[Gharib]

And what about "Lucy?"

one in a milion.

 

[Magic Man]

It is a proven scientific fact human bodies adapt to best suit their environments.

yes i know this. that is true.

Then you believe in evolution. That's all evolution is. It is small changes in species over a period of time dependant on several factors, the main one of which is lifespan. Fruit flies evolve more quickly than humans because they live less than a day. That's why they use them for experiments, because you can see new species develop very quickly.

Anyway, that's all evolution is, species adapting to best suit their environments. After a certain amount of time those changes make them so different that they are considered a different species.



well just why is it that arabs are nor white nor black. no one is closer to the equator than them, and thay have been around for millions or years. just as the africans have been.



yes i'm furmiliar with this.



no he was the guy that found a pigs tooth in the US and not only did he create the creature to whom the tooth it belonged (he beleived that it belonged to a transitional form i think it was of a neanderthal) but he even was able to know in what sort of environment it lived, the family members it had, plus some other friends. and he only made all that from a extinct pigs tooth. know imagine if evolutionists find something bigger than a tooth, say a hand or even a finger, they would be able to construct the whole universe from a single finger. you see how much lies they make up from something so little. and there was the other time when an orangutans mouth area was found (the lower face) and the upper face of a human, just because they were found close to each other, they had to belong to one creature, thus they made a face that looked like half a man and half an orangutan. do you know what surprises me, they never ever have found a female transitional form, it is always the males that they find, i wonder who gave birth to all the children.[/quote]