Fake Covid Vaccination Cards Are on the Rise

[We Never Know]

Of interest in the article you linked...
Mask mandates.

Jurisdictions might consider expanded prevention strategies, including universal masking in indoor public settings, particularly for large public gatherings that include travelers from many areas with differing levels of SARS-CoV-2 transmission.

The Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 is highly transmissible (1); vaccination is the most important strategy to prevent severe illness and death. On July 27, CDC recommended that all persons, including those who are fully vaccinated, should wear masks in indoor public settings in areas where COVID-19 transmission is high or substantial.* Findings from this investigation suggest that even jurisdictions without substantial or high COVID-19 transmission might consider expanding prevention strategies, including masking in indoor public settings regardless of vaccination status, given the potential risk of infection during attendance at large public gatherings that include travelers from many areas with differing levels of transmission.​

Sadly some vaccinated think they can't catch or spread it. They have the I'm bullet proof mentality since they are vaccinated.

 

[Polymath257]

This is kinda off topic, but is there something all people who caught COVID (vaccinated breakthrough symptoms and unvaccinated infected) that doesn't relate to their vaccinations status?

Other than being in contact with someone who carried the virus? I doubt it.

Of course unvaccinated people are more acceptable to the virus-we have always been, so that isn't new information and shouldn't be used as a guilt-trip. I wonder if there is something both parties have in common that made them caught COVID and died from it compared to those who have no unvaccinated and not.

There has been speculation that type A blood makes it more likely to die of this disease. The problem is that the increase is pretty small. I was told by my allergist that being asthmatic is slightly *protective* because the cells the virus invades aren't as prevalent. This is old information though, and I have not seen a followup.

And it is possible we won't ever know. For most diseases, we simply don't know why some die and others manage to survive. All we have are the odds.

 

[We Never Know]

Other than being in contact with someone who carried the virus? I doubt it.



There has been speculation that type A blood makes it more likely to die of this disease. The problem is that the increase is pretty small. I was told by my allergist that being asthmatic is slightly *protective* because the cells the virus invades aren't as prevalent. This is old information though, and I have not seen a followup.

And it is possible we won't ever know. For most diseases, we simply don't know why some die and others manage to survive. All we have are the odds.

The CDC says people with moderate-to-severe or uncontrolled asthma are more likely to be hospitalized from COVID-19.

 

[Polymath257]

The CDC says people with moderate-to-severe or uncontrolled asthma are more likely to be hospitalized from COVID-19.

I'm not surprised. Like I said, the other info was old and I didn't see a followup.

My asthma is controlled, but severe. I've not had to go to the ER in a long time, and I hope to keep it that way.

 

[We Never Know]

I'm not surprised. Like I said, the other info was old and I didn't see a followup.

My asthma is controlled, but severe. I've not had to go to the ER in a long time, and I hope to keep it that way.

Good deal. I hope it stays that way for you as well.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not surprised. Like I said, the other info was old and I didn't see a followup.

My asthma is controlled, but severe. I've not had to go to the ER in a long time, and I hope to keep it that way.

Are you willing to risk the side effects of vaccination against Covid?
Sure, sure...asthma might kill you. But I had 4 hours of chills after
my 2nd Moderna shot. But you're a smart guy...I'll respect your choice.

 

[We Never Know]

Are you willing to risk the side effects of vaccination against Covid?
Sure, sure...asthma might kill you. But I had 4 hours of chills after
my 2nd Moderna shot. But you're a smart guy...I'll respect your choice.

Not to mention the long term effects from covid.



The road to addressing Long Covid | Science

 

[Polymath257]

Are you willing to risk the side effects of vaccination against Covid?
Sure, sure...asthma might kill you. But I had 4 hours of chills after
my 2nd Moderna shot. But you're a smart guy...I'll respect your choice.

I was slightly achy after my first Pfizer shot. No issues at all after my second.

I almost died 3 times from asthma before I was 15. But the medications are *much* better now than they were then. Those evil pharmaceutical companies have made my life much better.

 

[Kenny]

Who & how many of those?

how many have recovered from Covid?

 

[Revoltingest]

how many have recovered from Covid?

16306656
Ref...
United States Coronavirus COVID-19 Recovered | August 2021 Data

 

[Polymath257]

how many have recovered from Covid?

In the USA? Just over 35.2 million as of today. There have been 35.8 million cases and 614 thousand deaths. That gives a per-case mortality rate of 1.7%.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the USA? Just over 35.2 million as of today. There have been 35.8 million cases and 614 thousand deaths. That gives a per-case mortality rate of 1.7%.

Not all survivors have recovered though.
The long haulers.

 

[Polymath257]

Not all survivors have recovered though.
The long haulers.

Good point. Any data for the long haul percentages by case?

 

[Revoltingest]

Good point. Any data for the long haul percentages by case?

