Response: Not at all. I don't know if the Golden Retreiver is a mix-breed or not. If it is, no. If it isn't, yes.
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EVOLUTION, what a lie.
- Thread starter Gharib
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Response: Not at all. I don't know if the Golden Retreiver is a mix-breed or not. If it is, no. If it isn't, yes.
Response: Some are mixed-breed. However, before this, yes.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Researching, the overwhelming evidence to support it? 200 years (or so, give or take a few decades
) worth of study, and still nothing contrary, in fact, more evidence as time goes by?And I say it means that.
To you. (What on earth is God doing creating more creations all the time?)
It could easily be a way of explaining evolution to a bunch who would have not understood it.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
The facts are that species evolve into new species all the time. That's the main fact that the theory is based on. That's what the theory is all about. Species genes changing over generations so that they give birth to new species is fact and it's the main idea of the theory.
[QUOTE ManTimeForgot]Fatinah: Until you do those tests I proposed you do for yourself no one here is going to take you seriously. You see here in the States we have a saying: Put up or Shut up. Are you going to put your money where your mouth is and go out and do tests and try to show us that natural selection/evolution doesn't occur? Or are you going to continue to sit here and blather about how "there's no proof?"(End quote)
Response: There is no test needed. That's what you refuse to acknowledge. All that's necessary for someone to know whether something evolved into another species is one thing....EYES. You have to see it happen. No one has.
(Quote ManTimeForgot)
You can scream: "Where's the Proof? Where's the Proof?" all you want. But you know what? There's no proof you actually exist.(End Quote)
Response: Then who are you talking to?
(Quote ManTimeForgot)
You could be some horrible figment of my imagination set about to torment me. You could be some extra-terrestrial torture program inserted into my brain. Want to try proving to me you actually exist?(End Quote)
Response: Who are you talking to?
(Quote ManTimeForgot
How about we do a little test about "hearsay evidence?" Prove to yourself that you need food to survive. Have you ever actually done the test? Have you tried going without food until you die? Didn't think so. So you have gone by word of mouth that you will die if you go without food for too long... So let's do a little experiement. You go without food indefinitely from now on and prove to yourself that you need food to live.(End Quote)
Response: I'm o.k.
(Quote ManTimeForgot)
Your need for absolute proof in an imperfect universe is childish at best. The only things that have "absolute proof" are tautologies and contradictions, and that is because they are self-evident; they are equal with their proof because they are their own proof. A equals A is absolutely true. A does not equal A is absolutely false. Asking for absolute proof at any level of existence is akin to asking for a tautology or contradiction to show its proof, and that quite simply is impossible. Anything worth knowing doesn't require a tautology to prove it because tautologies only prove really simple self-evident things. And contradiction doesn't occur in nature; You can make assumptions and find out they are contradicted by evidence, but no where in nature is there an actual contradiction.(End Quote)
Response: Prove it.
(Quote ManTimeForgot)
Of course it does bear mentioning that no where in the Qu'ran is there absolute proof of any kind. Prove to me that any of the words contained therein are the Words of God. Prove to me that anything that is said therein actually happened. Prove to me that following the Qu'ran actually leads people (as in more than one person) to a moral, just, and loving life. Prove to me that believing the Qu'ran leads to communion or contact with the divine. Prove to me that believing the Qu'ran leads to paradise after death.
Can you honestly say you can do any of these things? Or is it all just "word of mouth?"
MTF(End Quote)
Response:
In ch: 4:82 of the qur'an we read, "Will they not,then, meditate upon the Qur'an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy". Also in ch.2:23 we read "And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it, and call upon your helpers beside Allah, if you are truthful".
Here we have two tests to prove the authenticity and truth of the qur'an. Once applied, you will come to learn that the qur'an is in fact from Allah and has never nor will it ever be corrupted.
Response: There is no test needed. That's what you refuse to acknowledge. All that's necessary for someone to know whether something evolved into another species is one thing....EYES. You have to see it happen. No one has.
(Quote ManTimeForgot)
You can scream: "Where's the Proof? Where's the Proof?" all you want. But you know what? There's no proof you actually exist.(End Quote)
Response: Then who are you talking to?
(Quote ManTimeForgot)
You could be some horrible figment of my imagination set about to torment me. You could be some extra-terrestrial torture program inserted into my brain. Want to try proving to me you actually exist?(End Quote)
Response: Who are you talking to?
(Quote ManTimeForgot
How about we do a little test about "hearsay evidence?" Prove to yourself that you need food to survive. Have you ever actually done the test? Have you tried going without food until you die? Didn't think so. So you have gone by word of mouth that you will die if you go without food for too long... So let's do a little experiement. You go without food indefinitely from now on and prove to yourself that you need food to live.(End Quote)
Response: I'm o.k.
(Quote ManTimeForgot)
Your need for absolute proof in an imperfect universe is childish at best. The only things that have "absolute proof" are tautologies and contradictions, and that is because they are self-evident; they are equal with their proof because they are their own proof. A equals A is absolutely true. A does not equal A is absolutely false. Asking for absolute proof at any level of existence is akin to asking for a tautology or contradiction to show its proof, and that quite simply is impossible. Anything worth knowing doesn't require a tautology to prove it because tautologies only prove really simple self-evident things. And contradiction doesn't occur in nature; You can make assumptions and find out they are contradicted by evidence, but no where in nature is there an actual contradiction.(End Quote)
Response: Prove it.
