EVOLUTION, what a lie.

[Fatihah]

how is she going to force you to go see it yourself?
people have told you repeatedly that you can go see it, and you have said repeatedly that you will only believe it if you see it.
and you have also said repeatedly that you refuse to even make any attempt to go see it for yourself.
so if proof to you = seeing it happen yourself, how is she (or science) going to force you to go see it yourself, when you refuse to go do it?

your say god created the the earth and every thing on it.
according to you, you only believe the things you see for yourself.
so how can you believe in creation when you never saw it for yourself?
how is creation an acceptable alternative to the ToE, in your opinion?
you never saw it happen yourself.

Response: You can't see something that doesn't exists. Does Santa Clause live in the North Pole?

 

[Fatihah]

one last time to redeem yourself. where in the above post does she say "ToE is not true"? where? please point this out, pleeeeeeeeeease, i really want to see if you can do it.

Response: And another chance to redeem yourself. Which simple english words is JMorris having a problem understanding? I'll be your 1st grade teacher for now.

 

[JMorris]

Response: You can't see something that doesn't exists. Does Santa Clause live in the North Pole?

no, people have gone there. and they saw there was no Santa Claus, they didnt simply say "he is not real", they know because they saw it. people know evolution is real, because they did the work to observe it. you will not see it, because you will not make any effort to do so. if you made the effort to observe this as well, you could only say it was not real if you were lying, something you have been proven to be.

but by your own words you agree that creation isnt true. and that Allah isnt real. ok, we finally got somewhere

 

[JMorris]

Response: And another chance to redeem yourself. Which simple english words is JMorris having a problem understanding? I'll be your 1st grade teacher for now.

ok, be my 1st grade teacher. show me where she says "ToE is not true". the fact that you fail to do so over and over only proves that your are a stubborn on top of being a liar.

 

[Autodidact]

Response: What is the purpose of your question? You've said many times that science is not about proof. So why even have this dialogue? I'm asking for proof, you don't have it, as you have clearly said that science is not about proof.

That's right, Fatihah. Nothing in science is ever proven. All scientific knowledge is based on evidence. (I quoted several cites that explain this to people who don't know much about science, but I doubt that you read or understood them.) So if you reject evidence as a source of knowledge, then you reject all of science. Of course, that's your prerogative, but you would have to give up your blackberry, just to be consistent.

So, if you reject ToE because it is based on evidence, not proof, you must reject all of science. Sad for you, especially if, Allah forbid, you were to become seriously ill.

Don't worry about my "purpose," just answer the questions honestly--if you know how to do that.

So the number of species is constantly going down, right? As time goes on, we get fewer and fewer different species?

 

[Father Heathen]

I like how these threads drag on endlessly just because willfully ignorant and intellectually dishonest people reject the unsurmountable mountain of evidence that supports and solidifies evolution solely on the grounds that it conflicts with a literal interpretation of some ancient mythology written by primitive goat herders that requires a total abandonment of logic and reason to accept as fact.

 

[Autodidact]

Response: Even more unfortunate is when you have to lie that you didn't say something. Then when we add to the fact that your own words demonstrate that ToE is not true, it's quite compelling.

It's simple, Fatihah, just produce the post where I said it. Then we'll know that I'm the one who's lying. Do it--or retract.

 

[Autodidact]

Response: And when a person constantly demonstrates that they can't comprehend and has to lie on top of it, it reveals the desperate cry of a defeated person.

 

[Autodidact]

Response: And another chance to redeem yourself. Which simple english words is JMorris having a problem understanding? I'll be your 1st grade teacher for now.

The invisible ones where I said that ToE is not true.

 

[Fatihah]

(QUOTEJMorris)no, people have gone there. and they saw there was no Santa Claus, they didnt simply say "he is not real", they know because they saw it.(End quote)

Response: And exactly how do you know that people went to the North Pole and saw that there was no Santa Clause?

(Quote JMorris)
people know evolution is real, because they did the work to observe it. you will not see it, because you will not make any effort to do so. if you made the effort to observe this as well, you could only say it was not real if you were lying, something you have been proven to be.(End Quote)

Response: And exactly how do you know that people did the work to observe evolution?

(Quote JMorris)
but by your own words you agree that creation isnt true. and that Allah isnt real. ok, we finally got somewhere(End Quote)

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

 

[Fatihah]

ok, be my 1st grade teacher. show me where she says "ToE is not true". the fact that you fail to do so over and over only proves that your are a stubborn on top of being a liar.

Response: You must first point out the simple english words that you can't comprehend. The fact that you can't shows that you're a liar.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE Autodidact;]That's right, Fatihah. Nothing in science is ever proven. All scientific knowledge is based on evidence. (I quoted several cites that explain this to people who don't know much about science, but I doubt that you read or understood them.) So if you reject evidence as a source of knowledge, then you reject all of science. Of course, that's your prerogative, but you would have to give up your blackberry, just to be consistent.

So, if you reject ToE because it is based on evidence, not proof, you must reject all of science. Sad for you, especially if, Allah forbid, you were to become seriously ill.(End quote)

Response: You just said:
"That's right, Fatihah. Nothing in science is ever proven."

So once again, you are confirming from your own mouth that ToE isn't true.

(Quote Autodidact)
Don't worry about my "purpose," just answer the questions honestly--if you know how to do that.

So the number of species is constantly going down, right? As time goes on, we get fewer and fewer different species?(End Quote)

Response: Perhaps you answer questions without knowing the purpose of them, but I don't.

