EVOLUTION, what a lie.

[JMorris]

When you start to insult people, it is a sign that you are losing your grip in the debate (sorely).

Come on . Allah has appointed your time to die. Does that mean you can drive at hectic speeds without a seat belt because you think that if you're going to die; it is you time? No. You may end up paralyzed from the neck down yet still be alive (on life support) becuase it wasn't your time; but now you just crippled yourself. Same logic. Do you get what I mean? Trust in Allah but tie up your camel .

In many instances Allah mentions in the Holy Qur'an how He has created man:

In Chapter 23 (The Believers):

14. Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allāh, the best of creators.
15. Then indeed, after that you are to die.
16. Then indeed you, on the Day of Resurrection, will be resurrected.

Then again in Chapter 75 (Resurrection):

36. Thinketh man that he is to be left aimless?
37. Was he not a drop of fluid which gushed forth?
38. Then he became a clot; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned
39. And made of him a pair, the male and female.
40. Is not He (who doeth so) able to bring the dead to life?

Chapter 86 (The Morning Star)

5. So let man consider from what he is created.
6. He is created from a gushing fluid
7. That issued from between the loins and ribs.
8. Lo! He verily is Able to return him (unto life)

Allah does not need to write a thesis paper to prove this to humans. Those that are open-minded should be able to see that He is able to create us with His Might. And this is evident in the numerous signs Allah has placed in the solar system, sky, earth, animals and of course; ourselves.

Peace be upon you.
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Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

when you write crap like this you invite insults and ridicule. calling a gibbering fool a gibbering fool isnt an insult, its the truth..........

 

[richardlowellt]

Evolution is simply a fact, to deny evolution is the same as denying gravity. Species change over time and that time spans millions of years. A trip to your local museum will provide you with all the proof you need. The religious need to deny evolution because a belief in evolution trumps creationism. This mythical God they believe in was suppose to create all things as they now appear, of course anyone one with a basic scientific understanding, knows this to be faults.

 

[darkendless]

Evolution is simply a fact, to deny evolution is the same as denying gravity. Species change over time and that time spans millions of years. A trip to your local museum will provide you with all the proof you need. The religious need to deny evolution because a belief in evolution trumps creationism. This mythical God they believe in was suppose to create all things as they now appear, of course anyone one with a basic scientific understanding, knows this to be faults.

Religious beliefs are often used as a shield against common sense. Head across to the thread "The Quran is free of errors" for a solid example.

I think it is important to keep an open mind and recognise that if there was a God, he could have started the evolutionary cycle.

However, something i always say to creationists, is give me a reason to believe God exists. Lack of evidence for a "big bang" is not evidence in favour of God.

 

[painted wolf]

Ghostaka-

You're quotes do well to establish how humans form in the womb... but they still do not discount the possibility of Allah using evolution to bring about biodiversity.

Might need not be unsubtle... indeed evolution would be a most artful and mighty accomplishment.

wa:do

 

[rageoftyrael]

I just hate it when godmongers act as if god is obvious, as if i just opened my eyes i would see. My eyes are open! I want to see, but cannot! So, who's wrong here? If there is a god, why did he let you see the obviousness that is him, and not me? What did i do? Well, maybe he knew i would be an athiest, and chose to blind me, but that means it's not my fault, right? You know, the longer i go, the more i become convinced that there is no god, of course, i'm a rational human being, who doesn't make conclusions without some proof, and i have no proof there is no god, so i will never make such a claim. It is just getting really ridiculous. I challenge you religious people to open YOUR eyes, and see the world for what it really is!

Makes sense to me!

 

[Fatihah]

I'll give Allah $100 if he uses "His Might" for something tangibly beneficial; say revealing himself to everyone so that there is no dispute of his existence or explaining to the morons who kill other people in His name that they are in fact morons and need to knock it off or even that, yes, he did also create the Jews and so hating them is an offense to him since such hate basically translates into an insult against their creator.

All the crap that you offer above is merely vacuous.

