EVOLUTION, what a lie.

[Gharib]

If it's not real to you, why do you assume that it's a flat out lie?

well thats because it is a lie. a very good cover up i must add.

What do you think?

well the first thing in my mind would be;
it is a theory, not a fact. so not real.
no solid evidence to support it
and thus concluding my point.

Scientists buried bones just to **** with the rest of the population?

do whatch the language will you?

no they discovered bones alright, they did not burrie any.
but the ones that they found werent exactly, well lets say human material.

i am sensing that you are kind of offended or anoyed that i have said evolution is false.

 

[slave2six]

Actually, no. He believes that God is playing an amusing joke on us by creating so much evidence for evolution despite the fact that it's really a lie.

This is probably what Fatihah thinks God is doing:

*God buries fossils all over the place that slowly change as years progress, creates thousands of different races of human, and provides thousands of other pieces of evidence for evolution.*

God: Let's see who believes in me now, suckers! I'm testing you, lolololololz.

Well, that would be consistent with God's character. "Hey, see this tree over here? It's got some very yummy fruit on it. Smells good, yeah? I'm gonna put it right in the middle of the Garden. Nice bit of work, that. Now, don't eat this fruit or you'll die. OK? I mean it. Here's my serpent nemesis to tell you all about it..."

 

[Gharib]

Actually, no. He believes that God is playing an amusing joke on us by creating so much evidence for evolution despite the fact that it's really a lie.

This is probably what Fatihah thinks God is doing:

*God buries fossils all over the place that slowly change as years progress, creates thousands of different races of human, and provides thousands of other pieces of evidence for evolution.*

God: Let's see who believes in me now, suckers! I'm testing you, lolololololz.

comeon mate, you seriously are that old?

 

[Gharib]

there are no bones, its a lie.

did you discover that all by yourself?

 

[slave2six]

well the first thing in my mind would be;
it is a theory, not a fact. so not real. no solid evidence to support it and thus concluding my point.

Gravity is just a theory too. I double-dog-dare you throw a stone straight up in the air and stand still knowing full well that that whole nonsense about gravity is a theory and "so not a fact."

It amazes me how people are willing to make themselves stupider than they actually are just to prop of their favorite story. If you really think that a theory is the same as "a guess" then I would highly recommend that you attend school somewhere that has any kind of a science class and that you actually pay attention instead of daydreaming.

 

[rageoftyrael]

I just find it funny that this guy is railing you for not being able to readily give a good answer to his questions, and yet he can't do it himself. He can't prove his god exists, all he can do is sit there and expound upon the fact that allah is real, and it is obvious, and we are just ignoring the obvious truth. yeah, jmorris, he is a very ironic person.

You know why evolution is hard to defend? it's complicated. that's right, it's complicated. The base idea is fairly simple, but when you get into it, it's complicated, which is why it isn't so easy to just randomly have proof for you, as if you would understand it anyway. Oops, that is kind of mean. He would probably understand, maybe, but ignore it. You know what you call someone who ignores common sense? A fool. An idiot just doesn't understand, but i don't think you qualify, i think you are smart enough to understand. you just refuse to see it. and that makes you a fool. You don't have to like what i said, but i think most people will agree with my assesment here.

Makes sense to me.

 

[Buttons*]

well thats because it is a lie. a very good cover up i must add.

Well, I guess you can thank Allah for misleading all those people who believe in evolution, then.

well the first thing in my mind would be;
it is a theory, not a fact. so not real.
no solid evidence to support it
and thus concluding my point.

Well... if only facts are real, that takes out a LOT of information we take for granted as real. Thoughts, beliefs, spirituality... all disintegrates unless we have facts to back them up. Our facts for those, thus far, are pretty empty.

There are many theories in math, science, and physics that we believe to be true. We put them into practice and so far they are apparently true. However, something may come along to fine tune or irradicate the way we think of things now. Like the theory of planet rotation, for instance. The way we use physics to study Stars that are millions of miles away. These are theories, our best guess. I don't know how a best guess could be a lie.

Lying is knowing better, but promoting a false cover up. I don't see scientists as doing this. Maybe, if this is a trick on God's behalf, God is actually lying. Feeding us false information just to see us squirm? That's not really that loving or thoughtful.

i am sensing that you are kind of offended or anoyed that i have said evolution is false.

Neither actually. To be perfectly honest, I use rough language in my daily life, so I didn't think anything of it when I said it. lol. Oops.

