Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

[Greatest I am]

Presenting your opinions as fact is rather dishonest.

Only if the opinion is not fact.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

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Made me think of this -

RELIGION (emulation of adults by the child) encysts past mythologies: guesses, hidden assumptions of trust in the universe, pronouncements made in search of personal power, all mingled with shreds of enlightenment. And always an unspoken commandment: Thou shalt not question! We break that commandment daily in the harnessing of human imagination to our deepest creativity. -Bene Gesserit Credo


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Thanks for this.

Let me add.

Father complex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Father complex in psychology is a complex — a group of unconscious associations, or a strong unconscious impulses — which specifically pertains to the image or archetype of the father. These impulses may be either positive (admiring and seeking out older father figures) or negative (distrusting or fearful).
Sigmund Freud, and psychoanalysis after him, saw the father complex, and in particular ambivalent feelings for the father on the part of the male child, as an aspect of the Oedipus complex.[1] By contrast, Carl Jung took the view that both males and females could have a father complex, which in turn might be either positive or negative.[2]

Further. Following the same deep routed and instinctive desire to become the fittest.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Christians and Catholic's both worship idols. They teach their children to do also.Woe

I agree. I also have a hard time convincing the right wing literalists that that is what they are doing.

The obvious seems to go over their heads. That or as I suspect, they just do not care as they do not seek God as Jesus urges us all to do.

That is why Christianity is stagnating and shrinking.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

A better synonym for faith in English is TRUST. Is it reasonable to trust one's friends? Lover? Spouse? Parent? Jesus Christ?

Jesus is eminently trustworthy. It is reasonable to trust Jesus and reasonable to be a Christian. Blind faith may be for other religions, but reason is for thinking Christians.

The author of this thread skipped other Luther quotes about using reason, by the way...

Jesus has too many policies that are anti-love. Especially his divorce policy and that is why better than half of all Christians do not trust or follow it.

I note in your trust list above that you trust friends, lover and spouse and parents. All living beings. And then add Jesus Christ which is not Jesus' name at all. But that name thing aside.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him but I see that you have taken the line that someone else should pay your dues.

Quite manly and moral that. Not.

Do you really think someone else can pay your dues and allow you to shirk your just reward?

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

As above so below.

If you had God's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against the wisdom of Jesus and the bible?

Perhaps like being man enough to step up to your own demands for a worthy sacrifice?

That is what a good God would do.

Regards
DL

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Faith, by itself, does not close a person's mind to where they are idol worshiping.

My personal opinion, I believe that we are all idol worshipers. We label what we don't understand, define people as divine, and so have you and set our life to someone or something else other than ourselves. Anything or anyone we put higher than our own spiritual life is, in that sense, idol worshiping. It's its a bad thing; just, what it is.

So, I can see why you say it blinds people; but, in some respects I disagree. I am not Christian (by faith), but when I did become part of the Church two years ago, my eyes were opened to who God is to Christians and who Christ is and what He represented to them. I wasn't blinded by (sorry guys, no offense) Christ being an idol; because he is. He is someone outside of the believer. Jesus isn't the Christian and visa versa.

People who are born into any faith, may be blinded in that they can't see anything other than their reality. I have a friend like that. She is Roman Catholic since birth. I cannot talk about relgious things because she said anything not supporting the Church will make her doubt her faith. I have absolutely nothing against the Church; I love Her immensely.. there are just big things we disagree on.

I think that what you say is a generalization. Many peoples eyes are unblinded when they come to their faith. It may lead them to a better lifestyle while others, like myself, lead to a deconstructing one. Religion isn't meant to blind one to reality. It is reality. It's how we interpret our faith (from Abraham's testimony's to John Does) is when we think another cant see the reality as we do.

We make the mistake that our reality is the reality of all (athiest included), and that is not the case. Its like Plato's Myth of the Cave (its in my philosophy subject, thread) and the human condition that has blinded us to reality--all of us.

Anyway, faith itself opens our eyes to live a lifestyle that if life was in total darkness, we don't need to keep prodding to see whats in front of us before we make a step. It takes us away from the life of caution into a life of security in whatever faith a person takes up.

So I believe it does the opposite.
Carlita

 

[Greatest I am]

Faith, by itself, does not close a person's mind to where they are idol worshiping.

My personal opinion, I believe that we are all idol worshipers. We label what we don't understand, define people as divine, and so have you and set our life to someone or something else other than ourselves. Anything or anyone we put higher than our own spiritual life is, in that sense, idol worshiping. It's its a bad thing; just, what it is.