 

[JMorris]

Response: And exactly how do you know that people went to the North Pole and saw that there was no Santa Clause?

how do i know the North Pole exists? how do i know you exist? how do i know air exists? how do i know anything i havent seen exists? maybe your right, i should believe anything exists if i havent seen it myself. if this is what you believe, i would think you'd be a more ardent atheist than i.

Response: And exactly how do you know that people did the work to observe evolution?

how do i know the North Pole exists? how do i know you exist? how do i know air exists? how do i know anything i havent seen exists? maybe your right, i should believe anything exists if i havent seen it myself. if this is what you believe, i would think you'd be a more ardent atheist than i.

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

you provided the proof yourself. if you cant see it, its not true/real. neither i nor you ever saw creation, and thus it cant be true. neither i nor you have seen Allah, and thus he cant be real. or are you a hypocrite on top of being a liar?

 

[JMorris]

Response: You must first point out the simple english words that you can't comprehend. The fact that you can't shows that you're a liar.

i comprehend them all, and none of the ones that Autodidact said were "ToE is not true". so which ones did she say that DO mean that?

 

[Fatihah]

I like how these threads drag on endlessly just because willfully ignorant and intellectually dishonest people reject the unsurmountable mountain of evidence that supports and solidifies evolution solely on the grounds that it conflicts with a literal interpretation of some ancient mythology written by primitive goat herders that requires a total abandonment of logic and reason to accept as fact.

Response: On the contrary, they drag because of certain atheists who insist on worshipping scientists while claiming that they don't believe in Gods and believe everything they say without actual proof and become hypocrites in their own arguments when they say that theists believe blindly when they are guilty of their own accusation, to the point where they reject all clear signs of Allah's existence, even when the evidence hits them right in the face.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE JMorris]how do i know the North Pole exists? how do i know you exist? how do i know air exists? how do i know anything i havent seen exists? maybe your right, i should believe anything exists if i havent seen it myself. if this is what you believe, i would think you'd be a more ardent atheist than i.(End Quote)

Response: Exactly my point. Absurd logic and blind faith. You can't even answer as to how you know whether Santa Clause Exists, let alone prove that people actually saw evolution. Yet you believe it's true anyway and criticize others for not believeing blindly as you do. Thanks for clarifying your hypocrisy and fallacy in your own logic. Blind Faith. How sad it is.


(Quote JMorris)
you provided the proof yourself. if you cant see it, its not true/real. neither i nor you ever saw creation, and thus it cant be true. neither i nor you have seen Allah, and thus he cant be real. or are you a hypocrite on top of being a liar?(End quote)

Response: I never said that if you can't see it, it's not true. Amazing. Another lie and example of hypocrisy in the same post.

 

[JMorris]

Response: On the contrary, they drag because of certain atheists who insist on worshipping scientists while claiming that they don't believe in Gods and believe everything they say

a scientist have told you herself that she's seen evolution happen. you called her a liar. other people have said the've seen it themselves, you called them liars. baseless accusations, you have no PROOF that their lying. i have gone to museums and seen the fossils myself. we do not worship scientists as you claim, we accept the evidence they have presented because it is true. you refuse to even look at the evidence because you know its true too.

without actual proof and become hypocrites in their own arguments when they say that theists believe blindly when they are guilty of their own accusation,

accepting actual solid evidence that actually exists in the real world is "blind belief"? your retarded, and before you say, i know "Likewise":bonk:

to the point where they reject all clear signs of Allah's existence, even when the evidence hits them right in the face.

where is the evidence of Allah's existence? ive yet to see any

 

[JMorris]

Response: Exactly my point. Absurd logic and blind faith. You can't even answer as to how you know whether Santa Clause Exists, let alone prove that people actually saw evolution. Yet you believe it's true anyway and criticize others for not believeing blindly as you do. Thanks for clarifying your hypocrisy and fallacy in your own logic. Blind Faith. How sad it is.

Response: I never said that if you can't see it, it's not true. Amazing. Another lie and example of hypocrisy in the same post.

what cannot be seen cannot be true. i've never seen Allah, i've never seen creation. thus both do not exist. and you've never seen them either.

 

[darkendless]

Response: On the contrary, they drag because of certain atheists who insist on worshipping scientists while claiming that they don't believe in Gods and believe everything they say without actual proof and become hypocrites in their own arguments when they say that theists believe blindly when they are guilty of their own accusation, to the point where they reject all clear signs of Allah's existence, even when the evidence hits them right in the face.

I've never seen such a silly statement. You forget that many members on here work in the field of science.

Stop fabricating your silly book its making you look worse. Grow up and open your eyes.

Now i await your thrilling response which will consist of: Likewise, theres the statement but wheres the proof or something similar.

 

[Father Heathen]

Response: On the contrary, they drag because of certain atheists who insist on worshipping scientists while claiming that they don't believe in Gods and believe everything they say without actual proof and become hypocrites in their own arguments when they say that theists believe blindly when they are guilty of their own accusation, to the point where they reject all clear signs of Allah's existence, even when the evidence hits them right in the face.

First off, what does atheism have to do with evolution? The concept of god and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive. Obviously.
Secondly, they don't "worship" scientists, but rather understand and trust their methods, the very same of which made the computer that you're sitting at possible.
Lastly, those who accept evolution have offered plenty of evidence and explanations to support their case, while you have offered absolutely nothing to support yours.