EVOLUTION, what a lie.

[Fatihah]

Are you saying that a blind person doesn't have a sense of truth? There are many things that are true that I personally have not seen, but we have evidence to confirm it's validity. For instance, I have never been to china, but the evidence that china exists is overwhelming, but I have not actually seen china with my own eyes.

Response: True. Not all things require sight as proof. For example, I know you exists and you know I exists despite the fact that we can't see each other. However, what color shirt do I have on?

So there are things that require sight in order for proof while some things don't. And a species evolving into another species requires just that, sight.

 

[Ghostaka]

Pity, for even Allah must abhor the willfully ignorant.

2:42 Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth.

3:66 Lo! ye are those who argue about that whereof ye have some knowledge: Why then argue ye concerning that whereof ye have no knowledge? Allah knoweth. Ye know not.

You quote and agree on Allah's word here (^) and ignore the rest?

Then, you are those [same ones who are] killing one another and evicting a party of your people from their homes, cooperating against them in sin and aggression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their eviction was forbidden to you. So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allāh is not unaware of what you do. {The Holy Qur'an 2:85}

Peace be upon you.

 

[Tristesse]

Response: True. Not all things require sight as proof. For example, I know you exists and you know I exists despite the fact that we can't see each other. However, what color shirt do I have on?

So there are things that require sight in order for proof while some things don't. And a species evolving into another species requires just that, sight.

No, it requires an assimilated mass of evidence. To use my earlier analogy, it's like a detective approaching the scene of a crime and trying to piece it together.

 

[Ghostaka]

Are you brainwashed about viruses?

Allah does tell us to keep clean ... does that count?

bwt, you do know that bacteria have evolved during the past 100 yrs? The "nylon bug" being a good example.

You ARE aware of that - right?

And Allah didn't take any part in creating the new? Nothing happens without the Permission and Knowledge of Allah.

Peace be upon you.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

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So there are things that require sight in order for proof while some things don't. And a species evolving into another species requires just that, sight.

And why should that be?

bwt, just curious; what verses in your fable book mention bacteria?

 

[Fatihah]

Are you brainwashed about viruses?

bwt, you do know that bacteria have evolved during the past 100 yrs? The "nylon bug" being a good example.

You ARE aware of that - right?

Response: No bacteria has evolved nor have you seen it evolve.

 

[painted wolf]

No bacteria has evolved nor have you seen it evolve.

a couple more examples for you...
Nylon-eating bacteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
E. coli long-term evolution experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wa:do

 

[OmarKhayyam]

Allah does tell us to keep clean ... does that count?

But you have never seen a virus. How do you know they exist?

And Allah didn't take any part in that? Nothing happens without the Permission and Knowledge of Allah.

So your god lets bacteria evolve. What other organisms does it allow to evolve?

 

[tumbleweed41]

You quote and agree on Allah's word here (^) and ignore the rest?

Then, you are those [same ones who are] killing one another and evicting a party of your people from their homes, cooperating against them in sin and aggression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their eviction was forbidden to you. So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allāh is not unaware of what you do. {The Holy Qur'an 2:85}

Peace be upon you.

Ghostika, you misunderstand, I do not agree with any of it, it is reveled revelation. However what I do agree on is that the Quran is a guide to becoming closer to Allah, not a scientific textbook, nor an excuse for willful ignorance.

Peace to you too

 

[OmarKhayyam]

Wait a minute guys, lets all get on the same page here.
The "nylon bug" 1st appeared after nylon was invented. It eats nylon its only food. If could not have existed before nylon was invented.

So, is this evolution or special creation?

 

[Ghostaka]

So your god lets bacteria evolve. What other organisms does it allow to evolve?

Sorry edited my comment while you were replying. Allah knows best. Neither you nor I know. Why is it so hard to believe that Allah can create, why do you have to assume bacteria evolves when Allah is able to do all things?

Peace be upon you.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Sorry edited my comment while you were replying. Allah knows best. Neither you nor I know. Why is it so hard to believe that Allah can create, why do you have to assume bacteria evolves when Allah is able to do all things?

Peace be upon you.

Why is it so hard for you to believe that Allah created the laws of nature, including evolution. And that in his wisdom he has allowed life to evolve naturally, in accordance with the very laws he himself must have laid out?