 

[JMorris]

did you discover that all by yourself?

no, Fatinah helped me realize that its all just a vast conspiracy. that, in fact, i shouldnt believe anything i dont see with my own 2 eyes, and if i see anything that contradicts the quran, i must have been hallucinating, because nothing can contradict the quran. just think, i hallucinated an entire trip to Dallas and went to a museum. i dont know why Allah would make me have contradictory hallucinations, but oh well, Allah did it so it must be right.:yes:

so outside of the areas ive actually seen, the rest of the world dosent exist. there is no california, no new york, no china, ect., except of course every place mentioned in the quran. there must also be no history, except for the history inside of the quran, because i never saw it. there must not of been any wars, aside from those that happened in the quran, because ive never seen them. no one on RF (except me of course) must exist because ive never seen them, and their not mentioned in the quran.:yes:

the fact that ive never seen Allah, creation, or anything else mentioned in the quran dosent matter. the quran must be correct, because it is the quran. and even tho i didnt see Allah write it, he must have, because the quran says so.:yes:

so i dont know why im talking to you, you obviously dont exist, as i havent seen you. and i dont know how Fatinah convinced me, since he dosent exist either. maybe hes a angel? well that couldnt be, he's not mentioned in the quran.:yes:

:bonk:

 

[JMorris]

then I would highly recommend that you attend school somewhere that has any kind of a science class and that you actually pay attention instead of daydreaming.

science is a lie. it dosent exist. its not in the quran. the only school worth going to is a madrassa, the only thing worth learning is the quran, as it is the only thing that is real.:yes:

and before you ask "if science isnt real, how are you using a computer right now?" simple, computers exist because Allah made them at the dawn of creation. as something obviously cannot be without Allah. and nothing has ever been created after the dawn of creation, because the quran says so.:yes:

but i dont know why im talking to you, you obviously dont exist, because the quran dosent mention you, and i do not see you. (apparently i have lots of hallucinations, all praise to Allah gifting me with constant hallucinations):yes:
:bonk:

 

[JMorris]

I just find it funny that this guy is railing you for not being able to readily give a good answer to his questions, and yet he can't do it himself. He can't prove his god exists, all he can do is sit there and expound upon the fact that allah is real, and it is obvious, and we are just ignoring the obvious truth. yeah, jmorris, he is a very ironic person.

You know why evolution is hard to defend? it's complicated. that's right, it's complicated. The base idea is fairly simple, but when you get into it, it's complicated, which is why it isn't so easy to just randomly have proof for you, as if you would understand it anyway. Oops, that is kind of mean. He would probably understand, maybe, but ignore it. You know what you call someone who ignores common sense? A fool. An idiot just doesn't understand, but i don't think you qualify, i think you are smart enough to understand. you just refuse to see it. and that makes you a fool. You don't have to like what i said, but i think most people will agree with my assesment here.

Makes sense to me.

ToE is complicated because it is a lie. everything that is complicated is a lie.:yes:

the quran is correct because it is simple. only simple things (if their mentioned in the quran) are true. if you were a good, honest, simple person you would know this:yes:

but i dont know why im talking to you, ive never seen you, and you arent mentioned in the quran, so you must not be real.:yes:

:bonk:

 

[Breathe]

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE darkendless]You're making an accusation there. You have no proof. You're just assuming i'm not a scientist and that i do not go to university and deal with bacteria.

Do you have any proof for your statements?(End Quote)

Response: Yes, and your inability to refute them is evident to that fact.

(Quote darkendless)
Look champ, stop making assumptions and stop being silly, you're embarrassing Islam, i've cpmpletely lost respect for any of you contributing to this thread.(End Quote)

Response: Likewise.

 

[Fatihah]

Is air a delicious snack, Fatihah?

Response: Try it and see.

 

[Magic Man]

We are debating whether Evolution is a lie right? How is that not related to the existence of Allah especially since you yourself have attributed atheism to evolution?

How is it that someone could have participated on this thread for dozens of pages now, and still not have grasped this concept that has been explained and gone over at least 10+ times? This baffles me.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE ManTimeForgot]So the end of all this is rather than confronting your own contradictory view points you chooses evasion. Regardless of whatever is written since you cannot verify it must not be true if it contradicts the Qu'ran. (If you think that anyone from ancient times had anti-bodies from HIV then you are living in a dream world)

So while you are technically correct I haven't answered your challenge you have left mine unanswered, which I will take to mean that you are content to remain a self-constrained hypocrite.(End Quote)

Response: Amazing. You just stated above from your own mouth that you have technically not answered the challenge of the qur'an and then call me a hypocrite for not answering yours. Newsflash. That makes you a self constrained hypocrite yourself. Your own mouth confirms it. Thanks for the confirmation.