So, I can see why you say it blinds people; but, in some respects I disagree. I am not Christian (by faith), but when I did become part of the Church two years ago, my eyes were opened to who God is to Christians and who Christ is and what He represented to them. I wasn't blinded by (sorry guys, no offense) Christ being an idol; because he is. He is someone outside of the believer. Jesus isn't the Christian and visa versa.

People who are born into any faith, may be blinded in that they can't see anything other than their reality. I have a friend like that. She is Roman Catholic since birth. I cannot talk about relgious things because she said anything not supporting the Church will make her doubt her faith. I have absolutely nothing against the Church; I love Her immensely.. there are just big things we disagree on.

I think that what you say is a generalization. Many peoples eyes are unblinded when they come to their faith. It may lead them to a better lifestyle while others, like myself, lead to a deconstructing one. Religion isn't meant to blind one to reality. It is reality. It's how we interpret our faith (from Abraham's testimony's to John Does) is when we think another cant see the reality as we do.

We make the mistake that our reality is the reality of all (athiest included), and that is not the case. Its like Plato's Myth of the Cave (its in my philosophy subject, thread) and the human condition that has blinded us to reality--all of us.

Anyway, faith itself opens our eyes to live a lifestyle that if life was in total darkness, we don't need to keep prodding to see whats in front of us before we make a step. It takes us away from the life of caution into a life of security in whatever faith a person takes up.

So I believe it does the opposite.
Carlita

Why on earth would you join such an immoral religion?

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him but I see that you have taken the line that someone else should pay your dues.

Quite manly and moral that. Not.

Do you really think someone else can pay your dues and allow you to shirk your just reward?

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

As above so below.

If you had God's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against the wisdom of Jesus and the bible?

Perhaps like being man enough to step up to your own demands for a worthy sacrifice?

That is what a good God would do.

Regards
DL

 

[julio.2]

I agree. I also have a hard time convincing the right wing literalists that that is what they are doing.

The obvious seems to go over their heads. That or as I suspect, they just do not care as they do not seek God as Jesus urges us all to do.

That is why Christianity is stagnating and shrinking.

Regards
DL

When God announces in Isaiah the creation of Jesus he knew they would make graven images of him and worship him.
* My Bible was struck by a light and I was with Angels, after praying about what my teachers were trying to convince me of, the Trinity that is. After that I read and studied and marked my Bible as the Spirit directed me. This was in 1980 and was never far from my mind. This below is what I've started and soon will finish.
Isaiah
34:16
16 Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
1:13
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
4:2
2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
9:14-16
14 Therefore the Lord will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.
15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.
11:2
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
11:10
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
12:2
2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
19:20
20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
26:4
4 Trust ye in the Lord for ever: for in the Lord Jehovah is everlasting strength:
28:16
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
30:8
8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
30:22
22 Ye shall defile also the covering of thy graven images of silver, and the ornament of thy molten images of gold: thou shalt cast them away as a menstruous cloth; thou shalt say unto it, Get thee hence.
40:9
9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!
40:28
28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
41:4
4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he.
41:8
8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
41:10
10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
41:20
20 That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the Lord hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.
41:21
21 Produce your cause, saith the Lord; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
41:26 + 28
26 Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
27 The first shall say to Zion, Behold, behold them: and I will give to Jerusalem one that bringeth good tidings.
28 For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.
42:1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.
13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.
17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?
43
2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
4 Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.
5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;
6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
14 Thus saith the Lord, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.
15 I am the Lord, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King
18 Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old.
19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
21 This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.
25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
26 Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.

 

[Nakosis]

Tradition and dogma say that God is unfathomable and unknowable.

The church then lays down the reams of information they say they cannot possibly know.

Yes, I don't know why people make up stuff and call it knowledge. Don't know why others accept it without question. Certainly not what anyone should be doing.

You go ahead and believe those lying churches and clergy all you like. Intelligent people will not.

Regards
DL

Which you only know by listening and testing what they claim. No one should be asking you to be a idiot, however one can't remain ignorant and think themselves knowledgeable. Well I suppose they can but I wouldn't recommend it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Quote: Why on earth would you join such an immoral religion?
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Lol, you made good points.

I always wanted to be a nun when I was young. I wanted to study the Bible even though my intermediate family is not religious at all. I wanted to be a priest later to guide people to their individual faiths regardless of what that may be.

I have a Roman Catholic friend I've known almost 20 years and have been going to Church with her. I finally made the jump (because of the above) and realized what Christianity means compared to what people say it is (from the negative side) and what I agree and disagree with.

