[QUOTE ManTimeForgot]
No i didn't actually sit outside for several years. I never said I witnessed evolution. I said I witnessed Natural Selection. Nature works such that the most fit species survives. That is what I witnessed. One day all of the ant hills were army ants, and several years later there were no army ants and a bunch of argentine ants. Survival of the fittest at work.
Incidentally, if God made dogs as they are from the beginning, then how is it that there are no depictions of dogs larger than wolves during the time of Muhammed or Jesus? Surely the sight of a St. Barnard would have given them pause and made them want to draw it?(End Quote)
Response: What entices you to draw is not the same for others. And perhaps there were, but were lost.
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And why is it if all living things were created as they were at the beginning no one who died at that period of time has any anti-bodies from modern diseases?
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Response: Who said they didn't?
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That's not proof. I have nothing but words on a computer screen; what proof do I have that there is even a you to begin with?(End Quote)
Response: The thread is about evolution, not whether or not I exist.
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And in the event that you are in fact a real person what proof do you have that injury, starvation, or deprivation of oxygen will cause you to die? Isn't that all hearsay? Once you are prepared to admit to me that your reality is based on false pretenses I will let you go. As it is now you are nothing but a hypocrite applying impossible standards of truth at whim without regard to how they apply to your own life. But if you are content being a hypocrite then I suppose there really isn't any reason for us to have a conversation now is there?
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Response: Once again, the thread is about evolution.
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Response: But a being which can create can set the limitations to it's creation and that limitation does not have to be the ability to not learn the perfection of something and provide proof, which is what Allah did.(End quote)
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So you are saying you can identify perfection? Prove it. Explain to me how many infinities are contained within the Qu'ran. Explain to me what the infinities in the Qu'ran mean. And if there are no infinities in the Qu'ran that you can identify, then you cannot identify perfection; plain and simple.(End quote)
Response: What is infinites and what does it have to do with perfection?
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Response: No, it means that it is not humanly possible to produce a chapter like the qur'an's. Therefore, since it is humanly, impossible, it must be from a higher power, which is Allah. You disagree, the challenge still stands. Produce something like it.
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So because something is beautiful it must be divine. That's really all your challenge amounts to. It is possible for humans to pen something like the Qu'ran because WE DID. Divinely inspired does not mean divinely written. Produce something like Beethoven's 9th symphony. If you can't, then it must be divinely inspired. And until you admit to me that Beethoven's 9th symphony was divinely inspired I will not hold out any hope for the Qu'ran.
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Response: You have beautifully unanswered the challenge.
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