Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

[sojourner]

Not from a biblical stand point.

Roman 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Knowing the sun will rise is not faith as it is not in the Word of God and as you will know, the sun is visible and not unseen.

Regards
DL

The sun rising tomorrow isn't seen. Until tomorrow is here. Then, faith is transferred to the following day. Sorry. You fail.

 

[sojourner]

Faith in real people is not the same as faith in a sky daddy who you must love or burn forever in hell for not loving.

Regards
DL

I don't know where you get your bizarre definition of God, but the people I know certainly don't define God in that way. Sounds like a straw man to me. That all you got, Skeezix?

 

[Sleeppy]

Only in bizarro world. There is a difference between justified trust and faith. Try again.

Not necessarily. Faith and trust are synonymous, my friend. Don't take offense.

 

[Sleeppy]

Not from a biblical stand point.

Roman 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Knowing the sun will rise is not faith as it is not in the Word of God and as you will know, the sun is visible and not unseen.

Regards
DL

I don't necessarily agree with Hebrew's definition.. But the sun rising tomorrow, is not seen until the next day. We have faith, or trust, that the sun will rise again tomorrow-- although we have not seen tomorrow. I'm not sure why the Hebrew's definition subtracts evidence from the equation; Hebrews attempts to provide evidence for its claims more often than not. The entire reason Jesus was being called a Messiah centers around certain passages from the Tanakh.

 

[Cephus]

Not necessarily. Faith and trust are synonymous, my friend. Don't take offense.

Nope, sorry. Trust is well-placed, based on evidence. Faith is not. You can try to conflate the two, but that's just trying to get around the inherent flaws in faith.

 

[ChristineES]

Then show why the God you worship is not a false God.

You can do that with his moral position. God would always have the best morals.

Tell us, are the best morals centered on others or on the self?

Regards
DL

I don't have anything to prove to you. I am worshiping myself, not asking you to worship God. The best morals are centered on God, according to my faith: We are told to serve each other.

 

[Sleeppy]

Nope, sorry. Trust is well-placed, based on evidence. Faith is not. You can try to conflate the two, but that's just trying to get around the inherent flaws in faith.

Trust Synonyms, Trust Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

Trust, or faith, can be based on some quantity of evidence, or it may not be. No need to apologize.

 

[Riverwolf]

Thanks for this.

You have faith in who or what and based on what?
What triggered your faith in what you name.

Regards
DL

My first and foremost faith is in plurality and the truth of subjective reality(the latter of which is based on my study of languages). My polytheistic beliefs are just my natural tendency; I was more or less a polytheist as a child (and I wasn't raised in any sort of theistic household, remember), and so my faith in many Gods (though quite agnostic) is partially based on that. My animistic faith is based on my experiences when meditating, particularly the few times I've done so in nature.

But my faith in the Gods (or rather, Wights in general, not all of which are Gods) is also from my experiences. (Which count for me, but I understand don't count for humanity's collective knowledge, hence I don't assert their positive existence or try to find scientifically verifiable evidence for them; just not a concern of mine).

No one thing I can recall triggered my faith. It is what it is.

It should be noted that a major aspect of my theistic belief is quite archaic. I don't believe in Gods as explanations, but as interpretations.

The Modern English word Thunder derives from the Old English word Thunor. The word meant the same phenomenon as today, but was simultaneously the name of its associated God (whom we now call by his Anglicized Old Norse name, Thor). That is to say, Thor is not, in fact, the "God of Thunder". Thunder is Thunder. (And he hasn't been around here, lately. )

 

[Greatest I am]

You answer this yourself below...
So I am confused as to what your point was going to be with the above quoted question.


Better?
Says who?
By whose standards?
What gives them the authority over such subjective better/worse decisions?


Are you claiming they are wrong?
If so, prove it.
If not, so what?

Says who?

In the conversation I was having, ChristineES would.

That was meant to go only with that discussion.

The bible God definitely has morals inferior to most of us.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Better?
Says who?
By whose standards?
What gives them the authority over such subjective better/worse decisions?


Are you claiming they are wrong?
If so, prove it.
If not, so what?

Says who? --------------- Secular law.

Says who?------------Secular law.

What gives them the authority -------- Who. The voters.

Are you claiming they (my insert - Christians), are wrong? ----- Yes.