Studies show long-haul COVID-19 afflicts 1 in 4 COVID-19 patients, regardless of severity

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Okay. Do the math for me.
COVID Live Update: 204,096,177 Cases and 4,315,463 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

There are 333,146,077 of population in US reported as of 2 days ago.
There are 633,798 total deaths
The difference being 332,512,279 of population

What is the percentage of number of deaths out of the number of population?

I know the numbers look big in this case but if comparing it from the population total how "big" are the number of deaths? Are we being wrapped up in the numbers we see without assessing how they relative to the general population?

 

[We Never Know]

Okay. Do the math for me.
COVID Live Update: 204,096,177 Cases and 4,315,463 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

There are 333,146,077 of population in US reported as of 2 days ago.
There are 633,798 total deaths
The difference being 332,512,279 of population

What is the percentage of number of deaths out of the number of population?

I know the numbers look big in this case but if comparing it from the population total how "big" are the number of deaths? Are we being wrapped up in the numbers we see without assessing how they relate to the general population?

But XX numbers off the population hasn't gotten sick from it.

In my opinion to get an accurate number you need to use the numbers of deaths ÷ by the numbers of cases.

633,796÷36,778,369=0.0172 or 1.7%(those are US numbers)


COVID Live Update: 204,097,228 Cases and 4,315,464 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

 

[Polymath257]

Okay. Do the math for me.
COVID Live Update: 204,096,177 Cases and 4,315,463 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

There are 333,146,077 of population in US reported as of 2 days ago.
There are 633,798 total deaths
The difference being 332,512,279 of population

What is the percentage of number of deaths out of the number of population?

Why in the world would you be looking at that number? We *know* more people will get infected. So this is not a static number. It will continue to grow. Guaranteed. It is simply not a number that is relevant for evaluating an epidemic in process.

OK, it's about .2%. In other words, about 1 in every 500 people.

But, much more relevant are the R0 number (how many new people are infected for each infection) and the number of deaths among those infected.

I know the numbers look big in this case but if comparing it from the population total how "big" are the number of deaths? Are we being wrapped up in the numbers we see without assessing how they relative to the general population?

Because the numbers in the general population is going to grow no matter what. It isn't a static thing. That makes it a poor predictor of how bad the disease is or will be.

The real question is how many people are expected to get the disease, how many will die from it, and how many will have long-term consequences from it. If we don't get this stopped, it will continue to be a problem for a long time (essentially until most people not resistant have had it). Considering we have had about 10% that have had it so far and only 50% vaccination rate, we have many more people still susceptible than have had it as yet.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why in the world would you be looking at that number? We *know* more people will get infected. So this is not a static number. It will continue to grow. Guaranteed. It is simply not a number that is relevant for evaluating an epidemic in process.

I was looking at it as of today (or said posted 2 days ago). I don't know if they have an estimate percentage of who will be infected so I didn't take that into consideration.

OK, it's about .2%. In other words, about 1 in every 500 people.

But, much more relevant are the R0 number (how many new people are infected for each infection) and the number of deaths among those infected.

The number of new people effected over the number of deaths?

That wouldn't tell me how many people are ideally not sick compared to those who are (say counting cases, diagnosed, and deaths). I don't know in the future if the number of deaths will be more than the general US population.

Because the numbers in the general population is going to grow no matter what. It isn't a static thing. That makes it a poor predictor of how bad the disease is or will be.

The real question is how many people are expected to get the disease, how many will die from it, and how many will have long-term consequences from it. If we don't get this stopped, it will continue to be a problem for a long time (essentially until most people not resistant have had it). Considering we have had about 10% that have had it so far and only 50% vaccination rate, we have many more people still susceptible than have had it as yet.

I was just going by the website numbers. Seems like number of COVID deaths are climbing just as the population. I was interested in the difference as to compare the severity of the COVID in relation to deaths and population.

I don't know. I'd have to think about it more since that's not the point I had in mind.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

But XX numbers off the population hasn't gotten sick from it.

In my opinion to get an accurate number you need to use the numbers of deaths ÷ by the numbers of cases.

633,796÷36,778,369=0.0172 or 1.7%(those are US numbers)


COVID Live Update: 204,097,228 Cases and 4,315,464 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

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Why the number of cases? There are a good amount of people who aren't sick and not a case like myself. I was wondering how close the majority of people who don't have COVID and not reported asymptomatic is in relation to the deaths of those who they say died from it.

 

[We Never Know]

Why the number of cases? There are a good amount of people who aren't sick and not a case like myself. I was wondering how close the majority of people who don't have COVID and not reported asymptomatic is in relation to the deaths of those who they say died from it.

Only reported cases vs reported deaths is what I use. If a person hasn't had it, or had it but was not reported, etc, they don't fit into either.