(Quote ManTimeForgot)
Of course it does bear mentioning that no where in the Qu'ran is there absolute proof of any kind. Prove to me that any of the words contained therein are the Words of God. Prove to me that anything that is said therein actually happened. Prove to me that following the Qu'ran actually leads people (as in more than one person) to a moral, just, and loving life. Prove to me that believing the Qu'ran leads to communion or contact with the divine. Prove to me that believing the Qu'ran leads to paradise after death.
Can you honestly say you can do any of these things? Or is it all just "word of mouth?"
MTF(End Quote)
Response:
In ch: 4:82 of the qur'an we read, "Will they not,then, meditate upon the Qur'an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy". Also in ch.2:23 we read "And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it, and call upon your helpers beside Allah, if you are truthful".
Here we have two tests to prove the authenticity and truth of the qur'an. Once applied, you will come to learn that the qur'an is in fact from Allah and has never nor will it ever be corrupted.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
No, when you start to claim that no one has ever seen a species evolve into a new species, you've been brainwashed and are in denial. It's a fact that people have seen species become new species with their very own eyes. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that shows your own indoctrination and willful ignorance.
[QUOTE Odion]Um, yes you did...
(Page 165, Post 1644, "EVOLUTION, what a lie." thread)
Changed your mind already?
Why is it you seem to do this a lot, say something and then claim you never did..?[/QUOTE]
Response: The above clearly says that I said that it "could" be a mixed-breed, not that it actually was. Your inability to comprehend is no fault of mine. But thank you for clarifying it to us.
(Page 165, Post 1644, "EVOLUTION, what a lie." thread)
Changed your mind already?
Why is it you seem to do this a lot, say something and then claim you never did..?[/QUOTE]
Response: The above clearly says that I said that it "could" be a mixed-breed, not that it actually was. Your inability to comprehend is no fault of mine. But thank you for clarifying it to us.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Could be still implies it could be in your eyes. Why would you say it "could" be if you don't believe it could be or that it was possible?
Wow, you're starting to sound like VinDino now.
Response: I'm responding to the person who claims to have proof.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Do you have some rule to make me tell you everything at least twice?
It's not a mixed breed. It's a registered purebreed.
So what you're saying is this breed has existed unchanged since before humans were created? Is that right?
Response: Likewise.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Do species ever go extinct?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Fatihah: We already disproved this allegation. Every time you say it, you're telling another lie. In fact, this false allegation is how we know you're a liar. You made it, you can't support it, it's false, and you repeat it. That makes you a liar.
[QUOTE Odion]Researching, the overwhelming evidence to support it? 200 years (or so, give or take a few decades ) worth of study, and still nothing contrary, in fact, more evidence as time goes by?(End Quote)
Response: The qur'an has the same and you reject that. Thus showing the hypocrisy in your argument which confirms the fallacy therein.
(Quote Odion)
To you. (What on earth is God doing creating more creations all the time?)
It could easily be a way of explaining evolution to a bunch who would have not understood it.[/QUOTE]
Response: ToE is the creation of another species, therefore it's not repeating the same creation as the verse says.
) worth of study, and still nothing contrary, in fact, more evidence as time goes by?(End Quote)Response: The qur'an has the same and you reject that. Thus showing the hypocrisy in your argument which confirms the fallacy therein.
(Quote Odion)
To you. (What on earth is God doing creating more creations all the time?)
It could easily be a way of explaining evolution to a bunch who would have not understood it.[/QUOTE]
Response: ToE is the creation of another species, therefore it's not repeating the same creation as the verse says.
Response: Right, but that doesn't happen so the theory is false.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Well, you can deny it all you want, but it's still going to be true. We are still going to see new species evolve, whether or not you choose to acknoledge it.
Also, what you're saying is that the theory is not based on facts, after all. It would at least be nice if you were consistent.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
1. There is no no evidence of spontaneous creation.
2. I'm not a hypocrite, and nor is my argument. If I am given undeniable proof that the world was created in a snap, fine, I'll believe it.
Sadly, there is no proof.
If there was, it would be much easier, but much more boring.
Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
I don't dispute this... nor does it matter to the conversation.
And if you look at their genetics, phylogentics, cladistics, taxonomy, anatomy and molecular evidence you see the signs of how Allah created them.
I have provided examples of this... you simply choose to dismiss it.
This is a statement on your part... you have provided no proof that these people are lying.
You choose to label these hardworking people liars and do nothing to justify it...
Again, I can only conclude that something about Evolution bothers you deeply... so deeply that you can not look at the evidence... you reflexively dismiss it with no justification.
You refuse to specify what you think "proof" is... and when you did say it was "factual evidence" you simply dismiss any factual evidence that is given to you as not being "proof".
You demand that someone see a species change, when given examples of people seeing it, you dismiss it as 'not proof'.
You claim to have faith in Allah and his power... yet you can't allow Allah to use Evolution... you limit him and his wisdom with no reason other than it makes you feel better.
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