 

[Ghostaka]

Ghostika, you misunderstand, I do not agree with any of it, it is reveled revelation. However what I do agree on is that the Quran is a guide to becoming closer to Allah, not a scientific textbook, nor an excuse for willful ignorance.

Peace to you too

You don't agree with any of it? What about Allah's mention of Embryogenesis or description of the alternation of the moon and sun and other numerous mentions that comply with what you see in your life? I didn't get the part about "revealed revelation".

Peace be upon you.

 

[Ghostaka]

Why is it so hard for you to believe that Allah created the laws of nature, including evolution. And that in his wisdom he has allowed life to evolve naturally, in accordance with the very laws he himself must have laid out?

Of course Allah created the laws of nature. That does not mean what you attribute to evolution is correct. Allah mentions that He Himself "fashioned" Adam - "with his two hands" [N.B. not to mean that Allah has human attributes].

Peace be upon you.

 

[painted wolf]

Sorry edited my comment while you were replying. Allah knows best. Neither you nor I know. Why is it so hard to believe that Allah can create, why do you have to assume bacteria evolves when Allah is able to do all things?

Why would Allah trick scientists by changing things in the lab in the way that evolution shows they should change?

I personally don't think Creator would deceive me that way...

wa:do

 

[Sunstone]

Why would Allah trick scientists by changing things in the lab in the way that evolution shows they should change?

I personally don't think Creator would deceive me that way...

wa:do

Some gods are sneaky, some aren't. His is, yours isn't.

 

[Autodidact]

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But don't you see a conflict in what the Qur'an says and what you are saying? If Adam (PBUH) was the first man fashioned by Allah, where does ToE fit in? Adam was created in form of a "Homo Sapian".

As I said at the beginning, ToE explains how Allah chose to create all the different kinds of organisms we see.

That is not the point. Backbiting & Slander - an Islamic perspective

Peace be upon you.

If it's true; it's not slander.

btw, would you appreciate me directing you to an atheist perspective, or expect you to find value there?

 

[Autodidact]

[QUOTE/Autodidact]Yes, I see. So what does the Qu'ran say about how we get different species or whether new ones evolve?(End quote)

Response: All says in the qur'an:

"Verily, in the heavens and the earth are Signs for those who believe

And in your own creation and that of all the creatures which He spreads are Signs for a people who posses firm faith" ch.45:3,4

Also we read: "See they not how Allah originates creation, then repeats it? That surely, is easy for Allah

Say, Travel in the earth and see how he originated the creation. Then will Allah create the second creation. Surely, Allah has the power over all things" ch.29:19,20

Here we understand that Allah is the creator so all diversity was created by him. Originated by him. Then we are specifically told that in every one of Allah's creation is a Sign that let's us know how it was created. Therefore, if evolution was the cause, we all would be able to "SEE" it.

And that's exactly what we do see, when we look at the evidence.

Quote: Autididact/
To all else: You see that Fatihah's only objection is purely religious, right? It has nothing to do with the evidence, which he hasn't even seen yet. He believes that his religion requires him not to believe that new species come into existence (I don't know why he believes this) so he denies the facts. If your religion does not require this, you are free to accept them.(End quote)

Response: We can also tell from the response above exactly how opened your mind really is and how vain your desires really are. Why else would someone adress the crowd or want to draw attention to their argument? Thanks for the confirmation.

Because the thread, and the forum, are to and for everyone, not just you and me.

 

[Autodidact]

Response: When you believe in the Theory of Evolution despite the simple fact that you have never actually seen a species evolve into another, it not only becomes clear where the ignorance lies but a serious case of brainwashing.

Actually, what it means is that you accept and value science.

 

[Autodidact]

Response: And exactly what evidence do you have that proves that a species evolves into another? How do you know if a species evolved into another if you haven't seen it take place? Your own answer will answer your questions above.

Well, once I get done explaining the theory, I'll go into the evidence. There is literally tons of it. However, so far you have shown no signs of understanding what I have said, since you still insist on responding to something completely different, that is, the idea that Allah is not the creator. Please go back and read the posts about fish, and bear them in mind, actually understand what they actually say, which is nothing about Allah, and then we can move on.