(Quote ManTimeForgot)
Incidentally the Qu'ran is just as easy to create something similar as it is to create something similar to Beethoven's 9th. Of course since no matter how similar something was to the Qu'ran you would never admit that it was similar there can't actually be any argument. I could start cracking out quotes from Avesta or the Pearl of Great Price and they seemed similar enough to me, but that of course means nothing to you since only your view seems to count.(End quote)

Response: And yet another dodges the challenge.

(Quote ManTimeForgot)
In the grand scheme of things if your book actually was the word of Allah and Allah was real, then why isn't it immediately obvious to people of all races and languages that the Qu'ran is such? Shouldn't an almighty deity that makes everything else "obvious" to us do the same with "His Word?"(End Quote)

Response: It is very obvious. Your denial to take on the challenge confirms it. 1400+ years and counting...

 

[Magic Man]

Fatihah, I'm just curious why you're even here. This is a debate, and you're clearly not here to debate. You've said your opinion, and you're obviously not going to entertain anyone else's, so the best thing to do is to just leave. Generally in a debate or discussion, both sides present their opinions and then back them up. All you can do is present your opinions. So, now that you've done so, there's nothing else for you to say. You're done. You've presented your opinion, and we've given the evidence against it, and you just present the same opinion again. Give it up.

If you want to actually debate, please continue, but that would include you actually trying to back up your opinion and/or actually listening to ours.

 

[Fatihah]

Actually, no. He believes that God is playing an amusing joke on us by creating so much evidence for evolution despite the fact that it's really a lie.

This is probably what Fatihah thinks God is doing:

*God buries fossils all over the place that slowly change as years progress, creates thousands of different races of human, and provides thousands of other pieces of evidence for evolution.*

God: Let's see who believes in me now, suckers! I'm testing you, lolololololz.

Response: On the contrary, it is a case of you clearly not having any evidence and is either in a serious case of denial or you have been to programmed to see straight.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It is very obvious.

What is obvious is the pathetic intellectual bankruptcy of your position. If you wish that to characterize Islam as well, that is entirely your choice. But it should make more than a few Muslims cringe to watch you and others transform the tradition that gave us the Golden Age of the Abbassids into a bastion of ignorance and backwardness.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I think Eselam said it best when he said:

well the first thing in my mind would be;
it is a theory, not a fact. so not real.
no solid evidence to support it
and thus concluding my point.

Now where was that solid evidence to support the existence of allah. I know i left it here somewhere.

Is it under the couch cushions. NO
Is it in the fridge (i always look in the fridge you have no idea how many times if found my wallet in the fridge) NO
Is it in my sock drawer. NO

Where could it be??????????????????

[/sarcasm]

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE rageoftyrael]I just find it funny that this guy is railing you for not being able to readily give a good answer to his questions, and yet he can't do it himself. He can't prove his god exists, all he can do is sit there and expound upon the fact that allah is real, and it is obvious, and we are just ignoring the obvious truth. yeah, jmorris, he is a very ironic person. (End Quote)

Response: To the contrary, the is clear proof that Allah exists. That is:

In ch: 4:82 of the qur'an we read, "Will they not,then, meditate upon the Qur'an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy". Also in ch.2:23 we read "And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it, and call upon your helpers beside Allah, if you are truthful".

Here we have two tests to prove the authenticity and truth of the qur'an. Once applied, you will come to learn that the qur'an is in fact from Allah and has never nor will it ever be corrupted

(Quote rageoftyrel)
You know why evolution is hard to defend? it's complicated. that's right, it's complicated. The base idea is fairly simple, but when you get into it, it's complicated, which is why it isn't so easy to just randomly have proof for you, as if you would understand it anyway. Oops, that is kind of mean. He would probably understand, maybe, but ignore it. You know what you call someone who ignores common sense? A fool. An idiot just doesn't understand, but i don't think you qualify, i think you are smart enough to understand. you just refuse to see it. and that makes you a fool. You don't have to like what i said, but i think most people will agree with my assesment here.(End Quote)

Response: Post 1389 of page 139 proves to the contrary.