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I appreciate the links, but the “Weavers, Scribes, and Kings” link, is not working.
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Exodus Archeology Evidence
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I appreciate the links, but the “Weavers, Scribes, and Kings” link, is not working.
River Sea
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@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
For a while as I was thinking the Yadavas arrived at Isha, or modern name Israel, then later I thought Levant because I was wondering that there were no borders as land was more named by soil and so a combined area, that the Levant also covered Isha, or modern name Israel.
It was later that borders came about.
Could it be that as Yadavas verbalize Isha, Krishna's God Brahman, when finally able to have a home, within the increasing land of the Levant that we now understand the borders of Israel? And as they made their homes, they continued to verbalize and sing to Brahman, their home land a home?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
You sent the above to another member.
Tell you what, you've been quite useful in the past in discussions about events like this, so would you like to offer us your deep and thoughtful ideas? Any clues?
Questions:-
What do you think the exact route of the exodus might have been?
Presumably you would know exactly what Phase the moon was in at the time? Just past full-moon, possibly?
Who if anyone could have been familiar with the route taken across the red sea, or was it a 'reed' sea?
Is there any meteorological history from that time about prevailing winds around the red sea in those ancient times?
How long would it have taken for the Israelites to move across such a distance as red or reed sea?
If the crossing was over 'the reed sea' is there any possibility that the Israelites (being slaves) were the only people who would have known the routes? What self respecting Egyptian would have entered such a place before?
Your deep and thoughtful ideas please.
Those would have been good questions - in a different venue and, perhaps, by a curious pre-teen - but I really don't think that I can help help you. There are a couple of reasons for this:
- First, I do not believe that the books of Exodus or Numbers represent history in any way akin to how we view history today, nor do I believe them to be holy writ.
- Second, I doubt that you care enough about the text to approach it with anything beyond adolescent attempts at sarcasm.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Oh Jayhawker....! That was very rude, far too rude for you.
So you've never given any thought to this yourself, and you an ancient pensioner.
Oh well.....
That is now obvious. Many a true word has escaped the lips of children and so an 11 year old would certainly have given me a better chance, given your answer.
They didn't have to be holy writ to have a chance of having some truth in them.
Also, there are seriously strong possibilities that something like that actually did happen, and that it grew with the telling.
I reckon it happened.
I think that the 'red' sea could have been the 'reed' sea, possibly vast papyrus beds or marshes to the North/West of the Red sea.
Maybe the Israelite slaves were forced to work that whole area and knew the channels, ways and wades intimately.
Could the Egyptians have avoided the whole vast space like the plague? !! Infested with sickness?
So the slaves knew the strongest/highest tides together with the lowest....... both occurring at the same moon phases.
That those tides' times were exactly predictable.....by those who worked the marshes.
That the strongest highs and lowest lows will occur a day or two after the full and new moons.
Of many problems:-
........guesstimating the number of people who might have been involved, and any biblical reports about numbers could have been exploded by hyperbole.
Learning about prevailing winds and Storm characteristics from that time, or even in the present day might give clues.
What would be the tidal heights during the High-Spring Tides and their lowest lows.......all happening just after the Full or New moons.
Oh yes....... I reckon it happened, just as so many anecdotes and stories from the bible probably did have elements of truth.
That a very very strong South Easterly blow might cause a massive surge on top of a Spring tide is a possibility, but such things might happen in the present day, however rarely. It just a question of 'who would know?'......
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Most "peoples stories" have some truth in them.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Absolutely.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@oldbadger @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
(1) What do you think the exact route of the Exodus might have been?
I learned this route from @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
Answer:
Route of the Exodus. (1) Vadnagar to Chachran. (2) Chachran to Kabul. (2A) Short Route avoided by Hebrews. (3) Kabul to Kandahar. (4) Kandahar to Tehran via Hamun-e-Mashkel, Taftan and Isfahan. (5) Tehran to the Kangavar along the Silk Road. (6) South along the east bank of Tigris River to Al-Qurnah. (6A) Proposed travel through Baghdad not permitted by King of Edom. (7) North from Al-Qurnah along west bank of the Euphrates River. (8) West of Baghdad to Yisrael along the Silk Road.
(2) Presumably you would know exactly what Phase the moon was in at the time? Just past full moon possibly?
Answer: I'll ask the question with (2): Do full moons cause mud volcanoes to erupt?
(3) Who if anyone could have been familiar with the route taken across the red sea, or was it a 'reed' sea?
Answer: They cross a river before the volcano erupts. And the river was dry. My question is, how can a mud volcano that erupts after crossing a river cause water to rise during a drought? These people knew these areas because they were making treaties with other tribes. However, I do not know how these people would have known Israel (I'm using a modern name). Actually, I wonder how these people didn't travel to the eastern area where there was no drought; instead, they went north and then west. So I don't know this answer: how did they know the area of Israel?
(4) Is there any meteorological history from that time about prevailing winds around the red sea in those ancient times?
Answer: What type of weather causes people to need to exodus from their home land that causes a drought, then causes a mud volcano to erupt?
(5) How long would it have taken for the Israelites to move across such a distance as red or reed sea?
Answer: Not long because the river was dry due to drought.
(6) If the crossing was over 'the reed sea' is there any possibility that the Israelites (being slaves) were the only people who would have known the routes? What self respecting Egyptian would have entered such a place before?
Answer: These people weren't slaves; they left due to drought and were able to cross this dry river before the Mud volcano erupted. The Army who went after them had problems due to a mud volcano that erupted before and as they could cross the river. However, my question is: how does a mud volcano create water to rise when a river is dry due to drought?