I don't go anymore; but, I do miss it. Christianity just means in order to live you must die. Taking away the "God comes down to punish us to the golden roads in heaven" and taking away "Jesus rose from the dead in flesh and in spirit to Adam and Eve being fooled by a snake", it just means we need to

1. Be cautious of our actions because they can have good and bad (punishing) consequences.

2. When we die after living a well meaning spiritual life, then the "golden gates" are an analogy of what a person wants to see when he has a smile on his faith before he passes away.

3. Last, we all have a temptation to do things contrary to our faith. History talks about animals being the tempters of some sort or spirits or so have you. So, of course there are stories that relate to our desires to do something we are not supposed to do.

I also learned that you die IN Christ rather than looking to God for His Son to die "For you". Paul says "I have been crucified In Christ so the life I no longer live is not for myself but for the son of God" Galations 2:20

In other words, just as Jesus died for His faith for His Father so He can live a devoted life so must we die to our desires to live a holy life in union with the Father.

The only immoral thing I see in the Christian faith is the bloody history. While before, Christians used to kill people for not believing what they believe now we, in chat rooms, ignore people, mute, or ban because they disagree with our line of thinking.

It's a "my say or the high way" religion. In the Catholic Church, you cant even receive Jesus without being Catholic. So, the Church is saying you are not Christian unless you are part of the Church. That's a huge slap to a Christians face.

It's immoral because Christians (and believers in God from Adam and Eve to the apostles to christians today) make it so; the belief, itself, is not immoral.

As long as you know you have a relationship with the Holy Spirit, Mystic Law, Universe, however you want to call it or him/her, your perspective of others view of your religion wont change how you feel about it yourself.

I think the people make it immoral, not the faith itself.

 

[Greatest I am]

When God announces in Isaiah the creation of Jesus he knew they would make graven images of him and worship him.

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Sniped for brevity.

I agree and say that all who fly a cross are idol worshipers as the do not seek God and think they have one.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Yes, I don't know why people make up stuff and call it knowledge. Don't know why others accept it without question. Certainly not what anyone should be doing.



Which you only know by listening and testing what they claim. No one should be asking you to be a idiot, however one can't remain ignorant and think themselves knowledgeable. Well I suppose they can but I wouldn't recommend it.

Neither would I as -----“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.” Jonathan Swift

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I think the people make it immoral, not the faith itself.

Snip

Quote: Why on earth would you join such an immoral religion?
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Lol, you made good points.

I always wanted to be a nun when I was young. I wanted to study the Bible even though my intermediate family is not religious at all. I wanted to be a priest later to guide people to their individual faiths regardless of what that may be.

I have a Roman Catholic friend I've known almost 20 years and have been going to Church with her. I finally made the jump (because of the above) and realized what Christianity means compared to what people say it is (from the negative side) and what I agree and disagree with.

I don't go anymore; but, I do miss it. Christianity just means in order to live you must die. Taking away the "God comes down to punish us to the golden roads in heaven" and taking away "Jesus rose from the dead in flesh and in spirit to Adam and Eve being fooled by a snake", it just means we need to

1. Be cautious of our actions because they can have good and bad (punishing) consequences.

2. When we die after living a well meaning spiritual life, then the "golden gates" are an analogy of what a person wants to see when he has a smile on his faith before he passes away.

3. Last, we all have a temptation to do things contrary to our faith. History talks about animals being the tempters of some sort or spirits or so have you. So, of course there are stories that relate to our desires to do something we are not supposed to do.

I also learned that you die IN Christ rather than looking to God for His Son to die "For you". Paul says "I have been crucified In Christ so the life I no longer live is not for myself but for the son of God" Galations 2:20

In other words, just as Jesus died for His faith for His Father so He can live a devoted life so must we die to our desires to live a holy life in union with the Father.

The only immoral thing I see in the Christian faith is the bloody history. While before, Christians used to kill people for not believing what they believe now we, in chat rooms, ignore people, mute, or ban because they disagree with our line of thinking.

It's a "my say or the high way" religion. In the Catholic Church, you cant even receive Jesus without being Catholic. So, the Church is saying you are not Christian unless you are part of the Church. That's a huge slap to a Christians face.

It's immoral because Christians (and believers in God from Adam and Eve to the apostles to christians today) make it so; the belief, itself, is not immoral.

As long as you know you have a relationship with the Holy Spirit, Mystic Law, Universe, however you want to call it or him/her, your perspective of others view of your religion wont change how you feel about it yourself.

I think the people make it immoral, not the faith itself.

Nice that you have shed yourself of Christianity.

I do not agree with this part.

"I think the people make it immoral, not the faith itself."

Christian faith begins and ends with Jesus and his human sacrifice that demands the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty.

If you think that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you or I have done, --- so that you or I might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

I would be happy to hear your argument to refute mine and prove that Christianity is not an immoral faith.