Response: Revealing himself would do nothing because people would still deny him and would defeat the purpose of life. Allah shows signs of his existence and tests every soul's free will. Those who heed to his signs are rewarded, those who deliberately reject them won't. That's the purpose of life.

 

[Fatihah]

I just hate it when godmongers act as if god is obvious, as if i just opened my eyes i would see. My eyes are open! I want to see, but cannot! So, who's wrong here? If there is a god, why did he let you see the obviousness that is him, and not me? What did i do? Well, maybe he knew i would be an athiest, and chose to blind me, but that means it's not my fault, right? You know, the longer i go, the more i become convinced that there is no god, of course, i'm a rational human being, who doesn't make conclusions without some proof, and i have no proof there is no god, so i will never make such a claim. It is just getting really ridiculous. I challenge you religious people to open YOUR eyes, and see the world for what it really is!

Makes sense to me!

Response: There is too much proof and very obvious that God exists and absolute none for the theory of evolution (ToE). What is sad is when a person goes to the extreme of trying to portray something that is obvious false to be the truth and confidently stand by it. No one has seen a species evolve into another with their own eyes yet if a scientist says they did, it becomes true. To say something is true in which you yourself hasn't seen is called "brainwashing". Even worse, is when a person will say that they actually saw this take place when they no they haven't, yet confidently say it anyway and call the other person who doesn't agree absurd. That's extreme brainwashing.

 

[JMorris]

Response: There is too much proof and very obvious that God exists and absolute none for the theory of evolution (ToE). What is sad is when a person goes to the extreme of trying to portray something that is obvious false to be the truth and confidently stand by it.

this is some amazing irony, which i am sure is lost on you

No one has seen a species evolve into another with their own eyes yet if a scientist says they did, it becomes true.

:clapwonderful reasoning:drool: i feel dumber just for having read it

To say something is true in which you yourself hasn't seen is called "brainwashing". Even worse, is when a person will say that they actually saw this take place when they no they haven't, yet confidently say it anyway and call the other person who doesn't agree absurd. That's extreme brainwashing.

your irony deposits are vast indeed:bow:

 

[Eddy Daze]

The vedas explain material creation via Brahma , (I would recommend Srila Prabhupada's translation) ...If somebody has a different name for the creator, then thats understandable, as we only have one sun in our system but many cultures have different names and understandings of it.

Back to my question of the logic behind ToE and labelling , the analogy of the developing self, I have changed dramatically since being an embryo ,even brand new cells replaced along the way , but I still remain "Me" , my right arm is part of me as is my knee, the root of me is the newly fertilised egg and sperm , the end of me physically is the old mans body, all the change inbetween have still been me. A specific "Eddy"

 

[Eddy Daze]

I still think this mud slinging, name calling of people being dumb because they disagree with or agree with evolution can be resolved by some form of googlproof cryptic questions, regarding the sciences.(this would settle it then we could get on with stuff, not 100% foolproof, but its all I can offer)

Incidently has anyone on here read any works regarding the dishonesty of, and brainwashing of school children regarding evolutionary icons? when I was in infant school we had posters on the wall of an ape becoming a modern man through a straight succession, when I mentioned this on another board , one evolutionist claimed no knowledge at all of it ever existing or being used to promote the theory.

 

[Fatihah]

this is some amazing irony, which i am sure is lost on you



:clapwonderful reasoning:drool: i feel dumber just for having read it



your irony deposits are vast indeed:bow:

Response: Likewise.

 

[Fatihah]

The vedas explain material creation via Brahma , (I would recommend Srila Prabhupada's translation) ...If somebody has a different name for the creator, then thats understandable, as we only have one sun in our system but many cultures have different names and understandings of it.

Back to my question of the logic behind ToE and labelling , the analogy of the developing self, I have changed dramatically since being an embryo ,even brand new cells replaced along the way , but I still remain "Me" , my right arm is part of me as is my knee, the root of me is the newly fertilised egg and sperm , the end of me physically is the old mans body, all the change inbetween have still been me. A specific "Eddy"

Response: Exactly. I couldn't have said it better. Yes, there's cases of evolving. A boy to a man for example. But you remain the same "you". The same species.