(1) What do you think the exact route of the Exodus might have been?
I learned this route from @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
Answer:
Route of the Exodus. (1) Vadnagar to Chachran. (2) Chachran to Kabul. (2A) Short Route avoided by Hebrews. (3) Kabul to Kandahar. (4) Kandahar to Tehran via Hamun-e-Mashkel, Taftan and Isfahan. (5) Tehran to the Kangavar along the Silk Road. (6) South along the east bank of Tigris River to Al-Qurnah. (6A) Proposed travel through Baghdad not permitted by King of Edom. (7) North from Al-Qurnah along west bank of the Euphrates River. (8) West of Baghdad to Yisrael along the Silk Road.
(2) Presumably you would know exactly what Phase the moon was in at the time? Just past full moon possibly?
Answer: I'll ask the question with (2): Do full moons cause mud volcanoes to erupt?
(3) Who if anyone could have been familiar with the route taken across the red sea, or was it a 'reed' sea?
Answer: They cross a river before the volcano erupts. And the river was dry. My question is, how can a mud volcano that erupts after crossing a river cause water to rise during a drought? These people knew these areas because they were making treaties with other tribes. However, I do not know how these people would have known Israel (I'm using a modern name). Actually, I wonder how these people didn't travel to the eastern area where there was no drought; instead, they went north and then west. So I don't know this answer: how did they know the area of Israel?
(4) Is there any meteorological history from that time about prevailing winds around the red sea in those ancient times?
Answer: What type of weather causes people to need to exodus from their home land that causes a drought, then causes a mud volcano to erupt?
(5) How long would it have taken for the Israelites to move across such a distance as red or reed sea?
Answer: Not long because the river was dry due to drought.
(6) If the crossing was over 'the reed sea' is there any possibility that the Israelites (being slaves) were the only people who would have known the routes? What self respecting Egyptian would have entered such a place before?
Answer: These people weren't slaves; they left due to drought and were able to cross this dry river before the Mud volcano erupted. The Army who went after them had problems due to a mud volcano that erupted before and as they could cross the river. However, my question is: how does a mud volcano create water to rise when a river is dry due to drought?
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Have you got a map of the route,?
That would help.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@oldbadger I'll show you a map from @Bharat Jhunjhunwala's book, then show you the route colored in blue (on the same map), further down my post.
I'll show you my question below this screenshot.
My questions and difficulties.
At first I had difficulties with this map shown above in my post because I didn't see the words India. Also, that straight line from China confused me. After I realized where India is on this map, I was then able to understand the map better.
Same map I'll show you below I color blue line.
I'll draw a line with one of the routes. Yes, there's two routes towards the end closer to Israel. You can see I colored in blue the second route that @Bharat Jhunjhunwala wondered about; as you can see, I didn't color in blue 6A. the other route. So @Bharat Jhunjhunwala questions this, not sure which one, so display both. Asking were the people able to cross that area or had to go around as you can see that blue line.
Route of the Exodus. (1) Vadnagar to Chachran. (2) Chachran to Kabul. (2A) Short Route avoided by Hebrews. (3) Kabul to Kandahar. (4) Kandahar to Tehran via Hamun-e-Mashkel, Taftan and Isfahan. (5) Tehran to the Kangavar along the Silk Road. (6) South along the east bank of Tigris River to Al-Qurnah. (6A) Proposed travel through Baghdad not permitted by King of Edom. (7) North from Al-Qurnah along west bank of the Euphrates River. (8) West of Baghdad to Yisrael along the Silk Road
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Thank you very much for your trouble, River Sea.
You may indeed have a route taken in to Israel in ancient times, but the Exodus described in the bible commenced in Egypt and crossed either the gap-sea above the Red Sea or the reed sea above that, and thence in to the lands to the Northern and Eastern areas. Your route does not show any part of that journey so I am not sure that we are speaking about the same people on the same journey.
Audie
Veteran Member
Like the bible story is true except for the essenential
details, that arentt.
Weve noted that is a pattern
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I think that the exodus did happen, but definitely on a temporal basis.
I you don't then that's fine by me.
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
What do you mean by temporal basis?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
The opposite of spiritual.
There is probably a better word but I was thinking of ' by natural explanation'.
Audie
Veteran Member
Like no parting red sea and pharoahs army got drownded?
I suppose something may have happened, but you won't
know from reading bible.
So of what use is the bible, or interest the story?
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
Gotcha, yes temporal is a good word, even if it sounds like "temple".
I think the answer is more temporal-frontal lobe, and a lot less pineal gland.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Hmmmm.... I think there is an explanation for the parting of the sea and gor the drowned army.
I think the bible account is helpful.
We do read similar accounts or hear them on the telly and think nothing of them.....yes. I was watching an Olympic swimming final not long ago and the television presenter was really excited. As a Brit swimmer was finishing to win gold, the speaker shouted something like:
'It's amazing!!!..... He's in first position....absolutely flying now!!!!....'
Sure.
Audie
Veteran Member
Everything has an explanation.
I don't think theres real dragons but I
don't let that spoil the fun.
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That's actually a pretty good question. With regards to the book of Exodus, one would expect serious founders tales to be peppered with clues concerning (a) the ethnogenesis of the people involved and, perhaps, (b) the socio-political perspective(s) of the inferred author or authors. These might well be of interest to historians, sociologists, and anthropologists.
You might also note my OP titled "We have this tome written in Hebrew ..."