Regards
DL

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You're welcome

It's more, though, that Jesus chose to sacrifice his life (like people go into war and sacrifice their lives for their country) for the intention of saving others. So it wasn't a murder (I thought that before) , but more of the highest devotion there is to give your life to someone else. That is the core of Christianity... die for others. That part is scripture.

The people part (which I believe is immoral; so we agree) is because Jesus choice to sacrifice himself for us we should have a motivation to take him up on his offer. When a Christian dies In Christ they are saying, hey, I cant die by myself you got to do it for me. I don't care for that line of thinking. However, it isn't immoral because we, in a general sense, need or want support if we are hurting. We go to the hospital when we are sick, and so forth. So why not go to Jesus if we are spiritually ill? I felt uncomfortable using Jesus to relieve something I chose to do against my faith (when it was Christian), so I stopped going to Church. I feel if you have a relationship with Christ, you do not because he died for you (so you can use him to save yourself), but you get to know him as a person not as a savior. If that makes sense.

So we agree to an extent. Though, I understand why Christianity is set up the way it is. I just think its immoral the way different Christians present their beliefs on others.

Take care



Nice that you have shed yourself of Christianity.

I do not agree with this part.

"I think the people make it immoral, not the faith itself."

Christian faith begins and ends with Jesus and his human sacrifice that demands the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty.

If you think that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you or I have done, --- so that you or I might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

I would be happy to hear your argument to refute mine and prove that Christianity is not an immoral faith.

Regards
DL[/QUOTE]

 

[Greatest I am]

Thanks for that.

I will not argue against you as we are morally close.

Let me just gab away a bit.

"It's more, though, that Jesus chose to sacrifice his life"

Jesus said, in this myth of course, my father who sent me. He also says, I do my fathers will and not my own.

You are correct in that dying for your friends is a highly selfless act.

In the case of Jesus.

First, he did not stay dead so we cannot praise him for dying.

Secondly, as a part of the Trinity, he condemned us in the first p0lace and for him to go through the sham of dying to appease his own wrath is too ridiculous to contemplate.

Regards
DL

 

[Cephus]

At best, Jesus had a bad weekend for your sins. That's really not that admirable.

 

[paarsurrey]

Faith closes the mind

No.The truthful religion opens minds and hearts of the humans by convincing one with reasonable and rational arguments. The first chapter of Quran is named Fatiha or the one that opens all the human faculties:

It provides healing for the ailments of mind and spirit. It has,
besides, a vast provision for the development of the faculties
of perception and reflection. It opens up vistas of sublime
thought which had been closed to sages and philosophers. Its
perusal fortifies faith in the heart of the spiritual pilgrim and
heals it of all doubts, misgivings and apprehension.

Sir Zafrullah Khan
https://www.alislam.org/quran/Commentary-on-Surah-Fatiha.pdf

Regards

 

[Greatest I am]

At best, Jesus had a bad weekend for your sins. That's really not that admirable.

Agreed.

A God losing a bit of flesh is like you or I cutting our nails.

And Christians make a big deal of it.

That is the church using fear against children. Not moral but then churches have never been known for right moral action.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Faith closes the mind

No.The truthful religion opens minds and hearts of the humans by convincing one with reasonable and rational arguments. The first chapter of Quran is named Fatiha or the one that opens all the human faculties:

It provides healing for the ailments of mind and spirit. It has,
besides, a vast provision for the development of the faculties
of perception and reflection. It opens up vistas of sublime
thought which had been closed to sages and philosophers. Its
perusal fortifies faith in the heart of the spiritual pilgrim and
heals it of all doubts, misgivings and apprehension.

Sir Zafrullah Khan
https://www.alislam.org/quran/Commentary-on-Surah-Fatiha.pdf

Regards

"It provides healing for the ailments of mind and spirit."

Why has it not healed the misogyny that plagues Islam?

Why has it not stopped Muslims from killing Muslims?

Regards
DL

 

[Cephus]

Agreed.

A God losing a bit of flesh is like you or I cutting our nails.

And Christians make a big deal of it.

It gets worse when you realize that God set up the system, God created the people knowing full well that they'd sin, so he set up a scenario where he knew that he'd need to have Jesus killed to forgive people for something that God created in the first place.

And Christians think this is something to be proud of?

 

[allfoak]

It gets worse when you realize that God set up the system, God created the people knowing full well that they'd sin, so he set up a scenario where he knew that he'd need to have Jesus killed to forgive people for something that God created in the first place.

And Christians think this is something to be proud of?

It's called brainwashing.
Have you ever been a Christian?