If so, prove it. ----- Christianity is base on human sacrifice.
Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Right, in the case of Christianity they are asking that you have enough faith to learn of what Jesus taught, at least to where you can learn enough to test what he taught.

If God showed up on your door step to teach you then you would need faith in God. Until then you have to rely on your fellow man.

I'm pretty sure God doesn't make personal appearances. Unfortunately that means a lot of trial and error when it comes to those who would teach you of God. Mostly a lot of error.

Tradition and dogma say that God is unfathomable and unknowable.

The church then lays down the reams of information they say they cannot possibly know.

You go ahead and believe those lying churches and clergy all you like. Intelligent people will not.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Hearing the word of God, testimony by your fellow man. It can inspire the required faith to seek knowledge of God.

You have to hope what others claim is true based on evidence you have not seen.

Up to you to test them at their word and determine for yourself based on the resultant evidence once seen.

No one should expect you to remain faithful to a teaching which provides no results.

Seek knowledge of a God the same book says cannot be know and is unfathomable.

Christians do not seek God. They idol worship their Godinabook and that literalism makes them adopt an immoral double moral standard that forgives God for what theists would condemn a man for doing.

Here is a good example.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

My first and foremost faith is in plurality and the truth of subjective reality(the latter of which is based on my study of languages). My polytheistic beliefs are just my natural tendency; I was more or less a polytheist as a child (and I wasn't raised in any sort of theistic household, remember), and so my faith in many Gods (though quite agnostic) is partially based on that. My animistic faith is based on my experiences when meditating, particularly the few times I've done so in nature.

But my faith in the Gods (or rather, Wights in general, not all of which are Gods) is also from my experiences. (Which count for me, but I understand don't count for humanity's collective knowledge, hence I don't assert their positive existence or try to find scientifically verifiable evidence for them; just not a concern of mine).

No one thing I can recall triggered my faith. It is what it is.

It should be noted that a major aspect of my theistic belief is quite archaic. I don't believe in Gods as explanations, but as interpretations.

The Modern English word Thunder derives from the Old English word Thunor. The word meant the same phenomenon as today, but was simultaneously the name of its associated God (whom we now call by his Anglicized Old Norse name, Thor). That is to say, Thor is not, in fact, the "God of Thunder". Thunder is Thunder. (And he hasn't been around here, lately. )

Thanks for this. I have no comment.

Regards
DL

 

[allfoak]

When one is thankful, one exercises their faith.

 

[McBell]

Says who? --------------- Secular law.

Says who?------------Secular law.

What gives them the authority -------- Who. The voters.

Are you claiming they (my insert - Christians), are wrong? ----- Yes.

If so, prove it. ----- Christianity is base on human sacrifice.
Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Regards
DL

Presenting your opinions as fact is rather dishonest.

 

[Ingledsva]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

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Made me think of this -

RELIGION (emulation of adults by the child) encysts past mythologies: guesses, hidden assumptions of trust in the universe, pronouncements made in search of personal power, all mingled with shreds of enlightenment. And always an unspoken commandment: Thou shalt not question! We break that commandment daily in the harnessing of human imagination to our deepest creativity. -Bene Gesserit Credo


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[julio.2]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

Christians and Catholic's both worship idols. They teach their children to do also.Woe

 

[julio.2]

What if that faith tells you to be open minded ? Would you say that you are being closed minded, and you should not be open minded because your faith tells you to be open minded to prove that faith is wrong? Do you think in that condition the faith is making closing your mind to ?

Religion is dead with out Faith.

 

[BilliardsBall]

A better synonym for faith in English is TRUST. Is it reasonable to trust one's friends? Lover? Spouse? Parent? Jesus Christ?

Jesus is eminently trustworthy. It is reasonable to trust Jesus and reasonable to be a Christian. Blind faith may be for other religions, but reason is for thinking Christians.

The author of this thread skipped other Luther quotes about using reason, by the way...

 

[julio.2]

A better synonym for faith in English is TRUST. Is it reasonable to trust one's friends? Lover? Spouse? Parent? Jesus Christ?

Jesus is eminently trustworthy. It is reasonable to trust Jesus and reasonable to be a Christian. Blind faith may be for other religions, but reason is for thinking Christians.

The author of this thread skipped other Luther quotes about using reason, by the way...

Faith is believing that God is. And the faithful believe that Jesus came from God.
You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord,
and apart from me there is no savior.
12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed
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Trust
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.