 

[darkendless]

Response: Exactly. I couldn't have said it better. Yes, there's cases of evolving. A boy to a man for example. But you remain the same "you". The same species.

May i suggest you research science before claiming to know about it. Children have been born with 6 fingers and webbed feet. Perhaps you should attempt to understand why this happens before making such generalisations.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

"Back to my question of the logic behind ToE and labelling , the analogy of the developing self, I have changed dramatically since being an embryo ,even brand new cells replaced along the way , but I still remain "Me" , my right arm is part of me as is my knee, the root of me is the newly fertilised egg and sperm , the end of me physically is the old mans body, all the change inbetween have still been me. A specific "Eddy""

True and irrelevant and has nothing to do with ToE.

POPULATIONS evolve NOT individuals.:shout

Why is that so hard to grasp?

 

[Fatihah]

May i suggest you research science before claiming to know about it. Children have been born with 6 fingers and webbed feet. Perhaps you should attempt to understand why this happens before making such generalisations.

Response: That's besides the point. No one is questioning that a person can't be born with a disfigurement. We're talking about different species. A person with 6 fingers is not a different species that a person with 5. They are still of the same species.

 

[Magic Man]

Response: If that were the case, we wouldn't have animals in which some can live on land while others live in the sea. If you can evolve to fit the environment, we wouldn't have these distinctions.

Um..yes, we would. We all evolve in different ways. Think of it like jobs. You can be a fireman, a policeman, a mortgage broker, a retail store manager, an accountant, etc. You can go any number of different directions with your career, so that you make money to live. It's the same with adapting to the environment. Some species develop one mutation, while others develop a different one. They adapt to their environments, just in different ways.

(I'm sure with so many pages following this, someone already answered this for you, but I wanted to respond since it was directed at me.)

 

[Ghostaka]

when you write crap like this you invite insults and ridicule. calling a gibbering fool a gibbering fool isnt an insult, its the truth..........

What was the point of you commenting? If you've got nothing to say don't post.

I'm not trying to attack or anything but if you're just posting for the sake of insulting someone then there is no need.

Peace be upon you.

 

[Magic Man]

Response: I agree to your explanation on ToE. But I disagree as to the fact that it's true. A fish does not change into a slightly different fish, nor has anyone ever witnessed such a thing.

Wow. I've seen a lot of willful ignorance on threads on this subject, but this probably takes the cake. It's mind-boggling that you could close your mind enough to actually believe this. It's sad.

 

[Magic Man]

Response: I couldn't agree more. When a theist provides witness accounts of Jesus performing miracles...it's a lie.
When witness accounts are presented to prove the miracles of Moses....it's a lie.
Of Muhammad...it's a lie
Of Allah himself....it's a lie


But when a scentist says that they've seen something evolve...IT's TRUE!!!!

The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

That's because every human being can see the same things the scientist does, if they want to. Go study biology in school, and you'll see evolution at work, too.

 

[averageJOE]

Response: Exactly. I couldn't have said it better. Yes, there's cases of evolving. A boy to a man for example. But you remain the same "you". The same species.

Say there is a nuclear war. After the explosions stop and the world is a complete wasteland 1000 people decide to live in underground tunnles. Another 1000 decide to stay and live on the surface.

So we have a one population living underground and another living on the surface. And the two populations survive like this for 1000 years.

After a thousand years, if you took a member from the underground tunnels and compared "it" to a member who lived on the surface they would look completly different. Each population would have adapted to their sepreate environments differently. For example, the people underground would probably have bleach white eyes, and since they lived in tunnels they grew to be shorter and hunched over to fit through the tunnels. On the surface, the radiation fallout would possibly cause an infinate amount of mutations that would forever remain in their genes. Each population would probably have a different anatomy too. Like the people underground developed a digestive system that can digest a certain root that we could never have eaten before. And these populations probably would not be able to breed with each other either. With the population on top; the males would probably have a mutation in their sperm (caused by the radiation) that can only interact with a females eggs with the same mutation.

After all of this, you would then classify the two as seperate species.

(just a hypothetical)